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Old 1st Aug 2017, 19:19
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As soon as I heard it, I knew it was total rubbish. By the time time you add up all the duty hours on the ground and in the sim, it probably averages out at a normal 45 hour week; although they don't consider ground hours as work. :

As for €150k, do you really think it would be an average? Surely no pilot earns more than €150k gross, bar chief pilot maybe, at Ryanair so I'm not sure it could average out at that.
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 19:25
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Critical situation for Ryanair?

Do you mean that they are planning to pay the TR course for low hours?
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 19:46
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I say it can be the average cost that FR have with captains but including FR social contributions not only what they pay to the pilots.
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 20:27
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Originally Posted by SID PLATE View Post
Last post from me on this ..
The "authentic soul" (?) of most RYR trainers is that they want trainees to succeed. If a trainee doesn't make the grade after the usual number of sectors, and if that trainee has potential, they will be given extra training to bring them up to standard.
The command course failure rate is low. Guys generally fail not because they can't handle the aeroplane, or because they don't know, or follow, the SOP's, but because they can't manage the flight.
The training department won't put you on a command course for a number of reasons. It's nothing to do with a conflict of personality between you and your Base Captain, or between you and the training department. It's more to do with if they think you have a chance of passing the course. If they don't, they will give you more time to work on your operation, or your attitude. A command course, even in Ryanair, is not an automatic right even for someone who's been in the RHS for 'two years'.
RYR's SOP's aren't difficult. You might argue that some are unnecessary, (I would..) and some are marginally stupid. They won't, however, kill you. If the company which pays you wants you to operate in a certain way, then why not just do it ?
You claim to know, and follow the SOP's. Half your battle is won then. You might want to address the other half and ask yourself if your attitude might be the problem? If so, consider doing something about it.
Good Luck.
My attitude is perfectly normal, thatīs not the problem. It is difficult to explain in a forum. Anyway guys thank you for your advices I will try to reach the "level" required for been at least in the command upgrade program. Not going to the command if the BC do not consider my skills enough for passing the CU course, but at least been in the program... I think it would be fair for a guy with my experience. I donīt going to upload my CV here of course but just to say I have a "little bit" more than 2 years on the RHS in the 73, just a few type ratings, command hours on jet and worldwide experience in zones that you will never fly in your life...

Anyway guys, I agree that SOPīs are for something and can save your life... and I repeat it is not the problem here...
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Old 1st Aug 2017, 21:38
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Originally Posted by smthngdffrnt View Post
Critical situation for Ryanair?

Do you mean that they are planning to pay the TR course for low hours?
Low hour FO's are queuing to pay for a type rating and get a foot on the ladder

Captains are where any shortage maybe. As long as they can make it to September it will mean the hopes and dreams that T & C's will improve for staff are over for another year !. They previously ran NTR courses but from what I recall there was a healthy bond for 3 years attached.
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 00:13
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3 years? Fair enough when it comes to avoiding the fact of paying 35K to work (without the help of daddy, of course).

I hope this policy of paying to work/fly finishes one day..
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 09:52
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I hope you are wrong.

My local airport full of FTOs is empty comparing with the year 2000-2007.

Taking into account the passenger growth and the fact that nowadays flying is not so glamorous because of the terms & conditions, I reckon that a slight shortage of low timers could be a possibility.

Donīt hesitate to tell me "you are wrong". Just to get used to the idea and offer my ass up front. You know, after many years fighting against this abuse Iīm starting to be left on the shelf..
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 17:01
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Its not the low time pilots , but possibly the very experienced returning expats that are keeping salaries low. DEC at J2, EZ, NLH is popular for the cashed up 50 somethings Ex. EK & QR brigade. Or occasionally, from Asia.

If you have a 1 million quid house paid for, kids left Uni and a place on the Costa, then its just pocket money from your work. Pilot shortage? No 'ere in the UK, look east sir.
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 18:06
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Recently a very experienced TRI/TRE from my present lot resigned to join Ryanair as NTR DEC on the same base where he was on the previous airline but with a gross pay reduction of €20k. When asked why he simply said that FR as a better lifestyle and job security. Who knows.
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Old 2nd Aug 2017, 20:23
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Could I ask how much take home you'll be looking at joining ryanair as a non type rated DEC? Would Barcelona or Girona be possible immediately on joining?
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Old 3rd Aug 2017, 10:21
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What about as a dec and you get the base you want can they move you then?
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Old 3rd Aug 2017, 11:19
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If you're a contractor they can, and often will, have you operating "out of base". At times you could see rosters which had you more out of base in a month than at home base.
If you're on a Ryanair contract you are safer. However, ask what happened to the pilots in Marseille, Girona, Copenhagen, Billund or Oslo when the base closed (or downsized).
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Old 4th Aug 2017, 19:11
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If you're taking it for the base bear in mind that you'll have to move again in a year or two.
I worked with a guy who came here with similar experience to yourself with the promise of being in his home base. He hadn't realised he wouldn't be staying there after the upgrade until he received an email telling him to choose between Kaunas, Vilnius, Sofia, Otopeni or Timisoara!
They have to move to another base even if the one they are as FO are in need of captains?
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Old 4th Aug 2017, 19:55
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The answer is YES
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Old 4th Aug 2017, 20:08
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Why is that?
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Old 4th Aug 2017, 22:25
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Because then they can use your preferred base as a carrot for something else.
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Old 5th Aug 2017, 06:06
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I know plenty of FOs in larger bases who have upgraded to Capt and stayed in their base. It's not as clear cut as saying it is guaranteed you'll have to move. You probably will have to, for a while, but it's not a 100% certainty.
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Old 5th Aug 2017, 09:42
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I don't know even a single one
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Old 5th Aug 2017, 13:10
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I know quite a lot of guys so lucky to do their upgrade training in their base and then keeping their base. So it's just about being lucky and not dropping your trousers during the interview...
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Old 5th Aug 2017, 15:56
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If you've stayed long enough to do your command then you're probably used to dropping your trousers
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