Thomson recruitment.

[iburnthings]

TUI

Can anyone share what a typical roster is like on the 737, in particular Manchester base? Are there many planned overnights? Do many people actually do the dual rated with 787 or stay on the 73?

Thanks!

[MrKipling]

Originally Posted by ShotOne

You’ve asked them all then, have you, mixmaster? TUI’s every possible course of action, including doing nothing carried a risk. The greatest of which arguably would have been slowly expanding into market share already taken by a faster- moving competitor.

I'm a bit late to the party on this but:
Wouldn't the company have been much better of taking rated pilots from its competitors therefore passing the training costs onto them and slowing down their competitors?

I'm not a business woman but the head of the airline is I believe, surely I'm missing something here?

[Black Pudding]

Originally Posted by wondering

Depends on the company. Some companies hire type ratings others hire people.

best post I’ve read on here for ages

[MrKipling]

Originally Posted by wondering

Depends on the company. Some companies hire type ratings others hire people.

very true, which is why companies interview and hold selection processes, so I dont understand your point.

Maybe you are saying only ex TCX pilots are any good? What about all the ex TCX folk who were turned down before even being interviewed? Who says they weren't suitable?

[richardthethird]

Originally Posted by MrKipling

very true, which is why companies interview and hold selection processes, so I dont understand your point.

Maybe you are saying only ex TCX pilots are any good? What about all the ex TCX folk who were turned down before even being interviewed? Who says they weren't suitable?

I don’t think he was saying that TCX pilots were the only good pilots out there. I think he was saying nobody would touch a RYR pilot if they didn’t have to?!

[Boeing 7E7]

Originally Posted by richardthethird

I don’t think he was saying that TCX pilots were the only good pilots out there. I think he was saying nobody would touch a RYR pilot if they didn’t have to?!

What ignorant cr@p. Some of the best pilots I’ve had the pleasure of flying with are ex Ryanair. The airline may treat its employees and public with disdain, but my experience of pilots trained by Ryanair is overwhelming positive.

[richardthethird]

That’s good to know. Very reassuring.

[VJW]

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Originally Posted by richardthethird

That’s good to know. Very reassuring.

You being reassured by a comment from someone you don’t know on a forum instead of already having the knowledge that part of Ryanair’s excellent safety record is down to the professionalism of the flight crew, says more about you really.

Having had a look at some of your previous comments only proves you have a warped opinion about Ryanair. Let me reassure you (again) Ryanair doesn’t give out commands to anyone who puts their hand up asking for one. Did you do a command there? If not, what are you basing your comments on? Nothing, just garbage you’ve read online.

Everyone is different, but if two people take the same exam and one finds it easy, that’s not because the exam was easy it’s because that person prepared well for it.

[nightfright]

Sounds like Richard you are disgruntled about RYR for a possible rejection deviously maybe. - making baseless comments gets you no where. RYR has an impeccable safety record this is a testament of their training and their crew output. The shear volume of their operation bringing together many who have unequal level command of language and operating shear volumes of varied cultures - still thriving in what they are doing - leaves you thinking airlines wouldn’t touch their pilots? Is laughable comment. It has been told several times - RYR crew were most favoured by Emirates and many Middle East airlines as well as many UK airlines. such at TUI....... TUI largely for cost and reduced risk as typed but still.....

RYR may not be the best - but they offer and so what they say...Ultimately all airlines are commercial organisations and will take all routes to enhance their bottom line. They give you a salary and perks - you choose if its for you - if not - be professional and look else where... One many’s poison is another mans sweet!

[MrKipling]

"Ultimately all airlines are commercial organisations and will take all routes to enhance their bottom line.'

That's what you would think, so why take none rated DEC when there were pilots from other airlines who were rated and more than capable of doing the job. This would have saved TUI a fortune in training costs. I would have liked the chance!

As this is the rumour network: I've heard BALPA may have had a vested interest in this, both at CC level as certain pilots got taken on and also there were more BALPA members still paying subs than if they had taken on from other airlines. Just a rumour.

