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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 15:16
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Would anybody be able to advise on ryanair or Jet2
Suppose it depends on what you want -

Benefits of Ryanair - roster pattern, apart from that I believe that Jet2 wins on all other counts.
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 20:09
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Hmmm... I'm not so sure it's just the roster Johnny. It depends on base and whether you are on a permanent UK contract at FR. I have a close friend that is a Captain on the 737 at Jet2. We had a discussion about this and I earned more last year than he did as a UK based FR 737 Captain. He works less overall however. So if you are talking about take home pay on a UK permanent FR contract then Jet2 doesn't win on all counts according to our recent comparisons. There is also scope for the right people with the required competencies and ability to earn more at FR by joining the training department in positions such as LTC and TRI/TRE. This is purely based on the fact that the airline is expanding to over 500 aircraft over the next number of years. However with all that said I know quite a few ex colleagues in both seats at Jet2 and by and large they are happy. I'm not knocking it by any means.

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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 23:04
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But it's about much more than how much you take home. You might well have an extra few quid in your sky rocket, but you're made to work harder for it.

Looking at the route structure for STN there will be no 4 sector days for a start. I'm sure there are plenty more pros and cons, but based on my discussions with plenty of people that have moved from FR to Jet2 over the last few years, the vast majority wouldn't go back in a month of Sunday's.
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Old 23rd Sep 2016, 23:30
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I think it's quite interesting how the attitude toward RYR has changed over recent years. Does no one hate MOL anymore? Has everyone forgotten the repugnant bye bye baby insignia emblazoned on the aircraft? Is PM the new MOL?

Are the above just superficial to the end choice? I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely interested. I know the RYR training is truly excellent, and for a cadet in the bizarre world of newly minted cadets demanding jets it is the place to go....but for other sorts?

The market is well....buoyant....but for how long. Wonder what odds bet Fred give for the next tits up and who....won't be long folks....
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Old 25th Sep 2016, 08:47
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What affect, if any, do the green onesie, demobbed mob have? I hear the fast jet men (and some not so fast) have secured a number of management positions with the expectation newcomers will hold them in great esteem.
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Old 26th Sep 2016, 07:42
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Originally Posted by Direct Bondi View Post
What affect, if any, do the green onesie, demobbed mob have? I hear the fast jet men (and some not so fast) have secured a number of management positions with the expectation newcomers will hold them in great esteem.
These days HR has much more of an input into the recruitment process than any old boys network / forces bias may have had in the past.
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Old 26th Sep 2016, 09:27
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I’m very pleased to hear this. As we all know, those HR professionals are highly knowledgeable on pilot selection and craft fairs.
I was afraid of an“old-boys network” because for many years I have lived with the agony of my fast-jet pilot applications being rejected by the RAF. I stopped applying after the realization that being an obese, cross-eyed, larger-loving, foul-mouthed, Australian lesbian, living in the bush, the odds were stacked against me. However, I was offered a non-flying commission with the RAF Regiment which I turned down in favor of moving to Sydney and becoming an intern in an adult book shop. Sadly, my publishing career never materialized, but I lost weight, fixed my eyes, stopped drinking and eventually achieved my goal of becoming a pilot.
Some things about me haven’t changed. I still love being surrounded by bush, so a job in the Northern Territories with Jet2 would be ideal.
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Old 26th Sep 2016, 09:33
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DB, do you mean 'larger loving' or 'lager loving?' Both ideal pilot qualities I hasten to add...
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Old 26th Sep 2016, 11:12
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Originally Posted by Kirk out View Post
I think it's quite interesting how the attitude toward RYR has changed over recent years. Does no one hate MOL anymore? Has everyone forgotten the repugnant bye bye baby insignia emblazoned on the aircraft? Is PM the new MOL?

Are the above just superficial to the end choice? I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely interested. I know the RYR training is truly excellent, and for a cadet in the bizarre world of newly minted cadets demanding jets it is the place to go....but for other sorts?

The market is well....buoyant....but for how long. Wonder what odds bet Fred give for the next tits up and who....won't be long folks....
Because judging by 5-10 year old info from BALPA versus uptodate info I've been given, it would seem the FR direct UK contracts seem to have got better thus why people are willing to stay. Much improvement still needed, especially at entry level.

I would hazard a guess that with no union at FR, pilots were forced to vote with their feet over the last decade, the effects of which were probably felt in the boardroom forcing FR's hand; they would never admit it though! However, those 'effects' are hard to quantify or confirm so it's purely speculation, conjecture and attempting to connect the dots on my part.

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Old 26th Sep 2016, 13:40
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I hear the fast jet men (and some not so fast) have secured a number of management positions with the expectation newcomers will hold them in great esteem
You hear incorrectly in my opinion. Many of the pilot management team are ex military, however the notion that as such they should be held in high esteem is nonsense. Their position alone means that people should respect them, the same as anyone in any business respects their peers. The management team certainly have never come across as an ex military team that have no time for you unless you were too.
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Old 26th Sep 2016, 13:59
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+1 to what Johnny said.
Your backgrounds will be held in sufficient esteem if you can fly the damn thing.
The way bases are marching south these days might just suit Bondi.
Me, I'm holding out for Coffs Harbour.
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 12:54
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Yes, but it's based on number of available seats and there are never enough!
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 13:21
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Does Jet2 offer a staff travel system? or discounted holidays?
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 17:39
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Staff travel

A good way to get Phillip really really cross is to mention staff travel. He goes ballistiic.
I speak as one who has been roasted!
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 18:45
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Staff travel scheme -

There are 2 options -

1) is a salary sacrifice scheme. It's quite complicated, but basically you pay for your holiday by monthly deduction from your salary which is taken before tax, thus giving you a tax break on that amount.

2) is as detailed before, based on load factors. Over the last year or so this has become completely unworkable, especially at peak times.

Believe me, there have been years and years of attempts made for improvements, whenever the crew council meet it is on the agenda, unfortunately it falls on deaf ears. A standby system has been suggested but is always thrown out for one reason or another.

"What did he say" - words to the effect of "why should I let you have a seat at a discount when somebody else will pay full fare".
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 19:28
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Don't forget at FR your probably also including crew seats whereas this is more difficult for a UK AOC
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Old 12th Oct 2016, 20:18
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Yes offering a staff perk (such as staff travel) is a great for morale.
However the Phil way would seem to be, "all perks cancelled until morale improves"
Brilliant.
This is certainly not the way Herb K or Richard B run their excellent enterprises!
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 10:55
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I'll add my 2 cents for what it's worth, as I am joining Jet2 from an airline with extensive staff travel benefits, for single guys or young couples I can understand the desire for it, but for guys with families who will most likely want to travel during peak times it's a fairly useless perk, as trying to get on an aircraft using staff travel during peak holiday times you can basically forget about it, and tbh the stress of trying to do it basically ruins part of your holiday.

I personally use it alot with my current airline as I have lived thousands of miles away from home for the past 6 years.. but as Jet2 offers me a base very close to my house I'll have very little use for it so am quite happy to give it up. As I spend half my life either on aircraft or in airports, I have very little desire in spending my days off playing staff travel roulette.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 11:01
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Maybe staff travel as in flight only isn't as useful for families, but Jet2 is pushing the holiday offering, so could perhaps be offering discounted holidays. My current lot offer up to 1700 off a holiday every year. It's small things like this, a bonus when the company does well, incremental pay scales, and some kind of share deal that would elevate Jet2 from a stepping stone to a career airline imho.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 11:43
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I agree with all of those points H44. Strikes me as it would be a big cost saving to them if they could retain most of their pilots also and wouldn't be hard to do.
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