SAS to hire 200 pilots!
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In my humble opinion there is no better place to work than SAS for a Scandinavian pilot wanting to live in Scandiland. Yes, the schedule and the T&C´s are not what they used to be, but isn´t it like that industry wide...?
Starting today, one can reasonably expect to be a SH Captain within the next 10 years or less, and a A350 Captain within 15 years. Permanent contract with Scandinavian sick pay, pension and the usual goodies. Beats the crap out of Ryanair, Norwegian etc. if you ask me.
Starting today, one can reasonably expect to be a SH Captain within the next 10 years or less, and a A350 Captain within 15 years. Permanent contract with Scandinavian sick pay, pension and the usual goodies. Beats the crap out of Ryanair, Norwegian etc. if you ask me.
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There are other companies out there then RyR and Norwegian when you have some experience.
Who also have pension and sick pay. Where the Captain upgrade comes much faster, and with more pay and extras then SAS currently offers.
If living in Scandiland, I have heard of other companies offering better TC's then SAS, but it's impossible to get inside.
I believe SAS will have difficulty to attract many experienced guys, unless they are in the desert and want to come home.
Other experienced guys are already now Captains or close to upgrade in their current airlines, which would mean joining SAS would be a massive step down for at least 10 years or who knows how long.
Regarding the recruitment, don't even wish to comment on that garbage, as it's so inside out flawed, besides that, I know of few guys who recently joined, last 12 - 18 months, who all got in because who they knew, rather then what they know!
Good luck on them, I am very happy where I am now, and have no desire or interest to join SAS now or in the future. But for me their recruitment process stinks. The guys I know who joined was not rated and had little or no jet experience.
Enough about that.
Who also have pension and sick pay. Where the Captain upgrade comes much faster, and with more pay and extras then SAS currently offers.
If living in Scandiland, I have heard of other companies offering better TC's then SAS, but it's impossible to get inside.
I believe SAS will have difficulty to attract many experienced guys, unless they are in the desert and want to come home.
Other experienced guys are already now Captains or close to upgrade in their current airlines, which would mean joining SAS would be a massive step down for at least 10 years or who knows how long.
Regarding the recruitment, don't even wish to comment on that garbage, as it's so inside out flawed, besides that, I know of few guys who recently joined, last 12 - 18 months, who all got in because who they knew, rather then what they know!
Good luck on them, I am very happy where I am now, and have no desire or interest to join SAS now or in the future. But for me their recruitment process stinks. The guys I know who joined was not rated and had little or no jet experience.
Enough about that.
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Oh yes so bitter that I never even applied!
I have no interest to start commuting from a Scandi-land and pay 65% in taxes!
I am very happy where I am, but I did not like recruitments double standards!
Of course Jante loven is rather the rule then the exception, don't speak your opinion just pretend roses are red, and violets are ........!
I have no interest to start commuting from a Scandi-land and pay 65% in taxes!
I am very happy where I am, but I did not like recruitments double standards!
Of course Jante loven is rather the rule then the exception, don't speak your opinion just pretend roses are red, and violets are ........!
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e-mails from SAS to my questions regarding recruitment, of course you need to know one Scandi language to understand this or use google translator.
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Hej Truckflyer.
Som det ser ud lige nu er det kun CRJ og 737.
Med venlig hilsen
SAS
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Hej Truckflyer,
Du kan kun søge hvis du opfylder alle betingelser! Vi skriver tydeligt at man SKAL have typerating.
Søger du uden typerating risikerer du at din ansøgning bliver slettet.
Med venlig hilsen
Team Pilot Recruitment
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Hei SAS recruitment
Takk for det svaret, beklager men det som forvirret meg var en repotasje fra dansk TV 2, hvor de fortalte at SAS hadde ansatt 6 nye piloter direkte fra flyskole i Roskilde uten typerating.
Derfor trodde jeg at det kanskje var mulighet aa soke dersom man ikke hadde TR, men jeg husker annonse e-mail skrev at man behovde TR, saa jeg beklager saa meget, men det var dette som forundret og forvirret meg litt.
