Airborne Personnel B744 Captains ..
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Airborne Personnel B744 Captains ..
I have noticed the an advert for B744 Captains by Airborne Personnel on behalf of Air Atlanta Icelandic .... does anyone have any information on this .... ?
Worldwide ? Commuting ? Package ? Info/ stories ? .... I unfortunately know very little about this one .....
Many thanks in anticipation ....
Worldwide ? Commuting ? Package ? Info/ stories ? .... I unfortunately know very little about this one .....
Many thanks in anticipation ....
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Is any current /legally qualified B744 Capt so desperate/unemployable that they can actually get anyone to go to Jeddah (FFS 
) for this kind of money ?
I am crestfallen if they can get anyone at this price . . . . who/why ?
) for this kind of money ?I am crestfallen if they can get anyone at this price . . . . who/why ?
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Thanks MM .... you have answered that query. No wonder they did not publish any figures.
Narrowbody Captains being paid over double that ... me thinks the industry is a little lost ??? ( not that the single aisle salaries should come down ... rather the widebody go up !!)
Who is going to go to Jeddah for that money ?
Narrowbody Captains being paid over double that ... me thinks the industry is a little lost ??? ( not that the single aisle salaries should come down ... rather the widebody go up !!)
Who is going to go to Jeddah for that money ?
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I don't think this figure for Captains is correct. The 20 on / 10 off doesn't matter - 30 days on base in Jeddah is paid at 30 times the daily rate, regardless of whether you're on duty or in the hotel.
If it helps clarify, the worldwide contract I saw for FOs recently was around $7,900 basic per month. I don't have it to hand but if I remember correctly it was c.$215 per day on base, plus c.$45 per diem. This was year one, and the net monthly pay figure was written in the last column of the table, approx $7,900. You had to be in Jeddah to get it all, but it didn't matter if you were flying or in the company digs on a day off. Every day was paid.
I can't imagine even AAI would pay a year 11 captain less than a year 1 FO?!!
If it helps clarify, the worldwide contract I saw for FOs recently was around $7,900 basic per month. I don't have it to hand but if I remember correctly it was c.$215 per day on base, plus c.$45 per diem. This was year one, and the net monthly pay figure was written in the last column of the table, approx $7,900. You had to be in Jeddah to get it all, but it didn't matter if you were flying or in the company digs on a day off. Every day was paid.
I can't imagine even AAI would pay a year 11 captain less than a year 1 FO?!!
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I too received a sample AAI contract and pay scales from Airborne Personnel. I confirm the figures posted by mavelman to be 100% accurate.
Additonally, the contract states you will be paid on the 15th of the following month (not, can be paid up to) and you will indemnify Airborne Personnel against any tax and/or social security claims - the UK government is presently examining the offshore circumvention of tax liabilities by UK based Employment Agencies.
Despite their Channel Island postal address, Airborne Personnel operate from a small office in Crawley UK, shared by two other employment agencies, First2Resourse and Mountain High.
Additonally, the contract states you will be paid on the 15th of the following month (not, can be paid up to) and you will indemnify Airborne Personnel against any tax and/or social security claims - the UK government is presently examining the offshore circumvention of tax liabilities by UK based Employment Agencies.
Despite their Channel Island postal address, Airborne Personnel operate from a small office in Crawley UK, shared by two other employment agencies, First2Resourse and Mountain High.
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Thanks for the solid information .....
If the conditions and base are good then they publish these facts ..... if they are not they (as in most agencies, sadly) shield them behind "attractive salary and terms" .. and frankly it is not always easy to find out what the real deal is, without formal application ...
If the conditions and base are good then they publish these facts ..... if they are not they (as in most agencies, sadly) shield them behind "attractive salary and terms" .. and frankly it is not always easy to find out what the real deal is, without formal application ...
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Thanks marvelman for your reply. I must remind myself not to bother next time.
The point I wanted to make was that your hypothetical calculation is useless for anyone considering the contract. It's not a commuting contract, and if you know anyone in AAI, you will know that even private commuting at your own expense is not an option with the roster. 30 days on base are paid at 30 days; 20 on/10 off is irrelevant unless you want to compare it with legacies. And if you had the option of a legacy, you wouldn't be considering AAI.
The contract is bad, and from what I'm told 3 months in Jeddah without going home is somewhat more than character building. An experienced captain would have to be desperate to consider it, but the basic pay isn't as appalling as you make out.
The point I wanted to make was that your hypothetical calculation is useless for anyone considering the contract. It's not a commuting contract, and if you know anyone in AAI, you will know that even private commuting at your own expense is not an option with the roster. 30 days on base are paid at 30 days; 20 on/10 off is irrelevant unless you want to compare it with legacies. And if you had the option of a legacy, you wouldn't be considering AAI.
