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I'm a line drive at Orange world and your statement about us not being interested about Flexicrew is complete BS. Many of us have expressed our view on this immoral practice to both management and BALPA because blind Freddie can see it's the thin edge of the wedge and will end up in those in the LHS enjoying Ryanair terms and conditions.
If you are going to make a statement like that then either get your facts right or just speak for yourself.
The general consensus is in fact that Flexicrew is possibly one of the most disgraceful things to ever happen to this industry and when you sit next to the boys and girls who are on these conditions you can see the fear in their eyes about stepping out of line and losing their precious opportunity to fly a shiny jet.
The longer WB is running operations the more blue and white this company is becoming.
I'm a line drive at Orange world and your statement about us not being interested about Flexicrew is complete BS. Many of us have expressed our view on this immoral practice to both management and BALPA because blind Freddie can see it's the thin edge of the wedge and will end up in those in the LHS enjoying Ryanair terms and conditions.
If you are going to make a statement like that then either get your facts right or just speak for yourself.
The general consensus is in fact that Flexicrew is possibly one of the most disgraceful things to ever happen to this industry and when you sit next to the boys and girls who are on these conditions you can see the fear in their eyes about stepping out of line and losing their precious opportunity to fly a shiny jet.
The longer WB is running operations the more blue and white this company is becoming.
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I too am offended by your assertion that only trainers have voiced their discontent regarding flexicrew. This is simply not true. I for one have written e mails to CMcC and others, had meetings with my Base Captain and have been very vocal in my dealing with BALPA to get this sorted. I know I am not alone.
As for uSay. Why should the management care if we are engaged at 10% or 99%. It makes no difference to them.
Do we as individuals do what we can to get the aircraft away on time? Yes.
We report before our start time to get through all the frustrations of IT and wade through the reams of paperwork. We leave the crewroom at STD-45 regardless of whether it is a CAVOK day with no MEL issues or a miserable day with various faults on the aircraft. Result high OTP therefore high engagement.
We proudly adopt the latest fuel saving measures. Increasing percentage of OETD/OETAs, flaps 3 landings and arrivals with CNR. Result decreasing fuel burn therefore high engagement.
We kid ourselves by those wishing to protest ticking the most negative comment in the uSay box but continue to do all that we can to increase OTP and fuel efficiency.
So why waste your time on a survey?
Personally, I think the company is OK for me but is a source of shame when it comes to the employment practices of our new joiners. If we wanted to demonstrate our unity to get flexicrew sorted the answer is not uSay.
I too am offended by your assertion that only trainers have voiced their discontent regarding flexicrew. This is simply not true. I for one have written e mails to CMcC and others, had meetings with my Base Captain and have been very vocal in my dealing with BALPA to get this sorted. I know I am not alone.
As for uSay. Why should the management care if we are engaged at 10% or 99%. It makes no difference to them.
Do we as individuals do what we can to get the aircraft away on time? Yes.
We report before our start time to get through all the frustrations of IT and wade through the reams of paperwork. We leave the crewroom at STD-45 regardless of whether it is a CAVOK day with no MEL issues or a miserable day with various faults on the aircraft. Result high OTP therefore high engagement.
We proudly adopt the latest fuel saving measures. Increasing percentage of OETD/OETAs, flaps 3 landings and arrivals with CNR. Result decreasing fuel burn therefore high engagement.
We kid ourselves by those wishing to protest ticking the most negative comment in the uSay box but continue to do all that we can to increase OTP and fuel efficiency.
So why waste your time on a survey?
Personally, I think the company is OK for me but is a source of shame when it comes to the employment practices of our new joiners. If we wanted to demonstrate our unity to get flexicrew sorted the answer is not uSay.
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It is great to see people standing up for our flexi colleagues.
There are, however, a awful lot more, as ADM seems to highlight, that couldn't give a monkeys ass!
We all need to stand together.
There are, however, a awful lot more, as ADM seems to highlight, that couldn't give a monkeys ass!
We all need to stand together.
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AdM, there are plenty of people caring about the flexicrew saga.
Fact: The CCs top priority this year is the issue of Flexicrew. This is based on a survey of the membership.
Do we even work in the same airline? And same base? Yes.
Fact: The CCs top priority this year is the issue of Flexicrew. This is based on a survey of the membership.
Do we even work in the same airline? And same base? Yes.
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Is the WB the same WB that got sacked from FR?
The same WB that wrote to all the FO's at STN saying that if they joined a union that they wouldn't ever get a command?
Apparently he was too radical for even Bryan Airways.
My poor Orange Souls, I do really feel for you.
BALPA has really dropped a ball on this flexicrew thing.
If the past NEC Vice-chair had not been in BA's pocket and concentrated more on the Flexicrew issue rather than her pet European Union issue (and getting herself a management job) then things might well have been different.
What do you do now though?
The same WB that wrote to all the FO's at STN saying that if they joined a union that they wouldn't ever get a command?
Apparently he was too radical for even Bryan Airways.
My poor Orange Souls, I do really feel for you.
BALPA has really dropped a ball on this flexicrew thing.
If the past NEC Vice-chair had not been in BA's pocket and concentrated more on the Flexicrew issue rather than her pet European Union issue (and getting herself a management job) then things might well have been different.
What do you do now though?
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As a few people have pointed out, we need to stand together over this flexi crew issue, it should have never of happened in the first place.
I feel sorry for the you guYs and girls who drag themselves into work when clearly they are all scared of not getting a perminent contract. I have almost sent a couple of guys home who have not been 100%.
CM WB are only Interested in the share price and are not interested in the general well being of the pilots or cabin crew.