Answer from SAS:
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Ikke noget problem. ;-)
Med venlig hilsen
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I particularly find the " ;-) " amusing. Completely disrespectful and liars.
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Hej Truckflyer.
Som det ser ud lige nu er det kun CRJ og 737.
Med venlig hilsen
SAS
2.
Hej Truckflyer,
Du kan kun søge hvis du opfylder alle betingelser! Vi skriver tydeligt at man SKAL have typerating.
Søger du uden typerating risikerer du at din ansøgning bliver slettet.
Med venlig hilsen
Team Pilot Recruitment
3.
Hei SAS recruitment
Takk for det svaret, beklager men det som forvirret meg var en repotasje fra dansk TV 2, hvor de fortalte at SAS hadde ansatt 6 nye piloter direkte fra flyskole i Roskilde uten typerating.
Derfor trodde jeg at det kanskje var mulighet aa soke dersom man ikke hadde TR, men jeg husker annonse e-mail skrev at man behovde TR, saa jeg beklager saa meget, men det var dette som forundret og forvirret meg litt.
Answer from SAS:
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Ikke noget problem. ;-)
Med venlig hilsen
Team Pilot Recruitment
I particularly find the " ;-) " amusing. Completely disrespectful and liars.
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The idea is you apply, and don't mind so much about the requirements.
It's all about showing your interrest in the joboffering and tell them that you're genuinly interrested.
If they then do not have enough applicant with the nessesary "skills", where will they look then
And you never know, you may get it anyway
It's all about showing your interrest in the joboffering and tell them that you're genuinly interrested.
If they then do not have enough applicant with the nessesary "skills", where will they look then
And you never know, you may get it anyway
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Oh yes so bitter that I never even applied!
I have no interest to start commuting from a Scandi-land and pay 65% in taxes!
I have no interest to start commuting from a Scandi-land and pay 65% in taxes!
Hei SAS recruitment
Takk for det svaret, beklager men det som forvirret meg var en repotasje fra dansk TV 2, hvor de fortalte at SAS hadde ansatt 6 nye piloter direkte fra flyskole i Roskilde uten typerating.
Derfor trodde jeg at det kanskje var mulighet aa soke dersom man ikke hadde TR, men jeg husker annonse e-mail skrev at man behovde TR, saa jeg beklager saa meget, men det var dette som forundret og forvirret meg litt.
Takk for det svaret, beklager men det som forvirret meg var en repotasje fra dansk TV 2, hvor de fortalte at SAS hadde ansatt 6 nye piloter direkte fra flyskole i Roskilde uten typerating.
Derfor trodde jeg at det kanskje var mulighet aa soke dersom man ikke hadde TR, men jeg husker annonse e-mail skrev at man behovde TR, saa jeg beklager saa meget, men det var dette som forundret og forvirret meg litt.
I will agree with you somewhat though, start pay is way too low and top pay still low but livable and when you get there you pay too much tax (although not 65% , in Norway at least).
For the record for those who might be interested:
-No friend required but you will have to pass some tests and interviews and show that you can fly an a/c, quite a few guys flunk the sim apparently.
Good luck and maybe we'll see some of you "out on line"
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The tax thing
@Truckflyer
If you live in for example in Sweden and make 8000 euros a month, you will pay about 3000 euros in tax. Does that amount to 65 % in your opinion?
It is about 38 % tax, whitout any deductables included, which may lower the tax even further. I'm glad you are not my tax consultant!
Come to think of it Bjørn Kjos said he pays several 1000 % in taxes on the TV show Skavlan, but thats in Norway and with his wealth and property tax included... No such things in Sweden though. He should move here!
You remark on socialistic Scandinavia is redicoulus, I guess you have never needed proper healthcare...
If you live in for example in Sweden and make 8000 euros a month, you will pay about 3000 euros in tax. Does that amount to 65 % in your opinion?
