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From: six micro tesla zone
As soon as I heard it, I knew it was total rubbish. By the time time you add up all the duty hours on the ground and in the sim, it probably averages out at a normal 45 hour week; although they don't consider ground hours as work. 
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As for €150k, do you really think it would be an average? Surely no pilot earns more than €150k gross, bar chief pilot maybe, at Ryanair so I'm not sure it could average out at that.
:As for €150k, do you really think it would be an average? Surely no pilot earns more than €150k gross, bar chief pilot maybe, at Ryanair so I'm not sure it could average out at that.
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Worldwide
Last post from me on this ..
The "authentic soul" (?) of most RYR trainers is that they want trainees to succeed. If a trainee doesn't make the grade after the usual number of sectors, and if that trainee has potential, they will be given extra training to bring them up to standard.
The command course failure rate is low. Guys generally fail not because they can't handle the aeroplane, or because they don't know, or follow, the SOP's, but because they can't manage the flight.
The training department won't put you on a command course for a number of reasons. It's nothing to do with a conflict of personality between you and your Base Captain, or between you and the training department. It's more to do with if they think you have a chance of passing the course. If they don't, they will give you more time to work on your operation, or your attitude. A command course, even in Ryanair, is not an automatic right even for someone who's been in the RHS for 'two years'.
RYR's SOP's aren't difficult. You might argue that some are unnecessary, (I would..) and some are marginally stupid. They won't, however, kill you. If the company which pays you wants you to operate in a certain way, then why not just do it ?
You claim to know, and follow the SOP's. Half your battle is won then. You might want to address the other half and ask yourself if your attitude might be the problem? If so, consider doing something about it.
Good Luck.
The "authentic soul" (?) of most RYR trainers is that they want trainees to succeed. If a trainee doesn't make the grade after the usual number of sectors, and if that trainee has potential, they will be given extra training to bring them up to standard.
The command course failure rate is low. Guys generally fail not because they can't handle the aeroplane, or because they don't know, or follow, the SOP's, but because they can't manage the flight.
The training department won't put you on a command course for a number of reasons. It's nothing to do with a conflict of personality between you and your Base Captain, or between you and the training department. It's more to do with if they think you have a chance of passing the course. If they don't, they will give you more time to work on your operation, or your attitude. A command course, even in Ryanair, is not an automatic right even for someone who's been in the RHS for 'two years'.
RYR's SOP's aren't difficult. You might argue that some are unnecessary, (I would..) and some are marginally stupid. They won't, however, kill you. If the company which pays you wants you to operate in a certain way, then why not just do it ?
You claim to know, and follow the SOP's. Half your battle is won then. You might want to address the other half and ask yourself if your attitude might be the problem? If so, consider doing something about it.
Good Luck.
Anyway guys, I agree that SOP´s are for something and can save your life... and I repeat it is not the problem here...
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From: ...............
Captains are where any shortage maybe. As long as they can make it to September it will mean the hopes and dreams that T & C's will improve for staff are over for another year !. They previously ran NTR courses but from what I recall there was a healthy bond for 3 years attached.
Joined: Oct 2014
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From: Outta town
Its not the low time pilots , but possibly the very experienced returning expats that are keeping salaries low. DEC at J2, EZ, NLH is popular for the cashed up 50 somethings Ex. EK & QR brigade. Or occasionally, from Asia.
If you have a 1 million quid house paid for, kids left Uni and a place on the Costa, then its just pocket money from your work. Pilot shortage? No 'ere in the UK, look east sir.
If you have a 1 million quid house paid for, kids left Uni and a place on the Costa, then its just pocket money from your work. Pilot shortage? No 'ere in the UK, look east sir.
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: Earth
Recently a very experienced TRI/TRE from my present lot resigned to join Ryanair as NTR DEC on the same base where he was on the previous airline but with a gross pay reduction of €20k. When asked why he simply said that FR as a better lifestyle and job security. Who knows.
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From: Between a rock and a hard place
If you're a contractor they can, and often will, have you operating "out of base". At times you could see rosters which had you more out of base in a month than at home base.
If you're on a Ryanair contract you are safer. However, ask what happened to the pilots in Marseille, Girona, Copenhagen, Billund or Oslo when the base closed (or downsized).
If you're on a Ryanair contract you are safer. However, ask what happened to the pilots in Marseille, Girona, Copenhagen, Billund or Oslo when the base closed (or downsized).
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From: Earth
If you're taking it for the base bear in mind that you'll have to move again in a year or two.
I worked with a guy who came here with similar experience to yourself with the promise of being in his home base. He hadn't realised he wouldn't be staying there after the upgrade until he received an email telling him to choose between Kaunas, Vilnius, Sofia, Otopeni or Timisoara!
I worked with a guy who came here with similar experience to yourself with the promise of being in his home base. He hadn't realised he wouldn't be staying there after the upgrade until he received an email telling him to choose between Kaunas, Vilnius, Sofia, Otopeni or Timisoara!
Joined: Feb 2007
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From: London
I know plenty of FOs in larger bases who have upgraded to Capt and stayed in their base. It's not as clear cut as saying it is guaranteed you'll have to move. You probably will have to, for a while, but it's not a 100% certainty.
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From: APU muffler - RUSNE
I know quite a lot of guys so lucky to do their upgrade training in their base and then keeping their base. So it's just about being lucky and not dropping your trousers during the interview...
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From: six micro tesla zone
I know a guy who joined as a cadet - SFI - Captain - TRE and has never been based outside of the UK since he started with Ryanair. It's not the worst company out there.
But, it's more funny to read all the jaded, negative, emotionally loaded drivel on pprune than have a balanced discussion.
But, it's more funny to read all the jaded, negative, emotionally loaded drivel on pprune than have a balanced discussion.
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Worldwide
All the FOs of my base has been sended out after the Command Upgrade. Even they finished the line training without base assigned. But everybody out for at least 1 year
This is the way is working now as far as I know
This is the way is working now as far as I know