I would say that moral is on the same par as when Andy Harrison was CEO.
Regarding new enterants contracts, this should not be allowed to happen, as sooner or later they will start Messing around with the new command contracts too. So it's in everyone's interest to say NO!
We are all professional people doing an extremely responsible job and should be awarded accordingly, we shouldn't have to flight for the basic things like a RPI pay increase to cover the general expense of existing.
I wish all the Easyjet pilot unions would work together, I.e they should all have pay negotiaons at the same time or within a few days of each other, and agree a general strike date, this would really make the company sit up and listen, as it would cost them MONEY.
UNITED WE STAND, UNITED WE FALL.
I feel sorry for the you guYs and girls who drag themselves into work when clearly they are all scared of not getting a perminent contract. I have almost sent a couple of guys home who have not been 100%.
CM WB are only Interested in the share price and are not interested in the general well being of the pilots or cabin crew.
I would say that moral is on the same par as when Andy Harrison was CEO.
Regarding new enterants contracts, this should not be allowed to happen, as sooner or later they will start Messing around with the new command contracts too. So it's in everyone's interest to say NO!
We are all professional people doing an extremely responsible job and should be awarded accordingly, we shouldn't have to flight for the basic things like a RPI pay increase to cover the general expense of existing.
I wish all the Easyjet pilot unions would work together, I.e they should all have pay negotiaons at the same time or within a few days of each other, and agree a general strike date, this would really make the company sit up and listen, as it would cost them MONEY.
UNITED WE STAND, UNITED WE FALL.
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Pilots can not fight against these flexible contracts and pay to fly programs.
In USA they are considered illegal and as long we have corrupt legislators who sleep with flight schools, TRTO and airlines managers, things are not going to change in a better way.
Europe, JAA and easa are a scheme to humanity.
We all need pills of imodium.
In USA they are considered illegal and as long we have corrupt legislators who sleep with flight schools, TRTO and airlines managers, things are not going to change in a better way.
Europe, JAA and easa are a scheme to humanity.
We all need pills of imodium.
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ROSCO 328 - Disappointed to see you being a buffoon. I thought you had more about you than that. Have a reasoned discussion by all means and produce rational arguments by way of disagreement, but plonker comments are way beneath you.
fmgc - your comments about a current pilot manager are simply not accurate. She, of all people, fought the flexicrew issue when others on the CC were not interested. She is exactly who you want in management, and I do not see her as having sold out in any way. Indeed, we need managers who are competent and capable but who are also able to see our perspective. Incidentally, numerous ex-BALPA officials have gone on to hold management appointments in the airline industry and I have no issue with it if they behave reasonably.
pitotheat - it is not my assertion that only Trainers have voiced their discontent, as it is clearly not the case. The problem is that key elements of management believe that to be the case, and that is a problem. I commend you for writing to CMcC on the issue - I hope others will do the same. I would, however, encourage anyone thinking of writing to ensure that they sound rational and educated and not produce some misspelt ramble with a pile of grammatical errors and factual inaccuracies (not for a moment suggesting your email was that by the way).
I would have to put my hand up and say that at the very beginning of the flexicrew issue some years ago, along with many others, I never saw the situation arising that we have today - sadly BALPA did not either. Nonetheless, that is where we are and a battle looms with no certain outcome. I back BALPA's position 100% and recognise that this is a battle we simply have to win. I have doubts about our legal position, and I hope there are some pretty sharp lawyers out there who will guide BALPA step by step through a potential minefield of litigation. Interesting times ahead.
fmgc - your comments about a current pilot manager are simply not accurate. She, of all people, fought the flexicrew issue when others on the CC were not interested. She is exactly who you want in management, and I do not see her as having sold out in any way. Indeed, we need managers who are competent and capable but who are also able to see our perspective. Incidentally, numerous ex-BALPA officials have gone on to hold management appointments in the airline industry and I have no issue with it if they behave reasonably.
pitotheat - it is not my assertion that only Trainers have voiced their discontent, as it is clearly not the case. The problem is that key elements of management believe that to be the case, and that is a problem. I commend you for writing to CMcC on the issue - I hope others will do the same. I would, however, encourage anyone thinking of writing to ensure that they sound rational and educated and not produce some misspelt ramble with a pile of grammatical errors and factual inaccuracies (not for a moment suggesting your email was that by the way).
I would have to put my hand up and say that at the very beginning of the flexicrew issue some years ago, along with many others, I never saw the situation arising that we have today - sadly BALPA did not either. Nonetheless, that is where we are and a battle looms with no certain outcome. I back BALPA's position 100% and recognise that this is a battle we simply have to win. I have doubts about our legal position, and I hope there are some pretty sharp lawyers out there who will guide BALPA step by step through a potential minefield of litigation. Interesting times ahead.
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She, of all people, fought the flexicrew issue when others on the CC were not interested.
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Do the Chatham House rules not allow for dissemination of information so long as the quoted party is in agreement? And providing anonymity is provided?
That is my understanding.
As a former CC member elsewhere, it was always thus.
That is my understanding.
As a former CC member elsewhere, it was always thus.
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Do the Chatham House rules not allow for dissemination of information so long as the quoted party is in agreement? And providing anonymity is provided?
I was on a CC for a long time too.
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Hey, nobody forced you to become a pilot and join easyJet.
Did the put a gun on your face? If you don't like it, leave.... I know millions of pilots who will be happy to take your place....
Did the put a gun on your face? If you don't like it, leave.... I know millions of pilots who will be happy to take your place....
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How about we put our dirty laundry away into the private forum?
stains to our neighbours thus showing how we really live rather than pretending we are " whiter than white "
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