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Jet2 Autumn 2014

Old 13th Oct 2016, 18:55
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....Richard B run their excellent enterprises!
If you look after your staff, they'll look after your customers. It's that simple.
Travel Weekly from August 4th this year
Virgin Atlantic yesterday vowed to keep its fleet flying in the face of threatened industrial action by a union which claims to represent almost three quarters of its pilots.
Is this the sort or excellent enterprise and staff care to which you refer?
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 18:58
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H44 1,700 may seem like a "small thing" to you, but multiply that by 2,500 staff and you have a 4 million + deduction from your balance sheet every year. Not exactly loose change in anyone's books.
Personally, I'd rather have the money and chose where I go, when I go and who I go with.
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Old 14th Oct 2016, 08:49
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Originally Posted by Big Tudor View Post
H44 1,700 may seem like a "small thing" to you, but multiply that by 2,500 staff and you have a 4 million + deduction from your balance sheet every year..
Sounds like something straight from the mouth of the factory owner! In fact ...why even pay the workers at all as it has a significant affect on the bottom line. Muppet.
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Old 14th Oct 2016, 13:24
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Jet2 unions

If Phil gets cross at very idea of staff travel, mention unions and he self ignites! It is alleged that he ripped the BALPA lanyard from the neck of crew member!
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Old 14th Oct 2016, 19:10
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The employment contract does state that ONLY Jet2 lanyards shall be worn.
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Old 14th Oct 2016, 20:13
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Lanyards

Must be the new contracts.
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Old 15th Oct 2016, 02:48
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I would say lack of staff travel or significant incentives to book through Jet2 holidays is a lost marketing opportunity.

If you asked for a show of hands in the crew room for those who have booked a Jet2 holiday or flight in the last 12 months it wold probably be less than 10%. There are two issues with this;

Your staff have no real idea about the product, especially on the holidays side, when friends, family and colleagues ask, knowing that you work for the company. They can't say what an amazing holiday they had with the company and upsell the brand.

It doesn't look very good when most your staff holiday with all the competition instead!
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Old 15th Oct 2016, 08:09
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Lanyards - yeah why not. Corporate image springs to mind.
Yorkshire Pudd - Can't argue with that tbh.
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Old 15th Oct 2016, 10:47
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There is no loss of license or private health care. J2 offer a discount with BUPA but its nothing special, in fact, If you enquire yourself, you can get a similar deal.

The current salary exchange (not a benefit so to speak) is only good if your fully employed and on the high tax band.

I think cooperating with the union, and listening to employees for what they would like, would go a long way. Of course the demands of the employees can not all be satisfied.
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 07:23
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I think it's quite interesting how the attitude toward RYR has changed over recent years
When compared with 5 years ago, FR is a different airline these days. From my experience, almost all those leaving having done so for basing/family reasons or due to a desire to fly longhaul, rather than the money.

it would seem the FR direct UK contracts seem to have got better thus why people are willing to stay
No, worse. Plenty of threads on this issue elsewhere, which state that the FR take home after maximising own pension contributions averages at about 6k.

Nobody on here seems to know what a Jet2 Captain takes home.

But it's about much more than how much you take home. You might well have an extra few quid in your sky rocket, but you're made to work harder for it.
I know what you're saying, but most Captains would find it very hard to take a pay cut to join Jet2. The difference between flying 700 and 800 hours a year is not great in terms of effort, and where there's an obvious reward in your bank account for the hard work, most would do it happily.

Benefits of Ryanair - roster pattern, apart from that I believe that Jet2 wins on all other counts
Really? Not much difference in term of benefits and less pay. For me, the stable 5/4 is worth at least 20k per annum because of its beneficial effect on family life. So, if working for FR involves a greater take home as well providing that huge inducement, Jet2 is a hard sell for me.
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 13:11
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How much leave do you manage to get at times that are of any use to a family at Ryanair?

Eg, could I expect to get a period of leave over Christmas or New Year, a week at Feb 1/2 term, a week at Easter, 2 weeks in the July/August summer holidays and a week at October 1/2 term? Most years I can manage to get the vast majority of those, and maybe May 1/2 term too.

