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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 05:22
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent View Post
Why not start a separate thread, Fly320bus, and share the knowledge on what the conditions are? Let's see how serious you are .. , hm?

This link does not show much of attention from the recruiters: Aeroflot pilot jobs news for airline pilots and aviation schools.

not interested in big threads,
just wanted to help as I recently joined. And I know how it feels to go through this situation. That's all. Best of luck.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 06:29
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I may have misworded my request, it is a genuine one. Congrats for your leap of faith, by the way!

The Aeroflot's conditions are not the worst in EU. From what I learned, definitely better than Primera's (unless you had lived at one of their bases and/or could reach for the high level PIC hrs pay).

Though I assumed you were connected to AFL recruitment - sorry for that - we're still interested to know. Even if AFL were the low edge, sharing their T&C helps. It puts a mirror in front of the "western" 3rd tiers and pushes up the whole pyramid.

This is a SAIL thread, let's not hijack it. Hence the request for a separate one. It is time to get fat, the winter's coming.

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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 08:21
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If there is moneny trouble, SAS main will of course pay the salaries, after all, SAIL is needed before the negotiations with SAS main next spring.....
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 16:12
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That was my main worry since the beginning. Even if successful, well organized and set-up for a healthy growth, would not be SAIL sacrificed during the big SAS negotiations?
Is the ethics behind them really to start an off-shoot with a low-cost base, or are the SAS bosses just cultivating a bargaining chip to be burned later?
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 18:14
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That was my main worry since the beginning. Even if successful, well organized and set-up for a healthy growth, would not be SAIL sacrificed during the big SAS negotiations?
Is the ethics behind them really to start an off-shoot with a low-cost base, or are the SAS bosses just cultivating a bargaining chip to be burned later?
While no mainline pilot is positive to SAIL I think it's the big bosses you should be afraid of. The unions have some power to negotiate their local T&C but can in no way influence top management (or the board) in which direction they should take this ship. SAIL isn't the first provocative action taken by the company when up for negotiation. The latest being forced part time for all new upgrades.

I don't claim to know anything. However, after this summer's fiasco with SAIL and CityJet and the management's surprising transparency about it I can't believe it turned out to be the money saver they were hoping for.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 23:05
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RE late Sept pay; same thing happened to us at Primera Air this weekend just gone. Lots of talk from the airline and the agency about 'slow banks' and 'no admin staff over the weekend' etc. 24 hours later the airline went into administration (ie.last night). Some of us were paid. Others are still waiting. We were also employed by agency (ASTA, under Mountain High) who sound every bit as incompetent and chaotic as CAE judging by some of these posts. I was considering a move to SAIL as LHR would suit me as would the 5/4. But i'm wondering if things are any better? Or if they are destined for the same fate? Lack of pilots, cabin crew, trainers and Ts & Cs not good enough to retain the ones they had were what sunk Primera. Although the airline management are trying to make it sound like it was the late delivery of their A321 NEOs. Primera were too in the midst of recruitment (albeit too late) when they went under yesterday (with an OCC course literally under way with 9 more pilots and another 2 course to follow next month). So I guess the most immediate and searching question is...have you guys been paid yet??
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Old 4th Oct 2018, 16:51
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Heard that some of the guys have been hit with Irish taxes is that right?
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 10:07
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Morning all, any info on the SAS Ireland interview ?

I understand the SAS conditions will be increasing.
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 11:34
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SAIL seems to have 2 airframes on order again, If the want to crew them, logical way would be to increase t&c, but still no confirmed news about that...
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 12:16
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September pay in yet?
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 12:20
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From what I heard the guys received already september pay...

Another thing seems like SAIL was lucky at the beginning to recruit pilots from Monarch and now might be the same case with Primera guys...
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Old 10th Oct 2018, 12:36
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I believe you are right there Matt.

If SAIL is the last option, then why not, until something better pops up?
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 08:56
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With reference to the Air Tanker question posted, they’d be crazy to join in, very different to what they are used to.
Multi sector, max duty days followed by minimum rest, all backed up by CAE who can’t organise a p*ss up in a brewery, who don’t care about the staff and have the line “in Ryanair......”
see where this is going?
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 17:08
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Well Flixn....

I don't think (or hope) they will be too surprised. Everybody in AirTanker knows how well it can bee in aviation, and how bad it is in low cost. Or "been there done that" goes for all of us, I guess.

Still hope for the guys that it will be a quick visit, but not more than that....
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Old 12th Oct 2018, 19:30
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Is SAS mainline hiring for other bases than ARN soon?
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 09:55
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They are already hiring for OSL alongside ARN, so I was told when I attended the interview.
For CPH there will probably be no recruiting this round.
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 11:41
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They are already hiring for OSL alongside ARN, so I was told when I attended the interview.
For CPH there will probably be no recruiting this round.
Thanks! Do you know how long base transfers are? If one were to get ARN and wanted CPH would they get priority over new hires?
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 12:09
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Thanks! Do you know how long base transfers are? If one were to get ARN and wanted CPH would they get priority over new hires?
There is no clear-cut procedure for that. Expect to be based where you're initially hired. When upgrading you can apply for a captain position at another base. There have been one-off base transfers when slots have been available.
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Old 13th Oct 2018, 12:19
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There is no clear-cut procedure for that. Expect to be based where you're initially hired. When upgrading you can apply for a captain position at another base. There have been one-off base transfers when slots have been available.
Thanks for letting me know, I'll wait then.
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Thanks for letting me know, I'll wait then.
Wise choice if you really want CPH.
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