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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 19:29
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Are you able to post the deal on offer for the DECs?
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Old 11th Nov 2019, 17:42
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Allegedly the TUI BALPA forum is being moderated to remove all discussion surrounding alleged conflict of interest surrounding BALPA CC and recruitment of TCX DEC. Seems more like a tinpot dictatorship than a democratic organisation at the moment.
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They are working on many forums...
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 11:20
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Originally Posted by The Mixmaster
Allegedly the TUI BALPA forum is being moderated to remove all discussion surrounding alleged conflict of interest surrounding BALPA CC and recruitment of TCX DEC. Seems more like a tinpot dictatorship than a democratic organisation at the moment.
Hi Mixmaster

What a load of tripe. No good deed goes unpunished on social media. The truth is that BALPA actively sought to provide help, instruction and opportunities for Thomas Cook Pilots post the collapse of that fantastic airline. The TUI CC has acted to support the speculative acquisition of market share and talent. Time to Command was already down to 4.5 years, that's aside from the obvious practical issues in getting many new aircraft in the sky by May 2020. Taking the "fight" to Jet2 and easyJet

So let's stick to the up sides. The ex Thomas Cook Pilots are being added to the very bottom of the Date of Joining Seniority List and that was post an all TUI Pilot Bid. Current TUI Pilots are going to get more opportunities not less: 40+ command courses this winter alone. A weeks is a long time in UK Aviation, it was ever thus, so let's see how this ambitious expansion goes.

For my money I wish the new joiner Pilots a long a fruitful career within the travel giant TUI Group

Best regards - Captain Leo Nugent TUI CC / NEC
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 16:08
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Although expansion is good news, I think there are questions being asked about the actions taken that both the company and the union seem reluctant to answer.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 16:18
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Fire away - any questions that don't involve slander, libel, etc. I'll answer
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 17:43
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Good post LeoN. If there is no impact to TUI FO's Command opportunity its a win-win or just Nigels just doing what they do best....
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 18:00
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Good news in terms of expansion and the reported 2 million extra seats. Market share is key. Are there extra aircraft planned to be arriving as part of the expansion though?
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 07:59
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Yes - the business is apparently trying to source new hulls, new routes and new airport contracts / slots
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 09:10
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Bear in mind that many TC guys may now be sitting on multiple job offers. Tui have moved fairly quickly, but the terms are the weakest. Jet2 seem to have started getting offers out this week. For an FO there is almost £20k difference between the 2 companies..

Having committed to expansion, they may not get everyone they want/need to join at this point.

I don't know what contingency they have, clearly non TC people, currently in a job are unlikely to be able to join TUI inside of 3 months, nor would be willing to accept chopped down part year part time stuff.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 14:35
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Originally Posted by horsebox
Bear in mind that many TC guys may now be sitting on multiple job offers. Tui have moved fairly quickly, but the terms are the weakest. Jet2 seem to have started getting offers out this week. For an FO there is almost £20k difference between the 2 companies..

Having committed to expansion, they may not get everyone they want/need to join at this point.

I don't know what contingency they have, clearly non TC people, currently in a job are unlikely to be able to join TUI inside of 3 months, nor would be willing to accept chopped down part year part time stuff.
I suspect what will happen is that TUI will have offered jobs to the 50 best TC DECs. These pilots will be the ones who represent the very best in their profession. No doubt they will have attended several interviews and will be fortunate enough to be able choose the airline they want. Inevitably, if TUI’s offer is below market conditions and the best go to Jet2 etc, it will be TUI’s loss. But all TUI will do is go down the ‘list’ of pilots that applied until they get 50 DEC to fly the planes and it will be the people in TUI that miss out and not the business.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 15:15
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Your suspicions are correct.....
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 19:48
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Originally Posted by LeoNugent
Hi Mixmaster

What a load of tripe. No good deed goes unpunished on social media. The truth is that BALPA actively sought to provide help, instruction and opportunities for Thomas Cook Pilots post the collapse of that fantastic airline. The TUI CC has acted to support the speculative acquisition of market share and talent. Time to Command was already down to 4.5 years, that's aside from the obvious practical issues in getting many new aircraft in the sky by May 2020. Taking the "fight" to Jet2 and easyJet

So let's stick to the up sides. The ex Thomas Cook Pilots are being added to the very bottom of the Date of Joining Seniority List and that was post an all TUI Pilot Bid. Current TUI Pilots are going to get more opportunities not less: 40+ command courses this winter alone. A weeks is a long time in UK Aviation, it was ever thus, so let's see how this ambitious expansion goes.

For my money I wish the new joiner Pilots a long a fruitful career within the travel giant TUI Group

Best regards - Captain Leo Nugent TUI CC / NEC
So posts were not deleted on TUI BALPA forum relating to alleged conflict of interest?
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 15:46
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Just saw the TUI social media update, the ex TCX pilots welcome day. So they hired 100?? Shall we assume the 2020 slots are all gone? How many pilots were they planning to take? As I have the feeling I’ve missed this train again...
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 07:24
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Originally Posted by Raph737
Just saw the TUI social media update, the ex TCX pilots welcome day. So they hired 100?? Shall we assume the 2020 slots are all gone? How many pilots were they planning to take? As I have the feeling I’ve missed this train again...
I'm pretty sure you are wrong. More take up in the early part of next year planned.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 08:07
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Originally Posted by Raph737
Just saw the TUI social media update, the ex TCX pilots welcome day. So they hired 100?? Shall we assume the 2020 slots are all gone? How many pilots were they planning to take? As I have the feeling I’ve missed this train again...

I think it’s safe to say that what TUI is offering is not attractive, a lot of the TCX guys/girls have taken it until something better comes along, a lot are in process with other airlines for interview and should they get the offer I am sure they will be more spaces in TUI to fill.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 09:03
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Well the photo shows 100 pilots holding their wings up! They never take more than that, hence my question. They were adamant in the assessment day that we could be in the talent pool for 12 months. There are already guys waiting for several months in the pool, and there were people who applied earlier in the year, prior to TCX demise. Struggle to see how fair it is to wait so long for the assessments and then being by passed in this manner.
That leaves a lot of people in limbo, the same way many ex TCX guys could jump ship, other guys who are rated and ready could go elsewhere if left in the dark for too long. I think I have the right to be disappointed but such is life, accept and move on.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 10:33
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I think I have the right to be disappointed but such is life, accept and move on.
Good idea.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 12:32
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Good idea.
You should take the advice too...things won’t get any better for us at the Irish giant, reasons I applied to TUI. But I don’t think that diminishing people’s opinions on this matter online will help your cause, or mine.
Food for thought buddy!
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 12:48
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I can sympathise with both sides of the debate on this. TUI is a great company so I understand where some people are coming from.

That said, I think it’s time for some perspective. Frankly, unless you’re unemployed with Xmas round the corner I struggle to feel too much emotion for those already gainfully employed and still able to pay the bills, albeit perhaps not while working for the company you may choose or sat in the seat you may wish to be in. Given time you’re move will still happen and from what I’ve seen those newly employed will joint the bottom of the seniority list anyway.

I don’t wish to belittle the concerns of people adversely affected but please spare a thought for those guys and girls that have lost their jobs. Some of whom are good mates of mine. In any case, frankly I’d rather see the TCX folks still able to pay their mortgages than worry about what this means for me me me.
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