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Indeed.200 hr fo's cannot fly and the question is if they ever will as hand flying is not encouraged for the same reason,and the question is if the paying public should be exposed to an completely inexpercienced pilot learning to fly an airliner aircraft.
The american system is often critised but i believe they have the one of the most experienced pilots in the cockpit in the world.
And before all the loco 3000 hr captains (soon 2500 hr captains)start jumping up: yes you were a a 200 hr co too, but unlike the typerating you bought, experience is not for sale..nor is any of your 1500 hrs so called picus time of any real value.
The FAA has a point, 1500 hrs should be a minimum.a co-pilot should be an assistent not a student , the job is demanding enough as it is.
My personal opinion that is
The american system is often critised but i believe they have the one of the most experienced pilots in the cockpit in the world.
And before all the loco 3000 hr captains (soon 2500 hr captains)start jumping up: yes you were a a 200 hr co too, but unlike the typerating you bought, experience is not for sale..nor is any of your 1500 hrs so called picus time of any real value.
The FAA has a point, 1500 hrs should be a minimum.a co-pilot should be an assistent not a student , the job is demanding enough as it is.
My personal opinion that is
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Yes, because in the last few months in the US, we haven't had:
A WN 737 written off in LGA.
A WN 737 landing at the wrong airport, very nearly being a hull loss.
A UPS A300 crash due to ineptitude on the instrument approach.
A US A320 bent (write-off) due to the pilots abhorring T/O after V1.
Seems like a great system. FAA training is a global joke.
In the US, pilots of boeings are experienced. This goes to show that experience does not equal safety.
A WN 737 written off in LGA.
A WN 737 landing at the wrong airport, very nearly being a hull loss.
A UPS A300 crash due to ineptitude on the instrument approach.
A US A320 bent (write-off) due to the pilots abhorring T/O after V1.
Seems like a great system. FAA training is a global joke.
In the US, pilots of boeings are experienced. This goes to show that experience does not equal safety.
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I was a 200 hs fresh cpl too and to be honest I wasnt qualified to handle a RHS of a 737 at that time. Probably Now neither but thats a different story. And if I was a fresh cpl now with 200 hs and ant company offers me a 737 RHS I would take it without hesitate. Everyone here would probably take the jobi. This doesnt mean I am still qualified for the job.
Building experience with different jobs is a very good career path before RHS of a big jet.
Building experience with different jobs is a very good career path before RHS of a big jet.
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Yes, because in the last few months in the US, we haven't had:
A WN 737 written off in LGA.
A WN 737 landing at the wrong airport, very nearly being a hull loss.
A UPS A300 crash due to ineptitude on the instrument approach.
A US A320 bent (write-off) due to the pilots abhorring T/O after V1.
Seems like a great system. FAA training is a global joke.
In the US, pilots of boeings are experienced. This goes to show that experience does not equal safety.
A WN 737 written off in LGA.
A WN 737 landing at the wrong airport, very nearly being a hull loss.
A UPS A300 crash due to ineptitude on the instrument approach.
A US A320 bent (write-off) due to the pilots abhorring T/O after V1.
Seems like a great system. FAA training is a global joke.
In the US, pilots of boeings are experienced. This goes to show that experience does not equal safety.
I don't think so. What is a joke is thinking passing a bunch of ATPL exams full of stupid arcane and utterly irrelevant questions but having no actual experience actually flying an airplane is a sensible system for selecting aircrew.Personally I like the idea of flying on a US airline where the brand new new hire FO has more experience than the Captain of the European LOCO Boing/Airbus....
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Hi guys here's my situation. I left ryanair only a few months ago. Joined another airline who also operates 737's from northern UK. I was told the OCC and line training will take 4-6weeks. You'll be on half pay for that time until line checked. Oh and because you have a rating it's only 10 sectors. okay! Arrive in this happy low cost carrier... now minimum of 20 sectors, and six months later... still on half pay (1500 a month) waiting for the full pay this month. It took 5 months to do two weeks of ground school, 3 days of sims and and 20 sectors. So I wonder will FR take me back as the roster is rubbish it does not facilitate a commute. The pay once on full is better I'll agree. I did leave on good terms etc.
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16024 Quote "If you object to taking home 1500 for doing nothing over the winter, go back."
Perhaps 1500 does not cover 10checks' expenses. Perhaps 10checks would rather earn more by working more and provide better for his family.
Sitting at home, doing nothing, with insufficient money is not a lot of fun.
Just suggesting.
Perhaps 1500 does not cover 10checks' expenses. Perhaps 10checks would rather earn more by working more and provide better for his family.
Sitting at home, doing nothing, with insufficient money is not a lot of fun.
Just suggesting.
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Some of the best guys I have trained have had very few hours and some of the worst have had over 10k.
Logged hours doesn't mean everything, if it's preceded by poor quality training, lax operation and questionable operators it's dangerous to think hours will save you in a problem.
Logged hours doesn't mean everything, if it's preceded by poor quality training, lax operation and questionable operators it's dangerous to think hours will save you in a problem.
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well I know in FR we had a month of earning nada... Which was one of the reasons I left. But 6months on 1500pm is just madness (9K in my hand so far and it's June!!!). If I had known I would have stayed. I feel the whole experience has left a very bad taste in my mouth and things were crap in FR but at least commuting was simple and I got to be pissed off around people who did a great job of cheering me up and seeing the positives in life. As I'm here and can't afford to commute- next stop- St John of Gods!! It's a choice over T&C's and better pay (once you get the bloody thing) over a steady commutable roster. I believe the saying 'you can't have your cake and eat it' comes nicely to play here!!
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10checks,
sorry to be so blunt, but you didn't really do your homework did you ?
I have read enough Jet2 threads on here to know what to expect (and that was merely as a totally disinterested casual bystander with no intention whatsoever of working for them . . .well ALC if it was permanent might feature on my last-ditch back up plans)
Surely, if you intended to go there you could have learned so much more before making the move, I would imagine many before you had the same experience.
Always unwise to rush headlong out of a
situation into one that turns out to be just as odious, but you failed to forecast it for lack of due diligence.
Silly Chap
sorry to be so blunt, but you didn't really do your homework did you ?
I have read enough Jet2 threads on here to know what to expect (and that was merely as a totally disinterested casual bystander with no intention whatsoever of working for them . . .well ALC if it was permanent might feature on my last-ditch back up plans)
Surely, if you intended to go there you could have learned so much more before making the move, I would imagine many before you had the same experience.
Always unwise to rush headlong out of a
situation into one that turns out to be just as odious, but you failed to forecast it for lack of due diligence.Silly Chap
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Indeed.
And you shouldn't make, or regret a career decision based on a single winter of low pay, after everything you've gone through to get to this stage.
You will be better off from now on, and no more worrying about how you're going to get to Estonia for an early start on Monday.
As for being cheered up by your oppo, it always seemed to me that the only positive note was that he/she usually had a horror story that trumped mine.
Also remember the no pay at all till the line training started, and 20 sectors? Remind me how many you had to do at FR...
And edit: to make sense of any of that it's a reply to 10checks, not captplaystation.
And you shouldn't make, or regret a career decision based on a single winter of low pay, after everything you've gone through to get to this stage.
You will be better off from now on, and no more worrying about how you're going to get to Estonia for an early start on Monday.
As for being cheered up by your oppo, it always seemed to me that the only positive note was that he/she usually had a horror story that trumped mine.
Also remember the no pay at all till the line training started, and 20 sectors? Remind me how many you had to do at FR...
And edit: to make sense of any of that it's a reply to 10checks, not captplaystation.