It is about 38 % tax, whitout any deductables included, which may lower the tax even further. I'm glad you are not my tax consultant!
Come to think of it Bjørn Kjos said he pays several 1000 % in taxes on the TV show Skavlan, but thats in Norway and with his wealth and property tax included... No such things in Sweden though. He should move here!
You remark on socialistic Scandinavia is redicoulus, I guess you have never needed proper healthcare...
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38% tax is for the lower income bracket, go to the top tier when you are a Captain, and you will be paying more, close to 65%.
Even 38% is way to much, but I know many are indoctrinated with this notion that it is required to keep a good health care etc.
Go to Norway, you pay massive taxes, yet when you go to the doctor for consultation you pay again a consultation fee.
So first your salary gets taxed. Then massive taxes on ALL products you buy, specially Norway. I once had an old banger of a Volvo, I sold it for 300 Euros, I considered bringing it to Norway, they wanted 100.000 NOK in taxes.
25 % VAT the last time I checked on goods.
Of course some of this tax money is used from time to time to save SAS from bankruptcy, on more than 1 occasion.
Our political views aside, I did consider SAS few years back, before I got my current job. Truth is that there are many much better jobs out there then SAS today, only reason if somebody has very close ties and want to live there for family reasons.
Don't get me wrong, SAS is not a bad company, but the are not what they used be, and there are serious concerns still of their long term future.
If it's up to Kjos, there will be no more government aid to keep life into a dinosaur.
Even 38% is way to much, but I know many are indoctrinated with this notion that it is required to keep a good health care etc.
Go to Norway, you pay massive taxes, yet when you go to the doctor for consultation you pay again a consultation fee.
So first your salary gets taxed. Then massive taxes on ALL products you buy, specially Norway. I once had an old banger of a Volvo, I sold it for 300 Euros, I considered bringing it to Norway, they wanted 100.000 NOK in taxes.
25 % VAT the last time I checked on goods.
Of course some of this tax money is used from time to time to save SAS from bankruptcy, on more than 1 occasion.
Our political views aside, I did consider SAS few years back, before I got my current job. Truth is that there are many much better jobs out there then SAS today, only reason if somebody has very close ties and want to live there for family reasons.
Don't get me wrong, SAS is not a bad company, but the are not what they used be, and there are serious concerns still of their long term future.
If it's up to Kjos, there will be no more government aid to keep life into a dinosaur.
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Nothing is what it used to be anywhere! My tax example was for total tax, including the top brackets of 50 and 55%
On a higher salary the total tax willl be a few % higher, but never over 50% I live in Sweden and work in Norway and would actually save quite a lot if I was taxed in Norway, due to higher tax brackets starts a lot higher and deductables are better. Still I choose to commute. There are quite a few places with lower taxes in the world, I would not want to live there due too poor welfare benifits. A lot of people in my family, including my self, have gotten excellent care when treated for severe and complex illnesses... Saved my life and career and it was for free! I am certain SAS is a good place to work, everyone I know there are happy. There is more to life than as much money as possible in your pocket... Happy where I am and will not apply for SAS.
On a higher salary the total tax willl be a few % higher, but never over 50% I live in Sweden and work in Norway and would actually save quite a lot if I was taxed in Norway, due to higher tax brackets starts a lot higher and deductables are better. Still I choose to commute. There are quite a few places with lower taxes in the world, I would not want to live there due too poor welfare benifits. A lot of people in my family, including my self, have gotten excellent care when treated for severe and complex illnesses... Saved my life and career and it was for free! I am certain SAS is a good place to work, everyone I know there are happy. There is more to life than as much money as possible in your pocket... Happy where I am and will not apply for SAS.
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And if it was up to Kjos, there would be no employee rights whatsoever! I feel sorry and sad that people have to work for such an A**hole... I do agree that cars and Norway does not go well together!
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"Happy where I am and will not apply for SAS."
Thats exactly my point, many experienced guys now, probably already have a safer and better job then what SAS can offer.