Anyhow it's done, I've cancelled BALPA subs.

[ItsonlyMeagain]

TUI took on pilots in trouble as did several other airlines. A pilot in a job can get another one. An unemployed one soon loses currency, but they still have bills to pay as the task to get employed gets harder. Unless you have been in the position you cannot appreciate the strife this causes. Good on these airlines.

And as this is a rumour network.... the truth is 2 of the old CC have been employed by TUI. Should they have been excluded from applying?

And, more fool you for leaving BALPA; you will never know when you will need help.

Me

[MrKipling]

What about when Thomson made over 100 pilots redundant some years back and then didnt offer them their jobs back when they were recruiting again? I didnt see BALPA helping the unemployed ones back through the door.

It's their train set though and none of my business so I'll wind my neck in😁

[nosmo king]

Originally Posted by MrKipling

What about when Thomson made over 100 pilots redundant some years back and then didnt offer them their jobs back when they were recruiting again? I didnt see BALPA helping the unemployed ones back through the door.

It's their train set though and none of my business so I'll wind my neck in😁

your right it is their train set and it’s was Thomson’s HR department that denied giving those made redundant the automatic right to return. The managements fig leaf to those booted out was the request to keep their contact details up to date in the event they might recruit.

When recruitment did start 3 years later it was BALPA that repeatedly and pointedly asked the management to honour those comments.

Many of those that where made redundant were re-employed and many of those are now Captains.

Balpa was instrumental in protecting those pilots interests.

[MrKipling]

"Many of those that where made redundant were re-employed and many of those are now Captains."

I am reliably informed that it was less than 10 of the over 100 made redundant that got their jobs back and then only after having go through a full selection process. Obviously there would be some who didn't want yo go back but .....

So I suggest you check your facts.

Over and out.

[pudoc]

Originally Posted by MrKipling

"Many of those that where made redundant were re-employed and many of those are now Captains."

I am reliably informed that it was less than 10 of the over 100 made redundant that got their jobs back and then only after having go through a full selection process. Obviously there would be some who didn't want yo go back but .....

So I suggest you check your facts.

Over and out.

Correct. And those pilots who re-joined did so with a lower seniority and on a new, lower pay scale.

I find it hard to agree that “BALPA was instrumental in protecting these pilots interests”.

[High Viz Vest]

The company did email the guys they laid off as they promised to say recruitment was open again. They then emailed them to say they weren't taking their applications further because they were no longer current on the 737 (although they would have been still rated). The union did apparently complain about this and 6 of the 130 (ish) who were made redundant got back in after a full selection process. The next intake after these 6 were the cadets they had employed after they made the 130 redundant.

So I guess you could say that BALPA might of helped 6 guys back into the firm. Not very impressive though is it? So Nosmo King: "Many of those that where made redundant were re-employed and many of those are now Captains." I think you are over stating the facts.

[midnight cruiser]

So, Thomson ...

​​​​​​- Furlough, with no priority return
- non-vocationally preferential hiring for favoured groups.
- DEC to same favoured folk without opening it to other type rated and equally, or more experienced pilots, even though the former have no rating. And over command ready internal FOs.
- pay deductions for training costs, even if you are type rated
- seasonal peak season only employment, only going full time if and when vacancies appear.

On the face of it, Thomson's ambition appears to be the bottom marker in the market? Or is the grubby hand of balpa more to blame?

[High Viz Vest]

The ones who were set on after being made redundant had to pay £7000 for line training (something like 4 sectors of training). So I guess similar amount as the redundancy money.

[Lazydogg]

richardthethird: That’s why TUI, BA , Emirates, Qatar , Jet2, Norwegian, have taken 100s of ex Ryanair pilots. Sciolist comes to mind. The airlines that have taken most of the Irish and UK pilots that I know are BA and TUI and Jet2.

Of course those three will let anyone fly their aircraft........

[Byrne11]

Does anyone have any Knowledge on the part time Winter contracts they’re currently offering. Would that be for a sustained period of time, or simply one/two years when they have balanced the books with the influx of TCX folks.