Jet2 Autumn 2014
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From: Hooverville
I think it's quite interesting how the attitude toward RYR has changed over recent years. Does no one hate MOL anymore? Has everyone forgotten the repugnant bye bye baby insignia emblazoned on the aircraft? Is PM the new MOL?
Are the above just superficial to the end choice? I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely interested. I know the RYR training is truly excellent, and for a cadet in the bizarre world of newly minted cadets demanding jets it is the place to go....but for other sorts?
The market is well....buoyant....but for how long. Wonder what odds bet Fred give for the next tits up and who....won't be long folks....
Are the above just superficial to the end choice? I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely interested. I know the RYR training is truly excellent, and for a cadet in the bizarre world of newly minted cadets demanding jets it is the place to go....but for other sorts?
The market is well....buoyant....but for how long. Wonder what odds bet Fred give for the next tits up and who....won't be long folks....
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From: Sydney
What affect, if any, do the green onesie, demobbed mob have? – I hear the fast jet men (and some not so fast) have secured a number of management positions with the expectation newcomers will hold them in great esteem.
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From: Out of a bag
These days HR has much more of an input into the recruitment process than any old boys network / forces bias may have had in the past.
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I’m very pleased to hear this. As we all know, those HR professionals are highly knowledgeable on pilot selection and craft fairs.
I was afraid of an“old-boys network” because for many years I have lived with the agony of my fast-jet pilot applications being rejected by the RAF. I stopped applying after the realization that being an obese, cross-eyed, larger-loving, foul-mouthed, Australian lesbian, living in the bush, the odds were stacked against me. However, I was offered a non-flying commission with the RAF Regiment which I turned down in favor of moving to Sydney and becoming an intern in an adult book shop. Sadly, my publishing career never materialized, but I lost weight, fixed my eyes, stopped drinking and eventually achieved my goal of becoming a pilot.
Some things about me haven’t changed. I still love being surrounded by bush, so a job in the Northern Territories with Jet2 would be
ideal.
I was afraid of an“old-boys network” because for many years I have lived with the agony of my fast-jet pilot applications being rejected by the RAF. I stopped applying after the realization that being an obese, cross-eyed, larger-loving, foul-mouthed, Australian lesbian, living in the bush, the odds were stacked against me. However, I was offered a non-flying commission with the RAF Regiment which I turned down in favor of moving to Sydney and becoming an intern in an adult book shop. Sadly, my publishing career never materialized, but I lost weight, fixed my eyes, stopped drinking and eventually achieved my goal of becoming a pilot.
Some things about me haven’t changed. I still love being surrounded by bush, so a job in the Northern Territories with Jet2 would be
ideal.
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From: six micro tesla zone
I think it's quite interesting how the attitude toward RYR has changed over recent years. Does no one hate MOL anymore? Has everyone forgotten the repugnant bye bye baby insignia emblazoned on the aircraft? Is PM the new MOL?
Are the above just superficial to the end choice? I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely interested. I know the RYR training is truly excellent, and for a cadet in the bizarre world of newly minted cadets demanding jets it is the place to go....but for other sorts?
The market is well....buoyant....but for how long. Wonder what odds bet Fred give for the next tits up and who....won't be long folks....
Are the above just superficial to the end choice? I'm not trying to be provocative, I'm genuinely interested. I know the RYR training is truly excellent, and for a cadet in the bizarre world of newly minted cadets demanding jets it is the place to go....but for other sorts?
The market is well....buoyant....but for how long. Wonder what odds bet Fred give for the next tits up and who....won't be long folks....
I would hazard a guess that with no union at FR, pilots were forced to vote with their feet over the last decade, the effects of which were probably felt in the boardroom forcing FR's hand; they would never admit it though! However, those 'effects' are hard to quantify or confirm so it's purely speculation, conjecture and attempting to connect the dots on my part.
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From: Either the back of a sim, or wherever Crewing send me.
