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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 17:19
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Good evening! Does anyone know what is the sitaution with the talent pool at the moment? How many swimmers are out there or what is the time to being offered a position, for type rated FO's?

Many thanks!
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 20:03
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Originally Posted by Daily Dalaman Dave View Post


Of course there will be a training burden. And no most TCX guys wonít have 737 time, but what they will have is 1000s of Boeing hours, massive experience flying the same routes from the same places. For an airline that NEEDS to expand that is manner from heaven.

Youíve made it quite obvious that itís a huge problem to you, so for that reason I genuinely hope it is managed well and your arenít as disadvantaged as you obviously fear. If it is well managed then itís an opportunity for all.

That said, the deal is so unappealing in many respects you may well get your wish anyway!
I know some are turning TUI down for other options because the deal is so bad.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 20:29
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Are you able to post the deal on offer for the DECs?
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Old 11th Nov 2019, 18:42
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Allegedly the TUI BALPA forum is being moderated to remove all discussion surrounding alleged conflict of interest surrounding BALPA CC and recruitment of TCX DEC. Seems more like a tinpot dictatorship than a democratic organisation at the moment.
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Old 11th Nov 2019, 18:58
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They are working on many forums...
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 12:20
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Originally Posted by The Mixmaster View Post
Allegedly the TUI BALPA forum is being moderated to remove all discussion surrounding alleged conflict of interest surrounding BALPA CC and recruitment of TCX DEC. Seems more like a tinpot dictatorship than a democratic organisation at the moment.
Hi Mixmaster

What a load of tripe. No good deed goes unpunished on social media. The truth is that BALPA actively sought to provide help, instruction and opportunities for Thomas Cook Pilots post the collapse of that fantastic airline. The TUI CC has acted to support the speculative acquisition of market share and talent. Time to Command was already down to 4.5 years, that's aside from the obvious practical issues in getting many new aircraft in the sky by May 2020. Taking the "fight" to Jet2 and easyJet

So let's stick to the up sides. The ex Thomas Cook Pilots are being added to the very bottom of the Date of Joining Seniority List and that was post an all TUI Pilot Bid. Current TUI Pilots are going to get more opportunities not less: 40+ command courses this winter alone. A weeks is a long time in UK Aviation, it was ever thus, so let's see how this ambitious expansion goes.

For my money I wish the new joiner Pilots a long a fruitful career within the travel giant TUI Group

Best regards - Captain Leo Nugent TUI CC / NEC
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 17:08
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Although expansion is good news, I think there are questions being asked about the actions taken that both the company and the union seem reluctant to answer.
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 17:18
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Fire away - any questions that don't involve slander, libel, etc. I'll answer
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 18:43
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Good post LeoN. If there is no impact to TUI FO's Command opportunity its a win-win or just Nigels just doing what they do best....
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Old 12th Nov 2019, 19:00
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Good news in terms of expansion and the reported 2 million extra seats. Market share is key. Are there extra aircraft planned to be arriving as part of the expansion though?
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 08:59
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Yes - the business is apparently trying to source new hulls, new routes and new airport contracts / slots
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 10:10
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Bear in mind that many TC guys may now be sitting on multiple job offers. Tui have moved fairly quickly, but the terms are the weakest. Jet2 seem to have started getting offers out this week. For an FO there is almost £20k difference between the 2 companies..

Having committed to expansion, they may not get everyone they want/need to join at this point.

I don't know what contingency they have, clearly non TC people, currently in a job are unlikely to be able to join TUI inside of 3 months, nor would be willing to accept chopped down part year part time stuff.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 15:35
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Originally Posted by horsebox View Post
Bear in mind that many TC guys may now be sitting on multiple job offers. Tui have moved fairly quickly, but the terms are the weakest. Jet2 seem to have started getting offers out this week. For an FO there is almost £20k difference between the 2 companies..

Having committed to expansion, they may not get everyone they want/need to join at this point.

I don't know what contingency they have, clearly non TC people, currently in a job are unlikely to be able to join TUI inside of 3 months, nor would be willing to accept chopped down part year part time stuff.
I suspect what will happen is that TUI will have offered jobs to the 50 best TC DECs. These pilots will be the ones who represent the very best in their profession. No doubt they will have attended several interviews and will be fortunate enough to be able choose the airline they want. Inevitably, if TUIís offer is below market conditions and the best go to Jet2 etc, it will be TUIís loss. But all TUI will do is go down the Ďlistí of pilots that applied until they get 50 DEC to fly the planes and it will be the people in TUI that miss out and not the business.
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 16:15
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Your suspicions are correct.....
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Old 13th Nov 2019, 20:48
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Originally Posted by LeoNugent View Post
Hi Mixmaster

What a load of tripe. No good deed goes unpunished on social media. The truth is that BALPA actively sought to provide help, instruction and opportunities for Thomas Cook Pilots post the collapse of that fantastic airline. The TUI CC has acted to support the speculative acquisition of market share and talent. Time to Command was already down to 4.5 years, that's aside from the obvious practical issues in getting many new aircraft in the sky by May 2020. Taking the "fight" to Jet2 and easyJet

So let's stick to the up sides. The ex Thomas Cook Pilots are being added to the very bottom of the Date of Joining Seniority List and that was post an all TUI Pilot Bid. Current TUI Pilots are going to get more opportunities not less: 40+ command courses this winter alone. A weeks is a long time in UK Aviation, it was ever thus, so let's see how this ambitious expansion goes.

For my money I wish the new joiner Pilots a long a fruitful career within the travel giant TUI Group

Best regards - Captain Leo Nugent TUI CC / NEC
So posts were not deleted on TUI BALPA forum relating to alleged conflict of interest?
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Old 14th Nov 2019, 16:46
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Just saw the TUI social media update, the ex TCX pilots welcome day. So they hired 100?? Shall we assume the 2020 slots are all gone? How many pilots were they planning to take? As I have the feeling Iíve missed this train again...
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 08:24
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Originally Posted by Raph737 View Post
Just saw the TUI social media update, the ex TCX pilots welcome day. So they hired 100?? Shall we assume the 2020 slots are all gone? How many pilots were they planning to take? As I have the feeling Iíve missed this train again...
I'm pretty sure you are wrong. More take up in the early part of next year planned.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 09:07
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Originally Posted by Raph737 View Post
Just saw the TUI social media update, the ex TCX pilots welcome day. So they hired 100?? Shall we assume the 2020 slots are all gone? How many pilots were they planning to take? As I have the feeling Iíve missed this train again...

I think itís safe to say that what TUI is offering is not attractive, a lot of the TCX guys/girls have taken it until something better comes along, a lot are in process with other airlines for interview and should they get the offer I am sure they will be more spaces in TUI to fill.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 10:03
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Well the photo shows 100 pilots holding their wings up! They never take more than that, hence my question. They were adamant in the assessment day that we could be in the talent pool for 12 months. There are already guys waiting for several months in the pool, and there were people who applied earlier in the year, prior to TCX demise. Struggle to see how fair it is to wait so long for the assessments and then being by passed in this manner.
That leaves a lot of people in limbo, the same way many ex TCX guys could jump ship, other guys who are rated and ready could go elsewhere if left in the dark for too long. I think I have the right to be disappointed but such is life, accept and move on.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 11:33
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Originally Posted by Raph737 View Post
I think I have the right to be disappointed but such is life, accept and move on.
Good idea.
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