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Story on the front page of today's Gulf Daily News (so it must be true)
PILOT CRISIS HITS AIRLINES
Posted on » Saturday, December 03, 2011
DUBAI: The global aviation sector is all set for turbulent times, with an escalating shortage of pilots, experts warned yesterday.
The scramble to lure the best will intensify as fast-growing Middle East and other Asian airlines buy hundreds of new planes.
The widening shortage of experienced pilots is also raising safety concerns and playing havoc with flight schedules.
Analysts point out that airlines in India, which already need about 2,000 pilots urgently, have signed up for 180 aircraft at the Dubai air show.
Last month, Indonesia's Lion Air ordered 230 Boeing 737s with options for 150 more. Qatar Airways ordered at least 55 jets from Airbus while Emirates ordered 50 Boeing 777s. From 2011 to 2030, Boeing and Airbus both predict Asia will account for about a third of global aircraft deliveries worth a total of more than $1 trillion.
To keep up with growth and replace retiring pilots, the International Civil Aviation Organisation forecasts Asia will need 229,676 pilots over the next two decades, up from 50,344 last year.
In the most likely scenario, Asia will be short by more than 9,000 pilots a year.
"Never in human history have we seen a time when two billion people will enter the middle class and demand air travel," says William Voss, president of the Washington, DC-based Flight Safety Foundation.
"That time is now."
Looks like now is the time to train as a pilot
PILOT CRISIS HITS AIRLINES
Posted on » Saturday, December 03, 2011
DUBAI: The global aviation sector is all set for turbulent times, with an escalating shortage of pilots, experts warned yesterday.
The scramble to lure the best will intensify as fast-growing Middle East and other Asian airlines buy hundreds of new planes.
The widening shortage of experienced pilots is also raising safety concerns and playing havoc with flight schedules.
Analysts point out that airlines in India, which already need about 2,000 pilots urgently, have signed up for 180 aircraft at the Dubai air show.
Last month, Indonesia's Lion Air ordered 230 Boeing 737s with options for 150 more. Qatar Airways ordered at least 55 jets from Airbus while Emirates ordered 50 Boeing 777s. From 2011 to 2030, Boeing and Airbus both predict Asia will account for about a third of global aircraft deliveries worth a total of more than $1 trillion.
To keep up with growth and replace retiring pilots, the International Civil Aviation Organisation forecasts Asia will need 229,676 pilots over the next two decades, up from 50,344 last year.
In the most likely scenario, Asia will be short by more than 9,000 pilots a year.
"Never in human history have we seen a time when two billion people will enter the middle class and demand air travel," says William Voss, president of the Washington, DC-based Flight Safety Foundation.
"That time is now."
Looks like now is the time to train as a pilot
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All these statistics/predictions are all too vague. There (currently) is an adequate supply of pilots but what their isn’t is an adequate supply of P1s.
For the past 20+ years F/Os have been produced by some of the world’s finest (European) carriers in about 2 years and the MPL (whether you agree with it or not) has now produced F/Os also in about 2 years.
What no one has done, nor has anyone any idea how to, is to rapidly produce Commanders.
For the past 20+ years F/Os have been produced by some of the world’s finest (European) carriers in about 2 years and the MPL (whether you agree with it or not) has now produced F/Os also in about 2 years.
What no one has done, nor has anyone any idea how to, is to rapidly produce Commanders.
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Don't you love these "experts" who relentlessly warn about shortages? And everywhere around the world, mindless dumb kids (and parents) will stop at nothing in hope for that premium airline job that has been serving as a carrot to all.
Please search through the forums, read some of the most enlightening postings by many who had already gone through the hoops and loops.
There is no shortages, it is just how they (the airlines) chose to manage their manpower. I hear it all the time, "ya trust me mate this is it, we have been talking about it, it's finally here, the shortages".
A real shortage is when airlines, big or small, will get you onboard with type and training paid, that's how we did it in our times. Right now to name so many shoddy airlines still milking all the wannabes simply make me sick.
Let's not even get started with experienced crew market. 90% of us are still here in the sandpit flying 90hours with no significant pay increase in absolute terms, if you take into considerations inflation.
Wake up boys, it ain't gonna happen, definitely not in my lifetime.
Please search through the forums, read some of the most enlightening postings by many who had already gone through the hoops and loops.
There is no shortages, it is just how they (the airlines) chose to manage their manpower. I hear it all the time, "ya trust me mate this is it, we have been talking about it, it's finally here, the shortages".
A real shortage is when airlines, big or small, will get you onboard with type and training paid, that's how we did it in our times. Right now to name so many shoddy airlines still milking all the wannabes simply make me sick.
Let's not even get started with experienced crew market. 90% of us are still here in the sandpit flying 90hours with no significant pay increase in absolute terms, if you take into considerations inflation.
Wake up boys, it ain't gonna happen, definitely not in my lifetime.
