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It will be very interesting to see how short they will get this year, every summer it was always "this summer it will fall apart" but somehow they managed. Allowing no leave and getting mugs in to work days off I suppose! The problem now is there is so many job opportunitys around. I hear through the grapevine that 30 or so captains and the same amount of FOs in STN alone have other things confirmed - Jet2/Easy/China/NLH and a lot of FOs still sitting in the BA hold pool. Interesting times! Will that improve the Ts n Cs........of course not!!!! They are too stubborn for that!
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Will that improve the Ts n Cs..
How can RYR improve the T's & C's when the vast majority of pilots are self-amployed working for rates via agencies? Perhaps if the self-employed (like my plumber) invoice for what they deem to be suitable rates.
How can RYR improve the T's & C's when the vast majority of pilots are self-amployed working for rates via agencies? Perhaps if the self-employed (like my plumber) invoice for what they deem to be suitable rates.
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I failed the assessment at Ryanair last year, I get a call now from a recruiter saying they're giving us a second chance if we're interested. ....mmmmm let me think about this......yawn......
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Yes, because you learned only now that Ryanair is bad, last year everybody thought that it was the best airline in the world, that's why you applied 
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I started 2007 in FR and left 2012 and every summer was the usual they will have to ground planes. They all seemed to keep flying.
Don't forsea any changes on the horizon while ever the sausage factory is in full swing. The LTC's could have the company by the balls if they all just downed tools for a 5 day roster period and then negotiate to come back. But not many people are willing to risk losing a mortgage payment so it won't happen.
As many have said it could be the best airline to work for with just a little change. But they prefer the iron distance approach.
Can't remember what they turned as a profit last year but circa a billion? What's the goal? I'd rather have £800million and the happiest work force on the planet. Could probably fire half the legal team then to save some money.
Don't forsea any changes on the horizon while ever the sausage factory is in full swing. The LTC's could have the company by the balls if they all just downed tools for a 5 day roster period and then negotiate to come back. But not many people are willing to risk losing a mortgage payment so it won't happen.
As many have said it could be the best airline to work for with just a little change. But they prefer the iron distance approach.
Can't remember what they turned as a profit last year but circa a billion? What's the goal? I'd rather have £800million and the happiest work force on the planet. Could probably fire half the legal team then to save some money.
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Actually, none. I've been in RYR for over 2 years now, and quite happy. It's all individual. There are far worse airline jobs than this, and there is ALWAYS be something to moan about, in every airline. You just have to be the type.
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"Keep good TREs, SFIs in the company, it is very sad to go Stansted and see some TREs with not common sense at all, evaluating Command Assestment function only of your SOPs knowledge. The y don't care how do you fly, handling skills... SOPs adherence is the most important thing here, so lots of Senior FOs after 2 years joining the company or even less decide to go out."
You're still not quite getting it, are you Samca old son ?
If you want a command in RYR, you have to know and follow the SOP's. At least until you've done your command check. They are there for a reason. Over thirty different nationalities, and levels of experience between 200 and 20,000 hours plus. It's a safety thing.
You might be able to ace a raw data limiting crosswind approach in the sim, but if you don't follow, or know the SOP's you'll continue to get crap marks, and your sought after command course will disappear over the horizon. You'll be left gazing wistfully at it, still in the RHS.
The system isn't flawed, hombre, take a look in the mirror.
You're still not quite getting it, are you Samca old son ?
If you want a command in RYR, you have to know and follow the SOP's. At least until you've done your command check. They are there for a reason. Over thirty different nationalities, and levels of experience between 200 and 20,000 hours plus. It's a safety thing.
You might be able to ace a raw data limiting crosswind approach in the sim, but if you don't follow, or know the SOP's you'll continue to get crap marks, and your sought after command course will disappear over the horizon. You'll be left gazing wistfully at it, still in the RHS.
The system isn't flawed, hombre, take a look in the mirror.
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I follow the SOPs and I know the SOPs... that's not the reason why I'm not in the LHS yet...
yes SID PLATE the system is working, bravo... I still flying RHS after two years in the company. For me it was enough time 6 months flying to follow the SOPs like a bot, SOPs here are difficult to learn BUT not impossible and as I said it could be hard at the beginning but after a few months you are just one pilot more.
What you seems to be out of game "son", is your completely lack of common sense. To STOP some guys in his path to the Command because he forgot to put PROG page 4 in final when you as TRE are repositioning the SIM continuously for performing different exercises, this is just an example... That is what you are looking for when you tick the box than a pilot is ready for his Command?
Anyway and as I told you in other posts, I don't care because I'm going to be Captain in this company or in other, it's doesn't matter but you are still going to be a bad person, bad trainer with no common sense but of course an excellent knowledge of your SOPS.
Enjoy,
yes SID PLATE the system is working, bravo... I still flying RHS after two years in the company. For me it was enough time 6 months flying to follow the SOPs like a bot, SOPs here are difficult to learn BUT not impossible and as I said it could be hard at the beginning but after a few months you are just one pilot more.
