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Old 17th Oct 2019, 20:08
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Is it even legal to discriminate in such an overt way? Tesco are recruiting for shelf stackers but only ex-Asda employees can apply - it’s the same thing in my eyes. In fact, thinking about it, it’s even worse because TUi are limiting their DEC recruitment to pilots from only one employer who are not even rated on the TUi types. I think if I was in the market for a DEC position and not ex-Tcx I’d have a very strong legal case, I’m even more amazed that BALPA seem happy with this arrangement.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 22:19
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Originally Posted by Too Few Stripes View Post
Is it even legal to discriminate in such an overt way? Tesco are recruiting for shelf stackers but only ex-Asda employees can apply - itís the same thing in my eyes. In fact, thinking about it, itís even worse because TUi are limiting their DEC recruitment to pilots from only one employer who are not even rated on the TUi types. I think if I was in the market for a DEC position and not ex-Tcx Iíd have a very strong legal case, Iím even more amazed that BALPA seem happy with this arrangement.
They get around it one way or the other. Must be available immediately. Must have previous IT charter experience. Must have CAT C airfield experience. Must have flown an Boeing 321 NG within the last month.

It's a dirty game. Been in it for 30 years.

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Old 18th Oct 2019, 03:59
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Indeed, if limited training capacity is the justification, why is it restricted to TCX who are almost all needing a full type rating ... while there are many very experienced type rated captains, some of whom are under threat of redundancy or significant upheaval, who would leap at the opportunity, and burden the training capacity far less, or TUI copilots who could upgrade, and be replaced by external type rated FOs.
This is gonna get really messy. Not doubting anyone's professionalism or skill but older people with a new TR especially if they've never flown a Boeing before is generally speaking, a bad recipe and one that breeds resentment amongst high time on type FOs. CRM issues will creep in if not handled carefully. Not a problem at some carriers but in a seniority driven, age-old UK company this will be complex. Also, in case of a downturn and job losses (unlikely I agree) I would imagine a former TCX Captain would have to be made redundant (instead of being demoted) before a high ranking TUI FO?
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 04:23
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Don't think you have the right argument here. As I understand it they are recruiting TCX flight crew along with their Airbus aircraft as there are no spare B738 easily available to capture the unsatisfied demand next year. TUI training couldn't cope with 50 conversion courses this winter anyway....
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 07:08
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I’ve just checked the advert for ex-TCX DEC, it very specifically states “All positions will be on the B737”. You’ll be struggling to find any 737 experience with ex-Tcx pilots so there is most definitely a training burden associated with this.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 08:01
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Originally Posted by Too Few Stripes View Post
Iíve just checked the advert for ex-TCX DEC, it very specifically states ďAll positions will be on the B737Ē. Youíll be struggling to find any 737 experience with ex-Tcx pilots so there is most definitely a training burden associated with this.
Of course there will be a training burden. And no most TCX guys wonít have 737 time, but what they will have is 1000s of Boeing hours, massive experience flying the same routes from the same places. For an airline that NEEDS to expand that is manner from heaven.

Youíve made it quite obvious that itís a huge problem to you, so for that reason I genuinely hope it is managed well and your arenít as disadvantaged as you obviously fear. If it is well managed then itís an opportunity for all.

That said, the deal is so unappealing in many respects you may well get your wish anyway!
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 10:12
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Hi guys

I have an assessment day next month. If anybody is reading this who went to this type of selection during the last round of recruitment with Thomson then I'd really appreciate some feedbacks on what to expect to aid my preparation. Has anybody been to their current assessments already or do you have one soon? Available via PM if needed

I'm particularly interested in what the technical test entails. ATPL theory or aptitude/maths verbal reasoning or a combination of both? Maybe type specific questions on type?

Thank you in advance for your help,

Good flights to all !
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 17:19
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Good evening! Does anyone know what is the sitaution with the talent pool at the moment? How many swimmers are out there or what is the time to being offered a position, for type rated FO's?

Many thanks!
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 20:03
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Originally Posted by Daily Dalaman Dave View Post


Of course there will be a training burden. And no most TCX guys wonít have 737 time, but what they will have is 1000s of Boeing hours, massive experience flying the same routes from the same places. For an airline that NEEDS to expand that is manner from heaven.

