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Yes I do understand the difference. And your point is what exactly? There's no point in quoting hourly rates or gross figures when individual pilots are being hit for the EMPLOYERS portion of social security in a country they don't even choose to live and will never benefit from a pension there.
What matters is what people TAKE HOME and yes I do understand that is net before you get your knickers in a twist.
Captains TAKE HOME as little as 3000 euros a month when you consider their own personal operating costs and extra living expenses from having to run another flat and a car at their base.
And yes some first officers will take home little more than 1000 euros during winter months when you look at the overall cost to them too.
What matters is what people TAKE HOME and yes I do understand that is net before you get your knickers in a twist.
Captains TAKE HOME as little as 3000 euros a month when you consider their own personal operating costs and extra living expenses from having to run another flat and a car at their base.
And yes some first officers will take home little more than 1000 euros during winter months when you look at the overall cost to them too.
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"the market is good right now so make the most of it whilst it lasts fellas."
This is the quote of the day, thank you themanthelegend.
Dirk, you told it yourself, you do not work for Ryanair , and it shows as you talk absolute nonsense
The market it getting better by the day and there are still countries and companies that treat you with respect and for which you feel proud to work for even if it means moving to the sand or the east. Flying can still be a great career like it was 2-3 decades ago before 9-11, but you need to find it in the above mentioned places.
For the pink glasses types:I have seen the greatest optimists changing into the opposite within months of joining.
Feel free to choose if you want to join them or not, but do not say you have not been warned by all the postings on these forums.
If you want to join, now is probably the best time as many have moved to greener pastures, but it sure is no rose garden here.
as always my own opinion.
This is the quote of the day, thank you themanthelegend.
Dirk, you told it yourself, you do not work for Ryanair , and it shows as you talk absolute nonsense
The market it getting better by the day and there are still countries and companies that treat you with respect and for which you feel proud to work for even if it means moving to the sand or the east. Flying can still be a great career like it was 2-3 decades ago before 9-11, but you need to find it in the above mentioned places.
For the pink glasses types:I have seen the greatest optimists changing into the opposite within months of joining.
Feel free to choose if you want to join them or not, but do not say you have not been warned by all the postings on these forums.
If you want to join, now is probably the best time as many have moved to greener pastures, but it sure is no rose garden here.
as always my own opinion.
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Might be a good market but:
I am still an FO with more then 7000hrs and not able to find an operator willing to hire me as CPT. Even in carriers where they have tre that learned to fly or were checked by me...
Still many carrier continue to hire only type rated pilots....
So: too me this is still a crappy market.
Back on topoc: anybody heard anything after applying?
I am still an FO with more then 7000hrs and not able to find an operator willing to hire me as CPT. Even in carriers where they have tre that learned to fly or were checked by me...
Still many carrier continue to hire only type rated pilots....
So: too me this is still a crappy market.
Back on topoc: anybody heard anything after applying?
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All of them, I would think! RYR seem short of crew everywhere. There was a recent memo that they would like to send new entrants to the less popular bases to enable those "with time in" to transfer to the bases they have been wanting so very long. While that may help stemn losses, it does make attracting new entrants more difficult, though, so it'll be interesting to see who gets priority on basing; new joiners or old staff.
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The tried and tested system in the past ,when they have been short, has been to be interviewed/accepted, and then when the offer comes, state plainly that you will only accept if given XYZ base. It worked in the past when they were short, I cannot see them sacrificing their short term needs merely to satisfy the long-term contentment of any incumbent (un)happy bunnies.
Not pretty/fair but hey, you are joining them, may as well get used to it . . .your turn will come soon enough to be on the receiving end.
In my humble opinion of course.
Not pretty/fair but hey, you are joining them, may as well get used to it . . .your turn will come soon enough to be on the receiving end.
In my humble opinion of course.
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I wouldn't be so sure this time round Capt PS. I feel the new guy in charge at Flight Ops is extremely wary of the crewing situation and how, let us just say, tender it actually is. Miracles will never happen overnight but the guy in question appears to have identified the issue and is attempting to offer some sort of olive branch. There is communication and some level of openness from flight ops. I have even heard that a new 'installation' in STN has been very forthcoming and receptive to crew gripes over basing. As I say, miracles will never happen overnight and some of the communication on offer appears to carry the same old rhetoric; but I'm trying to be positive here. He definitely deserves to be given a chance in an unenviable position.