I hear the fast jet men (and some not so fast) have secured a number of management positions with the expectation newcomers will hold them in great esteem
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From: uk
+1 to what Johnny said.
Your backgrounds will be held in sufficient esteem if you can fly the damn thing.
The way bases are marching south these days might just suit Bondi.
Me, I'm holding out for Coffs Harbour.
Your backgrounds will be held in sufficient esteem if you can fly the damn thing.
The way bases are marching south these days might just suit Bondi.
Me, I'm holding out for Coffs Harbour.
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From: North England
Does Jet2 offer a staff travel system? or discounted holidays?
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Deadpool
Staff travel scheme -
There are 2 options -
1) is a salary sacrifice scheme. It's quite complicated, but basically you pay for your holiday by monthly deduction from your salary which is taken before tax, thus giving you a tax break on that amount.
2) is as detailed before, based on load factors. Over the last year or so this has become completely unworkable, especially at peak times.
Believe me, there have been years and years of attempts made for improvements, whenever the crew council meet it is on the agenda, unfortunately it falls on deaf ears. A standby system has been suggested but is always thrown out for one reason or another.
"What did he say" - words to the effect of "why should I let you have a seat at a discount when somebody else will pay full fare".
There are 2 options -
1) is a salary sacrifice scheme. It's quite complicated, but basically you pay for your holiday by monthly deduction from your salary which is taken before tax, thus giving you a tax break on that amount.
2) is as detailed before, based on load factors. Over the last year or so this has become completely unworkable, especially at peak times.
Believe me, there have been years and years of attempts made for improvements, whenever the crew council meet it is on the agenda, unfortunately it falls on deaf ears. A standby system has been suggested but is always thrown out for one reason or another.
"What did he say" - words to the effect of "why should I let you have a seat at a discount when somebody else will pay full fare".
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Yes offering a staff perk (such as staff travel) is a great for morale.
However the Phil way would seem to be, "all perks cancelled until morale improves"
Brilliant.
This is certainly not the way Herb K or Richard B run their excellent enterprises!
However the Phil way would seem to be, "all perks cancelled until morale improves"
Brilliant.
This is certainly not the way Herb K or Richard B run their excellent enterprises!
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From: Holland
I'll add my 2 cents for what it's worth, as I am joining Jet2 from an airline with extensive staff travel benefits, for single guys or young couples I can understand the desire for it, but for guys with families who will most likely want to travel during peak times it's a fairly useless perk, as trying to get on an aircraft using staff travel during peak holiday times you can basically forget about it, and tbh the stress of trying to do it basically ruins part of your holiday.
I personally use it alot with my current airline as I have lived thousands of miles away from home for the past 6 years.. but as Jet2 offers me a base very close to my house I'll have very little use for it so am quite happy to give it up. As I spend half my life either on aircraft or in airports, I have very little desire in spending my days off playing staff travel roulette.
I personally use it alot with my current airline as I have lived thousands of miles away from home for the past 6 years.. but as Jet2 offers me a base very close to my house I'll have very little use for it so am quite happy to give it up. As I spend half my life either on aircraft or in airports, I have very little desire in spending my days off playing staff travel roulette.
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From: My house
Maybe staff travel as in flight only isn't as useful for families, but Jet2 is pushing the holiday offering, so could perhaps be offering discounted holidays. My current lot offer up to £1700 off a holiday every year. It's small things like this, a bonus when the company does well, incremental pay scales, and some kind of share deal that would elevate Jet2 from a stepping stone to a career airline imho.
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From: uk
Philip:
Richard:
words to the effect of "why should I let you have a seat at a discount when somebody else will pay full fare".
If you look after your staff, they'll look after your customers. It's that simple.
Alba Gu Brath
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From: Merseyside
....Richard B run their excellent enterprises!
If you look after your staff, they'll look after your customers. It's that simple.
Virgin Atlantic yesterday vowed to keep its fleet flying in the face of threatened industrial action by a union which claims to represent almost three quarters of its pilots.