Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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Like many others, I threw my name in the hat and have been left disappointed. The tests even went ok, with nothing obvious sticking in my mind.
Best to be philosophical, they had to draw the line somewhere. I'm just on the wrong side of it.
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Best to be philosophical, they had to draw the line somewhere. I'm just on the wrong side of it.
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I found the tests pretty weird but I did them with the help of 2 friends at home, one of them is a TRE for a major EU airline.
And that is the main reason that culling based on online tests over which the airline has no real control is a flawed selection criterion.
And that is the main reason that culling based on online tests over which the airline has no real control is a flawed selection criterion.
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Totally agree WN. I do hope EZY employ the usual tactic of re-testing at EZY HQ. Happened to me previously with an assessment for a flying job. A big variation between two sets of data tells a story.
Last edited by McBruce; 16th May 2013 at 20:14.
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Whybyflyer, I disagree. According to a current easy captain, the workload for captains has increased due to the inexperience of the majority of FOs. It is also going to cause a huge whole in experience levels within the company. This is the reason for the recruitment of non TR'd guys and girls. Yes there are a lot of experienced pilots being told to PFO but, with over 3000 applicants that is unavoidable. I'm sure there are just as many low houred pilots getting PFOs too.
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Purely speculative so I stand to be corrected.
What is the average age and experience in the left hand seat in eJ? I would hazard a guess, 25-35 with 3,000-5,000 hours?
If so, the reason for so many with high hours being rejected might be an unwanted reversed cockpit gradient. Cannot imagine their training to want that. Having heard of people here with high hours and not being PFO'ed is leading me to think they may have too much experience but indeed perfectly match eJ's desired profile.
What they want is the perfect team player that just gels in. The higher a pilot's experience the less likely they, especially when previously flown as PIC but now in new, old role as FO again, will follow their skipper's decision making. Let's face it, there have been numerous events with crew stumbling over CRM issues and this may well be a concern for safety. Just remember a few months ago in a UK airline where two highly experienced crew (one of which with mil background) ended up arguing, resulting in both of their dismissal.
Last but not least, I am sure eJ are fully aware of many guys having thrown in their CV to only see what may come out of it...
What is the average age and experience in the left hand seat in eJ? I would hazard a guess, 25-35 with 3,000-5,000 hours?
If so, the reason for so many with high hours being rejected might be an unwanted reversed cockpit gradient. Cannot imagine their training to want that. Having heard of people here with high hours and not being PFO'ed is leading me to think they may have too much experience but indeed perfectly match eJ's desired profile.
What they want is the perfect team player that just gels in. The higher a pilot's experience the less likely they, especially when previously flown as PIC but now in new, old role as FO again, will follow their skipper's decision making. Let's face it, there have been numerous events with crew stumbling over CRM issues and this may well be a concern for safety. Just remember a few months ago in a UK airline where two highly experienced crew (one of which with mil background) ended up arguing, resulting in both of their dismissal.
Last but not least, I am sure eJ are fully aware of many guys having thrown in their CV to only see what may come out of it...
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I have not heard anything yet, but expect a PFO is on it's way. As for the conspiracy theories about avoiding more experienced candidates, I very much doubt it. Having 10000hrs of wide body command isn't going to help you with these computer tests. It's a way they believe that they can measure raw ability. Big hours does not guarantee big talent. I've taken tests like this and passed and failed them. It's smoke and mirrors as to how they are scored.
I suspect that EZY are after the usual stuff, rounded team players with commercial awareness and command potential over the medium run. Where I think this recruitment drive will get interesting is when the job offers are made. EZY, in the last five years have only recruited naive 200hr kids and guys down on their luck. I think that they believe that every pilot that has applied is desperate to work for them and can recruit who they want on whatever awful terms and conditions they decide. The lack of detailed info on T&S, from my experience points to a rubbish deal.
EZY, have always been a slightly dodgy employer and seem to have struggled with recruitment and retention in the past. Why get worked up about these tests?
I suspect that EZY are after the usual stuff, rounded team players with commercial awareness and command potential over the medium run. Where I think this recruitment drive will get interesting is when the job offers are made. EZY, in the last five years have only recruited naive 200hr kids and guys down on their luck. I think that they believe that every pilot that has applied is desperate to work for them and can recruit who they want on whatever awful terms and conditions they decide. The lack of detailed info on T&S, from my experience points to a rubbish deal.
EZY, have always been a slightly dodgy employer and seem to have struggled with recruitment and retention in the past. Why get worked up about these tests?
Last edited by Fair_Weather_Flyer; 17th May 2013 at 07:21.
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From: Hampshire physically; Perthshire and Pembrokeshire mentally.
What is the average age and experience in the left hand seat in eJ? I would hazard a guess, 25-35 with 3,000-5,000 hours?
Another thing to bear in mind is the wording of the advertisement for this recruitment. It asked for future captains. EZY is not aiming simply to fill FO vacancies in 2014. It wants people who will (reasonably quickly) be able to transition to command. It is to help fill an experience gap which has appeared and it is partly in response to continuous pressure from training captains to recruit more widely again. There are already a considerable number of FOs who joined from other A320 operators over the last couple of years or so; this recruitment is to ensure that EZY has a pool of SFOs from a wide variety backgrounds to replace the considerable number of captains who are in the autumn of their careers (I am one).
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Good post Wingswinger. As usual for Pprune there are some great theories out there but Ezy clearly have a metric, dreamed up by some boffin, which they are basing their cut off on. I am still awaiting a PFO but secretly hoping for something more positive.
As for those denigrating Ezy, all the Ezy drivers I have spoken to enjoy the job and the company. They work hard with some long days and some short days. The training is solid, the company fair and (provided they are on a perm contract) the money is good. Yes their recruitment tactics over the last 5 years have been questioned by most but now they have realised their SFOs recruited during that period have not got the skillset for Command and now they are doing something about it. Let us hope that this is the start of a wider recruitment drive for non-TR pilots.
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As for those denigrating Ezy, all the Ezy drivers I have spoken to enjoy the job and the company. They work hard with some long days and some short days. The training is solid, the company fair and (provided they are on a perm contract) the money is good. Yes their recruitment tactics over the last 5 years have been questioned by most but now they have realised their SFOs recruited during that period have not got the skillset for Command and now they are doing something about it. Let us hope that this is the start of a wider recruitment drive for non-TR pilots.
Ex-mil 3500TT 2500 fighters
