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Old 16th Aug 2019, 11:12
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Some pilots with joining dates of early 2013 are pencilled in for command courses this winter. Donít think you can infer from that, that pilots joining now can expect the same in 2025. Although itís unlikely to be earlier than that, it could be considerably later.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 14:23
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50 ex TCX skippers to be employed in time for S20
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 14:28
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Originally Posted by SeaBreeze1 View Post
50 ex TCX skippers to be employed in time for S20
I imagine there are some very unhappy FOs waiting for their command. BALPA strikes again.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 14:30
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I imagine there are some very unhappy FOs waiting for their command. BALPA strikes again.
Does it matter? I thought the process is still based on seniority.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 15:35
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Does it matter? I thought the process is still based on seniority.
It does matter if 50 people walk in above you . . .
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 15:40
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It does matter if 50 people walk in above you . . .
How can anyone walk in above you if they are less senior than you? Doesn't that defeats the seniority system? Unless the process it's not based on seniority, I don't see how it can affect you. I'm not a TUI employee so I honestly don't know how it works, just making and observation.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 15:57
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Not clear from Seabreeze1 post whether 50 ex tcx skippers are being employed as DEC or FO
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 18:00
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They are after 50 ex Thomas Cook DEC.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 18:46
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Originally Posted by 763 jock View Post
They are after 50 ex Thomas Cook DEC.
From the Liverpool Echo
TUI Airways will create jobs for over 100 pilots and over 200 cabin crew, with 50 Thomas Cook pilots guaranteed to fill the vacancies.

Dawn Wilson, managing director for TUI Airways said: "We are delighted that our additional flying allows us to grow our team of Ďmoment makersí at TUI Airways"Every year we welcome new cabin crew and pilots and this year is set to be our biggest and best yet.

"Iím particularly proud to be able to commit to offering over 50 Thomas Cook Captains the opportunity to join TUI Airways and continue to fly customers on their holidays.Ē


So of the 100 pilot jobs theyíre all DEC with 50 going to ex TCX? 🤔
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 20:22
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Its 100 pilots, 50 of which are TCX DEC. Who will join the bottom of the seniority list as captains. Round of applause to whoever came up with that.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 20:36
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Originally Posted by pudoc View Post
Its 100 pilots, 50 of which are TCX DEC. Who will join the bottom of the seniority list as captains. Round of applause to whoever came up with that.
Yeah I didnít make my sarcasm obvious enough. I wonder what the FOís in TUI think? Iím all for airlines bending over backwards to help our unfortunate colleagues at TCX, but at the expense of progression of employees already there is out of order really.
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 23:05
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I think if you read the communication released by TUI and by their CC it is clear that they are taking the 50 TCX skippers on because they don't have the training capacity to promote enough FO's into the left seats created by the sudden rapid and unexpected expansion of their s20 operation. Now, in a balanced world the TUI FO's in the command pool may feel aggrieved, but had TCX not gone bust it is likely that the same number of them will have got upgraded as will now. Handled badly, this could really sour industrial relations, but it really shouldn't if sufficient effort is made to explain to the TUI FO's that they have not been disadvantaged. Sadly, history tends to not show that hese things are handled well, so fingers crossed eh?
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Old 10th Oct 2019, 23:27
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Airline managers will do what they want to make a profit. Make no mistake, your career aspirations mean nothing to them.

This will be sold to the TUI pilots as being far better than 3rd party ACMI being used to fill the void. Either way, the result is the same.


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Old 11th Oct 2019, 00:28
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Originally Posted by 763 jock View Post
Airline managers will do what they want to make a profit. Make no mistake, your career aspirations mean nothing to them.

This will be sold to the TUI pilots as being far better than 3rd party ACMI being used to fill the void. Either way, the result is the same.

Totally correct. The fleet preference has always been Boeing and this is obviously a short term plug - Good move from TUI to secure airframes and crew at a lower price and to grow ...... This will no doubt leave significant backlash from existing crew but surely the DEC or Crews will be joining bottom of the rank - nevertheless this will significantly increase the time to command for experienced FOs
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 00:49
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Originally Posted by macdo View Post
I think if you read the communication released by TUI and by their CC it is clear that they are taking the 50 TCX skippers on because they don't have the training capacity to promote enough FO's into the left seats created by the sudden rapid and unexpected expansion of their s20 operation. Now, in a balanced world the TUI FO's in the command pool may feel aggrieved, but had TCX not gone bust it is likely that the same number of them will have got upgraded as will now. Handled badly, this could really sour industrial relations, but it really shouldn't if sufficient effort is made to explain to the TUI FO's that they have not been disadvantaged. Sadly, history tends to not show that hese things are handled well, so fingers crossed eh?
I am 100 percent certain I know what the TUI FOs I have spoken with today would say to that. Those same TUI FOs who have waited patiently for command opportunities that are scarce enough as it is. Apparently some of them (up until 1330ish today) have heard nothing yet from the CC. If thatís true, itís a disgrace in my opinion. If TCX pilots want to join TUI then they should be joining at the bottom of the list as FOs like the existing guys and girls did. Some of the FOs donít even know if the CRB has sat yet, and what it all means in terms of their potential career progression going forward.
I have always shrugged my shoulders and said ďdecent career move canít knock itĒ when many an FO Iíve flown with over the last number of years has said they are joining TUI. For whatís itís worth I wonít be anymore if this shambles goes ahead. I wish no bad on the TCX guys, but I genuinely feel for the guys in the RHS at TUI.

Its absolutely wrong and you know it MACDO. Would this have happened in TCX if the roles were reversed?

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Old 11th Oct 2019, 05:47
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If TUI are getting extra aircraft at short notice then yes it makes sense i'm afraid - if you promote 50 TUI FO you also need to recruit 50 FO to replace them and 50 for the extra aircraft.
TUI are taking advantage of TC demise and why shouldn't they. The thing TUI must do however is keep promoting FO's for the current establishment such that the current (loyal) FO's are not discriminated against. I'm sure BALPA have put this message over strongly. They should also say that should any of the 50 DEC leave then they are replaced by TUI FO rather than more DEC such that the (loyal) FO's benefit again.
This is NNUTS - Nothing New Under The Sun - many other airlines have done this before
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 06:40
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Did Tui do a similar thing back in 2004( roughly) with the creation of Thomsonfly? What happened then? I can’t remember, I’m not with Tui.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 06:53
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This happened at BA when British Midland disappeared and there were restrictions on what the direct entry captains could do. Subsequently not all were happy with their lot. It would be interesting to know how that has developed. Given the airbus versus boeing split with TC and Thomson I wonder what they are going to be flying?
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 07:01
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Seen why they have done it but totally disagree with it. Always saw it coming this though TBH.
what if another credit crunch happens or the Brexit things explodes? Another 5yrs waiting! With guys junior to you making a lot more cash and holding Lhs.
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Old 11th Oct 2019, 08:11
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There are no Boeing pilots from TCX. It has been all Airbus for a while. A handful might be able to do a quick LPC to get the 757 renewed. But only a few.

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