Previous DECs (its been a while since DEFOs were taken) had been given the base of choice. I'm not saying a bit of this won't go on this time, but they now they appear wary of possible consequences. I'm guessing there'd be massive resentment among established crew, which isn't a good thing when we see the likes of Norwegian, Emirates and Etihad recruiting in vast numbers. Previous Direct Entry hiring has largely taken place when the market was poor (someone went bust and Ryanair capitalised) or when the package on offer was much better (people saw it as a sound financial decision). I'm not sure if either is the case any longer?
This time the hiring is for specific locations and it has been said that these will be the 'less popular bases.' Expect regional Italy, Poland, Greece and Morocco, to name but a few. It will be interesting to see if there are many takers? I for one would like to see a bit of experience in the right seat but I'm also realistic, knowing people's experience/opinions. Hopefully the new guy in charge is slowly turning the ship in the right direction. If so, he deserves credit.
All in my humble opinion as well
Alternatively, I might be completely deranged and it'll be back to the status quo!
Previous DECs (its been a while since DEFOs were taken) had been given the base of choice. I'm not saying a bit of this won't go on this time, but they now they appear wary of possible consequences. I'm guessing there'd be massive resentment among established crew, which isn't a good thing when we see the likes of Norwegian, Emirates and Etihad recruiting in vast numbers. Previous Direct Entry hiring has largely taken place when the market was poor (someone went bust and Ryanair capitalised) or when the package on offer was much better (people saw it as a sound financial decision). I'm not sure if either is the case any longer?
This time the hiring is for specific locations and it has been said that these will be the 'less popular bases.' Expect regional Italy, Poland, Greece and Morocco, to name but a few. It will be interesting to see if there are many takers? I for one would like to see a bit of experience in the right seat but I'm also realistic, knowing people's experience/opinions. Hopefully the new guy in charge is slowly turning the ship in the right direction. If so, he deserves credit.
All in my humble opinion as well
Alternatively, I might be completely deranged and it'll be back to the status quo!
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I hope you're right. There have been one or two decent guys in highish positions before, though, and they have a hell of a battle on their hands with the rest of the management being what they are. I've seen good CEOs parachuted into another similar company to replace one who'd cocked things up and caused mass resignations, only for them to be broken by the company's inertia and the rest of the managers' intransigence. It's a big ask to expect one man to turn the tide, and sadly the rest of the new appointments are the same old faces in new positions like a Cabinet reshuffle.
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Keep dreaming . Just another carrot I would say and they are hoping you will follow it until the recruitement is back on track.
the majority of the Captains is applying for other companies as we speak.If offered a base close to home they will probably stay, but after trying for so long without any responses to a base change request, I very much doubt they will suddenly change that Policy.
There is no effort from their side, that shows that they want you to stay, in fact their business model is based upon a system that they make money out of it's workforce:You pay your own simulator sessions(!), own typerating, your own uniform, your own crewmeal, your own hotel,no duty pay, no DH pay, no pay for attending courses, sent to a base you do not want , zero hour contracts, no sick pay, no pension etc.
The Policy is you should leave asap, so new cadets could be hired on which a lot of money can be made...is has worked this system,in the past, but now so many are leaving and mostly captains and experienced FO's it is becoming noticable around the network, with most doing around 90-100 hrs a month, that something needs to change.
The idea that the pilots are an asset not a burden has not reached the higher echelons yet: it is much cheaper to keep good pilots then trying to find new ones...
and offering new pilots bases that the current workforce wants is not going to help the current pilots deciding to stay so it will actually work counterproductive.
My own personal opinion that is(and of many others I speak to)
the majority of the Captains is applying for other companies as we speak.If offered a base close to home they will probably stay, but after trying for so long without any responses to a base change request, I very much doubt they will suddenly change that Policy.
There is no effort from their side, that shows that they want you to stay, in fact their business model is based upon a system that they make money out of it's workforce:You pay your own simulator sessions(!), own typerating, your own uniform, your own crewmeal, your own hotel,no duty pay, no DH pay, no pay for attending courses, sent to a base you do not want , zero hour contracts, no sick pay, no pension etc.
The Policy is you should leave asap, so new cadets could be hired on which a lot of money can be made...is has worked this system,in the past, but now so many are leaving and mostly captains and experienced FO's it is becoming noticable around the network, with most doing around 90-100 hrs a month, that something needs to change.
The idea that the pilots are an asset not a burden has not reached the higher echelons yet: it is much cheaper to keep good pilots then trying to find new ones...
and offering new pilots bases that the current workforce wants is not going to help the current pilots deciding to stay so it will actually work counterproductive.
My own personal opinion that is(and of many others I speak to)
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