Shenzhen Airlines Airbus Contract
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Shenzhen Airlines Airbus Contract
There are many Chinese carriers attending the job fair in Miami in February and I know Shenzhen will be represented there by WASINC. So I wanted to give my input for those considering a Airbus captain contract in China and Shenzhen airlines specifically.
I am currently working at Shenzhen Airlines on the Airbus.
As for working conditions, I am not sure if this place is better or worse than any others.
Having been here for close to three years now and having several friends working for different companies around China, I would not recommend coming to Shenzhen Airlines to fly the Airbus.
When you come to China, the airline you come to work for basically owns your certificate rights in China, by this I mean you may or may not be able to transfer to another company once you are here, but at a minimum, you will be required to complete your contract at that airline and then you may be able to get a “release letter” from the airline depending on their willingness to release you! Basically what I am saying is to choose a good airline the first time!
Some specifics about the Shenzhen Airlines contract:
Negatives:
-Pay is less than other carriers in China, for the amount of days worked
-Days off are less than other carriers in China
-If you have a kid in the local schools, they do reimburse you for $1000USD per month for tuition
-If you do not have a kid in school, you will not receive the equivalent of the tuition reimbursement, so you will receive less compensation because you don’t have kids in school here.
-Most all of your trips will be three or four day trips. If you do not have family here that may not matter, if you do, plan on being away 10-13 nights a month. Hotels are not very clean and the food situation is quite challenging. At least for me anyway!
-Commuting option is the least favorable among all othes in China 70 days on / 20 days off for $10,700 USD a month, compare that to what ALL the others are offering
-Overtime is offered but do not plan on it as the Airbus flying is quite unproductive. Often time you will not be flying but you will be sitting in a hotel on a layover somewhere.
Positives:
-Fuel savings bonus program has been in place now for several months and that can add an additional 500-1000 USD a month
-Shenzhen is fine compared to other cities I have visited in china. (it is still china) Location is great if you want a warmer climate but it is NOT Hong Kong, so don’t let them sell you on that one!
Overall the money needs to be raised but more importantly, it is the schedules that will takes it toll on you. Many days at the airport, in hotels, and away from home.
Look at all of the carriers and the contracts in China before making the leap to come over here to interview. It can and most likely will be a time consuming and frustrating experience and to start with one carrier only to have to start the process with another can be enough to make you just throw in the towel.
Hope this helps,
I am currently working at Shenzhen Airlines on the Airbus.
As for working conditions, I am not sure if this place is better or worse than any others.
Having been here for close to three years now and having several friends working for different companies around China, I would not recommend coming to Shenzhen Airlines to fly the Airbus.
When you come to China, the airline you come to work for basically owns your certificate rights in China, by this I mean you may or may not be able to transfer to another company once you are here, but at a minimum, you will be required to complete your contract at that airline and then you may be able to get a “release letter” from the airline depending on their willingness to release you! Basically what I am saying is to choose a good airline the first time!
Some specifics about the Shenzhen Airlines contract:
Negatives:
-Pay is less than other carriers in China, for the amount of days worked
-Days off are less than other carriers in China
-If you have a kid in the local schools, they do reimburse you for $1000USD per month for tuition
-If you do not have a kid in school, you will not receive the equivalent of the tuition reimbursement, so you will receive less compensation because you don’t have kids in school here.
-Most all of your trips will be three or four day trips. If you do not have family here that may not matter, if you do, plan on being away 10-13 nights a month. Hotels are not very clean and the food situation is quite challenging. At least for me anyway!
-Commuting option is the least favorable among all othes in China 70 days on / 20 days off for $10,700 USD a month, compare that to what ALL the others are offering
-Overtime is offered but do not plan on it as the Airbus flying is quite unproductive. Often time you will not be flying but you will be sitting in a hotel on a layover somewhere.
Positives:
-Fuel savings bonus program has been in place now for several months and that can add an additional 500-1000 USD a month
-Shenzhen is fine compared to other cities I have visited in china. (it is still china) Location is great if you want a warmer climate but it is NOT Hong Kong, so don’t let them sell you on that one!
Overall the money needs to be raised but more importantly, it is the schedules that will takes it toll on you. Many days at the airport, in hotels, and away from home.
Look at all of the carriers and the contracts in China before making the leap to come over here to interview. It can and most likely will be a time consuming and frustrating experience and to start with one carrier only to have to start the process with another can be enough to make you just throw in the towel.
Hope this helps,
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I'm looking for the obvious: best pay,
easiest work,
comfortable accommodations,
and decent food.
Where do I find THAT in China?