Youíve made it quite obvious that itís a huge problem to you, so for that reason I genuinely hope it is managed well and your arenít as disadvantaged as you obviously fear. If it is well managed then itís an opportunity for all.

That said, the deal is so unappealing in many respects you may well get your wish anyway!
I know some are turning TUI down for other options because the deal is so bad.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 20:29
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Are you able to post the deal on offer for the DECs?
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Old 11th Nov 2019, 18:42
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Allegedly the TUI BALPA forum is being moderated to remove all discussion surrounding alleged conflict of interest surrounding BALPA CC and recruitment of TCX DEC. Seems more like a tinpot dictatorship than a democratic organisation at the moment.
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Old 11th Nov 2019, 18:58
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They are working on many forums...
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 12:20
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Originally Posted by The Mixmaster View Post
Allegedly the TUI BALPA forum is being moderated to remove all discussion surrounding alleged conflict of interest surrounding BALPA CC and recruitment of TCX DEC. Seems more like a tinpot dictatorship than a democratic organisation at the moment.
Hi Mixmaster

What a load of tripe. No good deed goes unpunished on social media. The truth is that BALPA actively sought to provide help, instruction and opportunities for Thomas Cook Pilots post the collapse of that fantastic airline. The TUI CC has acted to support the speculative acquisition of market share and talent. Time to Command was already down to 4.5 years, that's aside from the obvious practical issues in getting many new aircraft in the sky by May 2020. Taking the "fight" to Jet2 and easyJet

So let's stick to the up sides. The ex Thomas Cook Pilots are being added to the very bottom of the Date of Joining Seniority List and that was post an all TUI Pilot Bid. Current TUI Pilots are going to get more opportunities not less: 40+ command courses this winter alone. A weeks is a long time in UK Aviation, it was ever thus, so let's see how this ambitious expansion goes.

For my money I wish the new joiner Pilots a long a fruitful career within the travel giant TUI Group

Best regards - Captain Leo Nugent TUI CC / NEC
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 17:08
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Although expansion is good news, I think there are questions being asked about the actions taken that both the company and the union seem reluctant to answer.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 17:18
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Fire away - any questions that don't involve slander, libel, etc. I'll answer
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 18:43
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Good post LeoN. If there is no impact to TUI FO's Command opportunity its a win-win or just Nigels just doing what they do best....
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 19:00
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Good news in terms of expansion and the reported 2 million extra seats. Market share is key. Are there extra aircraft planned to be arriving as part of the expansion though?
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 08:59
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Yes - the business is apparently trying to source new hulls, new routes and new airport contracts / slots
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 10:10
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Bear in mind that many TC guys may now be sitting on multiple job offers. Tui have moved fairly quickly, but the terms are the weakest. Jet2 seem to have started getting offers out this week. For an FO there is almost £20k difference between the 2 companies..

Having committed to expansion, they may not get everyone they want/need to join at this point.

I don't know what contingency they have, clearly non TC people, currently in a job are unlikely to be able to join TUI inside of 3 months, nor would be willing to accept chopped down part year part time stuff.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 15:35
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Bear in mind that many TC guys may now be sitting on multiple job offers. Tui have moved fairly quickly, but the terms are the weakest. Jet2 seem to have started getting offers out this week. For an FO there is almost £20k difference between the 2 companies..

Having committed to expansion, they may not get everyone they want/need to join at this point.

I don't know what contingency they have, clearly non TC people, currently in a job are unlikely to be able to join TUI inside of 3 months, nor would be willing to accept chopped down part year part time stuff.
I suspect what will happen is that TUI will have offered jobs to the 50 best TC DECs. These pilots will be the ones who represent the very best in their profession. No doubt they will have attended several interviews and will be fortunate enough to be able choose the airline they want. Inevitably, if TUIís offer is below market conditions and the best go to Jet2 etc, it will be TUIís loss. But all TUI will do is go down the Ďlistí of pilots that applied until they get 50 DEC to fly the planes and it will be the people in TUI that miss out and not the business.
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