I haven't worked for Ryanair, and I suspect those here defending them haven't worked for Jet2. All I can base my opinions on are the feedback that many of those that have made the transition from FR to LS have detailed, and they are more than happy with their lot, I am also aware of some that moved from Jet2 to FR and are looking to return, despite the basing not really suiting them.

Lots of differing T's and C's, however I think the biggest thing that I have noticed people saying is the attitude that Jet2 have towards them, particularly when you are after a favour off Rostering, or trying to sort out a swap with Crewing.
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 13:24
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Each to their own obviously..no where is perfect.

With respect to standbys (this said with the caveat that I'm based in my home base) I think it's hard to view a home standby day as a working day. I've had countless rostered in my 18 months here and in that time have been called out a total of 3 times. 2 hour call out so to be honest I just go about my daily life and just avoid the places where I know phone signal is poor. A few days flying rostered for Nov and 10+ standbys-which I virtually guarantee you will turn out to be days off for all intents and purposes. Still paid full salary though...pretty good quality of life all in all. Granted if you're one for hour building quickly there might be better options
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 19:00
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For goodness sake guys. Horses for courses. Lets not get into the how high can you piss.
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 19:13
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With regards to what Johnny said, Deadpool's on the same lines as me.

As I said, those leaving Ryanair for other airlines are 2000 hour FOs for whom long haul, big jets and hotels in Boston is the big draw. For those who enjoy hand-flying medium jets into interesting airports, before returning to their own bed with the lady who is still their wife, Ryanair holds few horrors.

I look at my roster for the next 30 days and it looks pretty good: 11 days flying, each with 2 sectors, 12 different routes, so not much repetition, 3 standbys and 1 training day. I'm back home mid afternoon on all bar one of the earlies and only have to leave for work mid afternoon for the lates. I will see my children every working day, plus for the entirety of each and every of the 15 days I'm not working.
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 19:32
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The airports on long haul are still pretty interesting, Canarsie approach into JFK springs to mind, or the LDA into Haneda, or into Saporro on a clear day they just clear you to self position downwind to make a visual circuit to land, I'm on the jumbo and can hand fly as much or as little as I like, so not sure where that hand-flying comment comes from. Agree with the rest of your points though, after years of being jet lagged in hotels I'm very much looking forward to being home to my own bed each night.
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 19:59
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I'm on the jumbo and can hand fly as much or as little as I like, so not sure where that hand-flying comment comes from
You might find you're in a minority these days. Not many hand fly jumbos about. But in any case, there's little doubt that those who find flying the plane as the main draw to the career would find the greater frequency of shorter sectors to a larger variety of (often smaller) fields, more fun than longhaul.
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 20:36
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11 days flying, each with 2 sectors, 12 different routes
How do you manage 12 different routes in 11 days without landing miles from your car?
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 21:10
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Ahh I dunno, I have a friend who works at Cargolux flying the jumbo and they'll often disconnect at 20,000ft and hand fly all the way to landing. I can't say I have a huge amount of interest in hand flying if I'm being honest, lets face it we can all fly a departure and an approach, it isn't hard. And it had no influence on me joining Jet2, missing out on family moments and the chance to be at home is what I made the move for. Sitting around in a hotel room in the middle of the night (which is what I'm doing right now) gets old pretty quick!
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 22:37
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How do you manage 12 different routes in 11 days without landing miles from your car?
Good spot Flap40! :-)

My mistake. The 12 routes included my flights yesterday, whereas the rest of the stats relate to the remainder of my month according to Rosterbuster.

Obviously, all the 2 sector days leave me back at my car.

DDobinpilot: Jet2 and FR etc are loco pax operators. Cargo operators don't count!
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Old 16th Oct 2016, 22:48
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I can back up the above. I flew the jumbo and hand flew it freely. Where I am now you can hand fly if you wish. Just choose sensible moments the same as anywhere. It's whether you chose to though. Most jumbo Pilots have been flying long enough to get past the obsession with hand flying absolutely every approach just for selfish reasons and pick their moments. It's all about managing risk and after being awake half the night you use what little reserves you and your team mate at the front are left with in the best way. Just my observation.
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