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Unfortunately, there are many pilots who are about to drink the recruitment agency kool-aid regarding employment in China. These agencies are shamefully misrepresenting the facts in order to secure their fees. In any other industry these “businesses” would be brought to account for false advertising. Agency representatives have even purported to be members of this website in an attempt to groom prospective applicants.
There are many threads detailing the pitfalls of an “opportunity of a lifetime” to “experience China”. I suggest anyone considering attending the Pan Am/WASINC sponsored, Chinese sales pitch in Miami, or any other offer of liquid refreshment regarding China, research as much as they can. Start here:
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ml#post6930683
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ml#post6897378
There are many threads detailing the pitfalls of an “opportunity of a lifetime” to “experience China”. I suggest anyone considering attending the Pan Am/WASINC sponsored, Chinese sales pitch in Miami, or any other offer of liquid refreshment regarding China, research as much as they can. Start here:
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ml#post6930683
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ml#post6897378
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I do not want to sound too negative here as people reading these posts begin to feel those of us posting are just disgruntled pilots complaining; as we usually do! 
I have no clue how the Job Fair will be conducted in Miami but there may be a pilot representative that is currently on contract with one or all of the airlines that attend. Be very careful what these pilots have to say because the are most likely not flying yet; if they were, they would not be in Miami, they would be working!! They are more than likely waiting for documents, paperwork, security clearance, etc.
So if they claim to know how things are "flying the line", if they have not, then they do not know!!
Just be careful what you listen to; that's all I'm saying.
I have no clue how the Job Fair will be conducted in Miami but there may be a pilot representative that is currently on contract with one or all of the airlines that attend. Be very careful what these pilots have to say because the are most likely not flying yet; if they were, they would not be in Miami, they would be working!! They are more than likely waiting for documents, paperwork, security clearance, etc.
So if they claim to know how things are "flying the line", if they have not, then they do not know!!
Just be careful what you listen to; that's all I'm saying.
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...there may be a pilot representative that is currently on contract...
The agency (WASINC) will select this pilot rep. based on his willingness to help sell for his own reasons.
These reasons could vary, it may be a direct commission for signing up successful applicants. The rep may get some schedule benefits and possibly a free vacation home for his services or the rep. may be trying to get the recommendation of the agency to become a foreign instructor for the particular airline. (Shenzhen Airlines)
The point of my post is to reinforce the comment above about doing your homework before choosing an airline in China. You will be speaking to used car salesmen at this job fair.
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Fuel savings bonus 
Now there's an incentive for safer flights
How about a "who departs with the highest gross weight from that short runway bonus"?
Or a "Who never makes a go-around bonus"?
Now there's an incentive for safer flights
How about a "who departs with the highest gross weight from that short runway bonus"?
Or a "Who never makes a go-around bonus"?
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de facto
Care to elaborate the uncalled for statement on a sensible response from Seat0A?
Only non pilot management can come up with such stupid idea of fuel savings bonus. Read Seat0A post carefully to appreciate some true wisdom before you endanger anyone flying on vapour into your multi million city population.
Ok..i will say it:'you are an IDIOT'.
Only non pilot management can come up with such stupid idea of fuel savings bonus. Read Seat0A post carefully to appreciate some true wisdom before you endanger anyone flying on vapour into your multi million city population.
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Break break,
Please explain why a fuel saving bonus is unsafe?i fly just the way i used to in my previous airline where there was no fuel saving bonus.
However if flying in an economical way rewards you at the end,im all for it.
How about a "who departs with the highest gross weight from that short runway bonus"?
Or a "Who never makes a go-around bonus"?
...and you call this a sensitive response??
Willy,
I aint chinese and i have no problem with the english language,i doubt his post was ironic...just blatently simplistic.
Please explain why a fuel saving bonus is unsafe?i fly just the way i used to in my previous airline where there was no fuel saving bonus.
However if flying in an economical way rewards you at the end,im all for it.
How about a "who departs with the highest gross weight from that short runway bonus"?
Or a "Who never makes a go-around bonus"?
Willy,
I aint chinese and i have no problem with the english language,i doubt his post was ironic...just blatently simplistic.
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de facto,
None of us implied flying economically (or efficiently) is unsafe. In fact, most major carriers would have good fuel policies to ensure that.
Most of us may have sensible judgement in taking extra fuel when needed. Fuel savings bonus wasn't invented by Chinese carriers, you should speak to many who had done it in many of legacy carriers, decades ago. Thence you would understand how the inherent pressure of aiming for fuel saving bonus could cloud your judgement in uplifting a safe amount of reserve fuel. I can't name the airlines, but couple of near mishaps caused at least one of them to abolish this practice. And most follow suit in adopting a moderate attitude towards fuel uplift.
