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From: London
I can sympathise with both sides of the debate on this. TUI is a great company so I understand where some people are coming from.
That said, I think it’s time for some perspective. Frankly, unless you’re unemployed with Xmas around the corner I struggle to feel too much emotion for those already gainfully employed and still able to pay the bills, albeit perhaps not while working for the company you may choose or sat in the seat you may wish to be in. Given time you’re move will still happen and from what I’ve seen those newly employed will joint the bottom of the seniority list anyway.
I don’t wish to belittle the concerns of people adversely affected but please spare a thought for those guys and girls that have lost their jobs. Some of whom are good mates of mine. In any case, frankly, I’d rather see the TCX folks still able to pay their mortgages than worry about what this means for me me me.
That said, I think it’s time for some perspective. Frankly, unless you’re unemployed with Xmas around the corner I struggle to feel too much emotion for those already gainfully employed and still able to pay the bills, albeit perhaps not while working for the company you may choose or sat in the seat you may wish to be in. Given time you’re move will still happen and from what I’ve seen those newly employed will joint the bottom of the seniority list anyway.
I don’t wish to belittle the concerns of people adversely affected but please spare a thought for those guys and girls that have lost their jobs. Some of whom are good mates of mine. In any case, frankly, I’d rather see the TCX folks still able to pay their mortgages than worry about what this means for me me me.
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BALPA work is not easy for a reason, that reason is often because difficult and challenging situations need to be addressed. The more pleasant problems of rapid growth in this case.. TUI Airways remains one of / the best job in Aviation
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From: Button Moon
Absolutely. My sentiment applies to anyone already currently employed and able to pay the bills, even though it may not be at the airline or base of ones choosing. Those who've lost their job have my sincerest sympathy and above all else I'd like to see them re-employed as soon as humanly possible. If that comes at the cost of someone else waiting for a move to another airline a bit longer or another 12 months in the RHS, so be it. Theres bigger things in life and more at stake than moving from one shade of brown to another or doing the same job while sitting 2ft to the left.
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From: Barcelona
The more strident posts that were bordering on libellous were edited or deleted by the member. Obviously to a greater extent than PPRUNE the forum has to be correctly managed. The trouble with forums or organisations is "the few" potentially making the situation wholly unpleasant.
BALPA work is not easy for a reason, that reason is often because difficult and challenging situations need to be addressed. The more pleasant problems of rapid growth in this case.. TUI Airways remains one of / the best job in Aviation
BALPA work is not easy for a reason, that reason is often because difficult and challenging situations need to be addressed. The more pleasant problems of rapid growth in this case.. TUI Airways remains one of / the best job in Aviation
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From: London
Short term emotional responses don’t often work in the Airline business
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From: Manchester, UK
You’ve asked them all then, have you, mixmaster? TUI’s every possible course of action, including doing nothing carried a risk. The greatest of which arguably would have been slowly expanding into market share already taken by a faster- moving competitor.
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From: Barcelona
Leo fair play you must have thought you were doing the right thing by your members. I’d say the non TR FO’s recently hired would feel aggrieved given they are paying 7k a year for 3 years for their ratings and given many will have also missed out on command due to the DEC’s who are in turn not paying for their ratings. Many other seniority based airlines can expand at short notice in an unemotional manner which respects seniority. Expansion appears to be a false flag in this instance. In an airline which is based on probably the least worst promotional system - Seniority has to stand for something.
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From: U.K
I believe the FO's are paying for their type ratings, not sure about the DEC's but happy to be corrected. I have friends that have waited patiently in the talent pool for a very long time, given course dates back in the summer for the new year (well over the normal 3 month notice period) and now find themselves potentially 60+ seniority places behind fast-tracked pilots. They are happy BALPA have looked after unemployed members from TCX, no one wishes anyone to be in a situation of unemployment, however as seniority seems to be king in terms of bases, redundancy and promotion, its a tough one to accept for them given they applied well over a year ago, have patiently waited in the talent pool for a call and have now seen hopes of a main base dual fleet go up in smoke, regional bases were only on offer when the calls were made yet now main bases are being offered to new joiners. The hope is this expansion goes very well but where are these extra aircraft coming from?
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From: big green wheely bin
DECs are paying (bonded) for their type rating as well. As for aircraft, your guess is as good as mine, I do wonder if they are hoping the Max will be back in service by summer 2020.
It’s a !!!!ty deal for your friends. All I can say is that no one wanted this. I imagine the vast majority of those pilots would have been much happier if TCX had carried on.
It’s a !!!!ty deal for your friends. All I can say is that no one wanted this. I imagine the vast majority of those pilots would have been much happier if TCX had carried on.
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From: Brexland
Look up the page at the BA thread and you will realise Balpa had no real part in this decision. Let's be real, I'm sure the CC etc were TOLD what was happening, but they don't have any power.
TUI had no choice, fail to act and J2 would have snapped up those 100 pilots and be breathing even deeper down their collars than they already are, particularly at MAN. J2 will have their own challenges at merging the TCX guys trust me. The good news is these TCX guys have got jobs where they want to be based, the 'bad' news is that seniority has again been exposed for what it is, a sham, at least in the UK anyway.
TUI had no choice, fail to act and J2 would have snapped up those 100 pilots and be breathing even deeper down their collars than they already are, particularly at MAN. J2 will have their own challenges at merging the TCX guys trust me. The good news is these TCX guys have got jobs where they want to be based, the 'bad' news is that seniority has again been exposed for what it is, a sham, at least in the UK anyway.
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From: London
Look up the page at the BA thread and you will realise Balpa had no real part in this decision. Let's be real, I'm sure the CC etc were TOLD what was happening, but they don't have any power.
TUI had no choice, fail to act and J2 would have snapped up those 100 pilots and be breathing even deeper down their collars than they already are, particularly at MAN. J2 will have their own challenges at merging the TCX guys trust me. The good news is these TCX guys have got jobs where they want to be based, the 'bad' news is that seniority has again been exposed for what it is, a sham, at least in the UK anyway.
TUI had no choice, fail to act and J2 would have snapped up those 100 pilots and be breathing even deeper down their collars than they already are, particularly at MAN. J2 will have their own challenges at merging the TCX guys trust me. The good news is these TCX guys have got jobs where they want to be based, the 'bad' news is that seniority has again been exposed for what it is, a sham, at least in the UK anyway.
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From: Bangor Co.Down
Any off the Non TCX folks who went for assessment heard anything back from a couple of weeks ago?
Have job and knew the TCX folks would be taken rapidly but still waiting to hear about the assessment? Would like to know either way?
cheers all 👍
Have job and knew the TCX folks would be taken rapidly but still waiting to hear about the assessment? Would like to know either way?
cheers all 👍
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From: London
yup, got the email saying into the Talent Pool. I’m scratching my head slightly as they said they would certainly phone by the end of the month rather than email.