That's why I don't see loads of experienced guys running to them, unless they offer fast track to command etc. Because what SAS offer now for new starters is not very good.
SAS policy is, last in, first out, and you never know what SAS will do, they have proven that more then once.
Thats exactly my point, many experienced guys now, probably already have a safer and better job then what SAS can offer.
That's why I don't see loads of experienced guys running to them, unless they offer fast track to command etc. Because what SAS offer now for new starters is not very good.
SAS policy is, last in, first out, and you never know what SAS will do, they have proven that more then once.
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MORE NUMBERS PLEASE
Hi folks.
A nice stormy day for flying, or checking my lobster pots. Problem is crabs are stealing my bait, taste good them thar fellas to mind you.
Sorry for the drift, at least I stay in this Univers on my rant and not in some parallel McCarty milkyway hunting us Vikings.
Here is my guess for the next year:
Airfrance ? 150 pilotes
Austrien 50
BA 300
CityJet 20
Easy 400
FinnAir 70
Hainan Europe 150
KLM 250
LuftHansi 350
SAS 201
TransAvia 100
Norwegian 300
Wiz 200
Wow 50
XYZ Europe 737 320 1200
This is just to kikkstart this mission back on track, I have no clue as to what is going on in the industry this winter, but i intend to find out.
Need to go,,,, fishing!
Tudel pipp
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A nice stormy day for flying, or checking my lobster pots. Problem is crabs are stealing my bait, taste good them thar fellas to mind you.
Sorry for the drift, at least I stay in this Univers on my rant and not in some parallel McCarty milkyway hunting us Vikings.
Here is my guess for the next year:
Airfrance ? 150 pilotes
Austrien 50
BA 300
CityJet 20
Easy 400
FinnAir 70
Hainan Europe 150
KLM 250
LuftHansi 350
SAS 201
TransAvia 100
Norwegian 300
Wiz 200
Wow 50
XYZ Europe 737 320 1200
This is just to kikkstart this mission back on track, I have no clue as to what is going on in the industry this winter, but i intend to find out.
Need to go,,,, fishing!
Tudel pipp
BSU
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Widerø needs 16 pilots
I don't know if it counts for anything but the Norwegian short field operator needs at least 16 pilots, according to my source. Widerø operates dash 8, 100-400's on Norway domestic and international. Kind regards LIBD
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A couple of years ago I were invited for assesment for 737 fo. The salary per month they offered was less than 30 000 SEK! I could no believe it was that rubbish but I was keen on moving back to Europe and Scandinavia so I confirmed by mail I wanted to attend the interview. In the same email I asked if they could give me tickets (on SAS longhaul network) so I could get there. The recruitment team responded by saying "all applicants have to provide their own transport to the assessment"
This was not long after the company almost went bankrupt but I was surprised they had lowered the standards this much. It all gave me a bad vibe so I canceled the whole thing. I don't regret it a minute.
This was not long after the company almost went bankrupt but I was surprised they had lowered the standards this much. It all gave me a bad vibe so I canceled the whole thing. I don't regret it a minute.
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Starting pay has gone up since 2013, especially if you're already type rated. Still one of the better outfits to work for. No hassle at all if you get sick, pension paid, ID travel, decent food onboard, good hotels during stops, etc.
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I can think of many other airlines with better T&Cs than SAS are offering.
They're still not doing fantastic, not sure what the future brings.
Experience guys going to the RHS in a crj just to come home, well that's a very high price to pay.
When management shakes the pilot tree, there will always be pilots falling to take up any positions available. Desperate times for desperate needs.
Not for me anyway. Good luck for those of you who will go for it!
They're still not doing fantastic, not sure what the future brings.
Experience guys going to the RHS in a crj just to come home, well that's a very high price to pay.
When management shakes the pilot tree, there will always be pilots falling to take up any positions available. Desperate times for desperate needs.
Not for me anyway. Good luck for those of you who will go for it!