I'm sure you must be one of the better ones to exercise sound decision, but you do have to admit that you can't expect the same from ALL pilots in your airlines can you?
None of us implied flying economically (or efficiently) is unsafe. In fact, most major carriers would have good fuel policies to ensure that.
Most of us may have sensible judgement in taking extra fuel when needed. Fuel savings bonus wasn't invented by Chinese carriers, you should speak to many who had done it in many of legacy carriers, decades ago. Thence you would understand how the inherent pressure of aiming for fuel saving bonus could cloud your judgement in uplifting a safe amount of reserve fuel. I can't name the airlines, but couple of near mishaps caused at least one of them to abolish this practice. And most follow suit in adopting a moderate attitude towards fuel uplift.
I'm sure you must be one of the better ones to exercise sound decision, but you do have to admit that you can't expect the same from ALL pilots in your airlines can you?
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WEST AIRLINES has probably the best A320 contracts in China now!!!
West Airlines Co. Ltd, operating as West Air, is an airline based in Chongqing, China, operating a scheduled passenger network to 18 domestic destinations out of Chongqing Jiangbei International Airport. The company was established in March 2006 by its parent company Hainan Airlines, with the launch of scheduled services on 14 July 2010. Until Jan.2012, it has 11 A320 aircraft. It will recruit 20 A320 captains in 2012.
Domicile: Chongqing, China
Contract term: 3years, renewable
Annual Bonus:USD 8,000 (1st year) ; USD 12,000 (2nd year) ; USD 15,000 (3rd year)
Housing Allowance: USD 500 per month housing and transportation allowance
Sick Leave: 7 days
Commuting Pattern:
Option One:
21 days on/ 7 days off plus 16 days annual leave
Annual package USD 234,000 to USD 241,000
USD 175,000 per month basic service fee
Overtime pay USD 200/hour over 80 hours/month
Option Two:
35 days on/ 21 days off plus no annual leave
Annual package USD 225,600 to USD 232,600
USD 168,000 per month basic service fee
Overtime pay USD 185/hour over 80 hours/month
Option Three:
10 days off per month plus 20 days annual leave
Annual package USD 212,400 to USD 219,400
USD 157,000 per month basic service fee
Overtime pay USD 170/hour over 80 hours/month
Option Four:
15 days on/ 15 days off with no annual leave
Annual package USD 168,000 to USD 175,000
USD 12,000 per month basic service fee
Overtime pay USD 160/hour over 65 hours/month
West Airlines Co. Ltd, operating as West Air, is an airline based in Chongqing, China, operating a scheduled passenger network to 18 domestic destinations out of Chongqing Jiangbei International Airport. The company was established in March 2006 by its parent company Hainan Airlines, with the launch of scheduled services on 14 July 2010. Until Jan.2012, it has 11 A320 aircraft. It will recruit 20 A320 captains in 2012.
Domicile: Chongqing, China
Contract term: 3years, renewable
Annual Bonus:USD 8,000 (1st year) ; USD 12,000 (2nd year) ; USD 15,000 (3rd year)
Housing Allowance: USD 500 per month housing and transportation allowance
Sick Leave: 7 days
Commuting Pattern:
Option One:
21 days on/ 7 days off plus 16 days annual leave
Annual package USD 234,000 to USD 241,000
USD 175,000 per month basic service fee
Overtime pay USD 200/hour over 80 hours/month
Option Two:
35 days on/ 21 days off plus no annual leave
Annual package USD 225,600 to USD 232,600
USD 168,000 per month basic service fee
Overtime pay USD 185/hour over 80 hours/month
Option Three:
10 days off per month plus 20 days annual leave
Annual package USD 212,400 to USD 219,400
USD 157,000 per month basic service fee
Overtime pay USD 170/hour over 80 hours/month
Option Four:
15 days on/ 15 days off with no annual leave
Annual package USD 168,000 to USD 175,000
USD 12,000 per month basic service fee
Overtime pay USD 160/hour over 65 hours/month
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Annual package USD 234,000 to USD 241,000
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Mmmmh....
Does the part "strictly follow company regulation and discipline" requires to forget about airmanship and make sound judgment, based on experience and common sense?
I can see plenty of situations when a proficient pilot would HAVE TO deviate de rules and regulations... maybe not here!
Does the part "strictly follow company regulation and discipline" requires to forget about airmanship and make sound judgment, based on experience and common sense?
I can see plenty of situations when a proficient pilot would HAVE TO deviate de rules and regulations... maybe not here!