The contract is bad, and from what I'm told 3 months in Jeddah without going home is somewhat more than character building. An experienced captain would have to be desperate to consider it, but the basic pay isn't as appalling as you make out.
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Calm down everyone. Everyone is entitled to their say. AAI do confuse the pay and benefit issue. I received two completely different scales. Furthermore they refuse to commit to the grade on offer or even the criteria involved. There are always people who need the job and we are not in their shoes and should not judge.
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marvelman,
Highlighting your text does not (for most of us) make it any more important than anyone else's posts.
IF I WRITE EVERYTHING IN BLOCK CAPITALS, DOES IT MAKE ME MORE CLEVER/RELEVANT ?
Nope, thought not.
Oh BTW, if you were a little less confrontational, perhaps the thread could progress, I think everyone agrees what is offered is cr@p, we are discussing surely, merely the finer details of just how brown the grass is . . . .
Highlighting your text does not (for most of us) make it any more important than anyone else's posts.
IF I WRITE EVERYTHING IN BLOCK CAPITALS, DOES IT MAKE ME MORE CLEVER/RELEVANT ?
Nope, thought not.
Oh BTW, if you were a little less confrontational, perhaps the thread could progress, I think everyone agrees what is offered is cr@p, we are discussing surely, merely the finer details of just how brown the grass is . . . .
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The second officer pay on offer is $155 per day on base. Now whilst that may be considered low its more than double what I've earned at any point in the last two years doing dire jobs to try and get into the industry.
These figures just reflect the times and make good business sense; If there are droves of people desperate enough to work for this then why pay more? Just look at how much Ryanair charge for type ratings with a "maybe" agency contract at the end of it.
I personally agree with anyone who calls it pathetic because thats exactly what it is. But you do need to experience pathetic working terms in order to recognise a good deal when you get it. And good deal will come thick and fast once the pilot shortage hits.
These figures just reflect the times and make good business sense; If there are droves of people desperate enough to work for this then why pay more? Just look at how much Ryanair charge for type ratings with a "maybe" agency contract at the end of it.
I personally agree with anyone who calls it pathetic because thats exactly what it is. But you do need to experience pathetic working terms in order to recognise a good deal when you get it. And good deal will come thick and fast once the pilot shortage hits.
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Not to muddy the waters but these are 30 day on 15 day off rotations.
So instead of multiplying the daily rate by 20 per "month". To get a better idea of "possible" pay over the course of the year you need to multiply the daily rate
$280 x 30 = $8400 for your 30 days on. Which will then be followed by 15 days off - before heading back to the kingdom. So if you take 365 and divide by 45 (the number of days per cycle) you get 8.1 - So wagging it $8400 x 8 = $67,200 - Now these numbes might be adjusted by the PD rate and pocketing some of that and I'm sure they fly over 75 hours a month during the Hajj - maybe some AAI folks would post - or maybe they are staying so far away from this thread for fear of having cyber tomato thrown at them.
I just checked with a buddy of mine up in AK and if you work the same 30 on 15 off schedule up there flying a C-207 you'd be making more than you would as a B-747-400 CA with AAI. That said times are tough and many with 744 type ratings are furloughed or about to be furloughed so recency and currency of time may be more important to them than a straight low ball crappy salary.
I'd hesitate to call someone "uninformed" who just wants more information on AAI in it's present state. I mean someone is flying those 30 planes they have flying for Saudi. Just saying.
So instead of multiplying the daily rate by 20 per "month". To get a better idea of "possible" pay over the course of the year you need to multiply the daily rate
$280 x 30 = $8400 for your 30 days on. Which will then be followed by 15 days off - before heading back to the kingdom. So if you take 365 and divide by 45 (the number of days per cycle) you get 8.1 - So wagging it $8400 x 8 = $67,200 - Now these numbes might be adjusted by the PD rate and pocketing some of that and I'm sure they fly over 75 hours a month during the Hajj - maybe some AAI folks would post - or maybe they are staying so far away from this thread for fear of having cyber tomato thrown at them.
I just checked with a buddy of mine up in AK and if you work the same 30 on 15 off schedule up there flying a C-207 you'd be making more than you would as a B-747-400 CA with AAI. That said times are tough and many with 744 type ratings are furloughed or about to be furloughed so recency and currency of time may be more important to them than a straight low ball crappy salary.
I'd hesitate to call someone "uninformed" who just wants more information on AAI in it's present state. I mean someone is flying those 30 planes they have flying for Saudi. Just saying.
