BA Direct Entry Pilot.
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As someone who is old enough to have has seen up close how BA responded to the impact of Gulf War 1, GW 2, 9/11 etc I will offer one bit of advice:
If you really want to leave wherever you are currently , and you really want to join BA then now is really really is not the time to finesse a joining date....... grab the first start date that BA put on the table.
YS
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SleepyBhudda,You make a very good point but these are three,four years out of school in established airlines both domestic and ME.A colleague recently witnessed the candidate’s CFIT during procedural letdown due turning the wrong way.
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From: The Winchester
Don't worry..it's only a trial 
...there's obviously no chance of screening by way of a sim being dropped for all candidates, even if a cost saving does get demonstrated....no, no chance at all..
...there's obviously no chance of screening by way of a sim being dropped for all candidates, even if a cost saving does get demonstrated....no, no chance at all..
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From: Dark side of the Moon
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From: Button Moon
but that’s another thread.
ditching the sim is a very very bad idea! I think most people at coal face are horrified.
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From: The Winchester
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From: Button Moon
The only part of the selection that actually assesses the candidate under a bit of pressure while working alongside someone they’ve probably never met and managing the day to a safe and sound outcome regardless of issues coming up here and there. Ie what we actually do every day at work.
And it’s being ditched!
That verbal reasoning garbage is obviously much more valuable!
We’ve seen some odd decisions made in the last few years dressed loosely as anything other than cost cutting, but this is by far one of the most shocking.
And it’s being ditched!
That verbal reasoning garbage is obviously much more valuable!
We’ve seen some odd decisions made in the last few years dressed loosely as anything other than cost cutting, but this is by far one of the most shocking.
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I respect your comments 2Whites 2Reds.
Do you have any idea of the Fail rate in the sim up to the time that this decision to waive the sim ride was made.
I understand it only relates to 320 applicants.
My Take is the Group Exercise is the most important element up to the sim.
Do you have any idea of the Fail rate in the sim up to the time that this decision to waive the sim ride was made.
I understand it only relates to 320 applicants.
My Take is the Group Exercise is the most important element up to the sim.
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From: Button Moon
I respect your comments 2Whites 2Reds.
Do you have any idea of the Fail rate in the sim up to the time that this decision to waive the sim ride was made.
I understand it only relates to 320 applicants.
My Take is the Group Exercise is the most important element up to the sim.
Do you have any idea of the Fail rate in the sim up to the time that this decision to waive the sim ride was made.
I understand it only relates to 320 applicants.
My Take is the Group Exercise is the most important element up to the sim.
no idea on the figures I’m afraid. Sorry, didn’t mean to snap. Wrong side of bed this morning.
Like many, I view the sim as a vital part of the recruitment process and I’m appalled they’ve decided to ditch it regardless of background or intended destination fleet. The sim has never really been about ability to fly. But more about navigating your way through a sector to a safe outcome alongside someone you’ve probably never met regardless of what’s thrown at you.
I think we could all do without the computer games and maths tests. But the sim.....bad idea.
Guess which part of the recruitment process costs the most.
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2Whites 2Reds
Absolutely correct with what you say and £6k pails into insignificance against some potential long term problem and HR should step in because it will be their headache to terminate.
Hopefully they will see sense
Someone very close to me was320 rated ,Did sim assessment and then only 4 sim details before Line Trg
If they eliminate the sim assessment they BA are taking considerable risk.
Best Wishes
Absolutely correct with what you say and £6k pails into insignificance against some potential long term problem and HR should step in because it will be their headache to terminate.
Hopefully they will see sense
Someone very close to me was320 rated ,Did sim assessment and then only 4 sim details before Line Trg
If they eliminate the sim assessment they BA are taking considerable risk.
Best Wishes
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From: surrey
Also the ability to learn/adapt as you go (looking to a future long haul TR)
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Lindsay would never have endorsed the no sim ride idea and Knight will fall on his sword when it comes back to bite him.
The BA sim assessment is different from many carriers flight test in which there are usually four candidates to process in four hours so just fifty minutes each and a blur of faces for the assessor.Fine that’s what Ryan do,Emirates ,CX and works for them.
The BA is two candidates over Five and a half hours including brief,PowerPoint and four hours in the box.
This allows the assessor ,who are chosen for their interpersonal skills to get to know their charges and say to himself a number of questions before making recommendation to accept or reject.
Perhaps the only sim ride which exceeds BA’s scrutiny is Lufty.
The BA sim assessment is different from many carriers flight test in which there are usually four candidates to process in four hours so just fifty minutes each and a blur of faces for the assessor.Fine that’s what Ryan do,Emirates ,CX and works for them.
The BA is two candidates over Five and a half hours including brief,PowerPoint and four hours in the box.
This allows the assessor ,who are chosen for their interpersonal skills to get to know their charges and say to himself a number of questions before making recommendation to accept or reject.
Perhaps the only sim ride which exceeds BA’s scrutiny is Lufty.
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From: London
Lindsay would never have endorsed the no sim ride idea and Knight will fall on his sword when it comes back to bite him.
The BA sim assessment is different from many carriers flight test in which there are usually four candidates to process in four hours so just fifty minutes each and a blur of faces for the assessor.Fine that’s what Ryan do,Emirates ,CX and works for them.
The BA is two candidates over Five and a half hours including brief,PowerPoint and four hours in the box.
This allows the assessor ,who are chosen for their interpersonal skills to get to know their charges and say to himself a number of questions before making recommendation to accept or reject.
Perhaps the only sim ride which exceeds BA’s scrutiny is Lufty.
The BA sim assessment is different from many carriers flight test in which there are usually four candidates to process in four hours so just fifty minutes each and a blur of faces for the assessor.Fine that’s what Ryan do,Emirates ,CX and works for them.
The BA is two candidates over Five and a half hours including brief,PowerPoint and four hours in the box.
This allows the assessor ,who are chosen for their interpersonal skills to get to know their charges and say to himself a number of questions before making recommendation to accept or reject.
Perhaps the only sim ride which exceeds BA’s scrutiny is Lufty.
Still, a good workout, a good challenge and utterly essential in any recruitment process I’d say.