What you seems to be out of game "son", is your completely lack of common sense. To STOP some guys in his path to the Command because he forgot to put PROG page 4 in final when you as TRE are repositioning the SIM continuously for performing different exercises, this is just an example... That is what you are looking for when you tick the box than a pilot is ready for his Command?
Anyway and as I told you in other posts, I don't care because I'm going to be Captain in this company or in other, it's doesn't matter but you are still going to be a bad person, bad trainer with no common sense but of course an excellent knowledge of your SOPS.
Enjoy,
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You are stubborn, samca. That's not a good qualifying characteristic. A Captain needs to know how to listen to arguments opposing his gut feeling. There is a very good technical reason for it.
A pilot is ready only once he grows beyond his "I am ready and entitled" period.
A pilot is ready only once he grows beyond his "I am ready and entitled" period.
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One more month , and Dublin pulled it off again!
I have had my money on RYR not having enough crew for the main summer season. ( June July August) For a few years now.
I was wrong.
But the next year and a half should get interesting.
Again I am going to bet there will be problems if conditions do not change.
To many TRE, Linetrainers and Captains leaving.
I think if the stock owners understood how critical the situation is about to become , we would see some changes soon.
Who knows, one day they give us free water and coffee, and Samca as LineTrainer?
Oh Dear, I should be careful what I wish for !
Ok: Coffee is on me!
I was wrong.
But the next year and a half should get interesting.
Again I am going to bet there will be problems if conditions do not change.
To many TRE, Linetrainers and Captains leaving.
I think if the stock owners understood how critical the situation is about to become , we would see some changes soon.
Who knows, one day they give us free water and coffee, and Samca as LineTrainer?
Oh Dear, I should be careful what I wish for !
Ok: Coffee is on me!
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If so many TRE and LTC are leaving most certainly there will be problems with recurrent training and new pilots getting delayed on the release to line operation with others sitting at home waiting. That will lead to disruptions in flight operations. Ryanair for sure must have a plan to cope with that since, apparently, they seems not be interested in adjusting T & C.
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I think this is one of those where too many are leaving but there is still growth so it's hidden from view sort of. Still more pilots overall than last year but not enough perhaps. Still growth... Planes still flying. People visit new places. Pilots still apply. Money to training department. Pprune free advertisement - Great training department. So if all would stay and be happy it would be more growth more money more flights, shareholders don't get regular dividends anyway.
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If you listen to any of MOLs meetings with shareholders, they are on YouTube, he often talks about how his pilots are paid €150k/yr and they only work 17 hours a week. Obviously no pilot in Ryanair earns anywhere near that sort of money apart from maybe some training captains. The problem with FR is that the exceutives like to think their pilots are laughing all the way to the bank, when it's actually the other way around.
It's philosophical really. FR has no interest in doing deals or competing with anyone. They just want to get the upper hand in every single area of their business and completely dominate and control every aspect that could have a negative effect on their bottom line.
I listened to the new CFO talking to some business news outlet and he threw around phrases like 'kill other airlines'; whatever happened to healthy competition...
This is the reason that T&Cs will never change at FR; because it would mean that the company would have to give concessions and that will never happen! Compromises and concessions do not exist in the world of Ryanair.
It's philosophical really. FR has no interest in doing deals or competing with anyone. They just want to get the upper hand in every single area of their business and completely dominate and control every aspect that could have a negative effect on their bottom line.
I listened to the new CFO talking to some business news outlet and he threw around phrases like 'kill other airlines'; whatever happened to healthy competition...
This is the reason that T&Cs will never change at FR; because it would mean that the company would have to give concessions and that will never happen! Compromises and concessions do not exist in the world of Ryanair.
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The "authentic soul" (?) of most RYR trainers is that they want trainees to succeed. If a trainee doesn't make the grade after the usual number of sectors, and if that trainee has potential, they will be given extra training to bring them up to standard.
The command course failure rate is low. Guys generally fail not because they can't handle the aeroplane, or because they don't know, or follow, the SOP's, but because they can't manage the flight.
The training department won't put you on a command course for a number of reasons. It's nothing to do with a conflict of personality between you and your Base Captain, or between you and the training department. It's more to do with if they think you have a chance of passing the course. If they don't, they will give you more time to work on your operation, or your attitude. A command course, even in Ryanair, is not an automatic right even for someone who's been in the RHS for 'two years'.
RYR's SOP's aren't difficult. You might argue that some are unnecessary, (I would..) and some are marginally stupid. They won't, however, kill you. If the company which pays you wants you to operate in a certain way, then why not just do it ?
You claim to know, and follow the SOP's. Half your battle is won then. You might want to address the other half and ask yourself if your attitude might be the problem? If so, consider doing something about it.
Good Luck.
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pilots are paid €150k/yr and they only work 17 hours a week.
Just my 2 cents...