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Commanders needed
I can think of one way to at least start training new commanders. Let newly trained pilots start to fly and gain experience onces they are qualified not make them wait a year or two doing odd labour just to get to fly SIC. Although I know its not like that all over the world, only some places that shall remain nameless 
I can think of one way to at least start training new commanders. Let newly trained pilots start to fly and gain experience onces they are qualified not make them wait a year or two doing odd labour just to get to fly SIC. Although I know its not like that all over the world, only some places that shall remain nameless
To do this safely. you need at least two key components - a sound basic training such as is provided by the integrated route at the professional flying schools and competent, skilled and experienced commanders who know how to coach new pilots.
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Aviation history of the past 2 decades has shown that there has been no dearth of F/Os in the supply chain but ALWAYS a dearth of Commanders. And as more aircrafts are added to fleets worldwide this ratio will only increase, more so in the fast growth regions.
Because with news such as this more wannabes will join the bandwagon increasing the glut of F/Os waiting to get to the right hand seat of shiney jets which could take years, while transiting onto the left hand seat for those already employed takes even longer...........
Because with news such as this more wannabes will join the bandwagon increasing the glut of F/Os waiting to get to the right hand seat of shiney jets which could take years, while transiting onto the left hand seat for those already employed takes even longer...........
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Sirwa69: the huge pilot hiring has already been the case for YEARS (decades?), especially in ASIA (they hired mainly at 99.99% local people by the way). Seems you have missed the train. Or several.
Today here are the UP TO DATE news: economy in India and China are slowing down, get up to speed.
Today here are the UP TO DATE news: economy in India and China are slowing down, get up to speed.
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Many future children of the magenta line are sucking the lives out of their families finances… and what for… instant gratification. How self serving can one be?
No mature self-respecting human being on this planet would subscribe to any of these programs.
I have no objection to a family investing in a child’s dream. Parents should instill the values in their children so they can help their children provide a better life, live up to their potential, and appreciate the goals achieved in life.
I do find objection to anyone who pay these so-called reputable training centers, money so they can sit in the right seat of a shiny jet and log time. Log time for what… sitting there watching the scenery pass by. Maybe get a landing or two during their 250 hours of occupying the right seat. How can one justify calling it logable flight time? Why... because $25,000 plus the cost of a type rating was paid? How can “Pay to Play pilot”, with a bit of conscience, sit at the same table with first officer who paid their dues and earned their position?
Ladies and Gentlemen… these miscreants are aiding and abetting in the decline in respect, and of terms of our profession. By aiding and abetting in the decline of our profession they are also feeding airlines additional fodder for the justification of the new generation pilot, the “Pay to Play Pilot”. Shame on these miscreants… shame on the parents who are willing to support their children beyond their CPLs… shame on the flight schools who hawking these disillusioned people and shame on the airlines that endorse and support such programs.
...Many future children of the magenta line are sucking the lives out of their families finances… and what for… instant gratification. How self serving can one be?
No mature self-respecting human being on this planet would subscribe to any of these programs.
I have no objection to a family investing in a child’s dream. Parents should instill the values in their children so they can help their children provide a better life, live up to their potential, and appreciate the goals achieved in life.
I do find objection to anyone who pay these so-called reputable training centers, money so they can sit in the right seat of a shiny jet and log time. Log time for what… sitting there watching the scenery pass by. Maybe get a landing or two during their 250 hours of occupying the right seat. How can one justify calling it logable flight time? Why... because $25,000 plus the cost of a type rating was paid? How can “Pay to Play pilot”, with a bit of conscience, sit at the same table with first officer who paid their dues and earned their position?
Ladies and Gentlemen… these miscreants are aiding and abetting in the decline in respect, and of terms of our profession. By aiding and abetting in the decline of our profession they are also feeding airlines additional fodder for the justification of the new generation pilot, the “Pay to Play Pilot”. Shame on these miscreants… shame on the parents who are willing to support their children beyond their CPLs… shame on the flight schools who hawking these disillusioned people and shame on the airlines that endorse and support such programs.
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That article made reference to "experts".
I'm sure if you were to trace these "experts" back you'd find that they are people whose incomes are in some way, shape or form connected to the Flight Training Industry, which I must say is an industry unto itself.
I've been hearing about the pilot shortage for the last 20 years... the line never changes... I'm sure when I'm on my death bed in 40 years time, I'll be able to open Flight Training International magazine, and I'll no doubt find an article about the upcoming pilot shortage....
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I'm sure if you were to trace these "experts" back you'd find that they are people whose incomes are in some way, shape or form connected to the Flight Training Industry, which I must say is an industry unto itself.
I've been hearing about the pilot shortage for the last 20 years... the line never changes... I'm sure when I'm on my death bed in 40 years time, I'll be able to open Flight Training International magazine, and I'll no doubt find an article about the upcoming pilot shortage....
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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There is no shortage of experienced captains (not rated on the Airbus or Boeing). The emerging markets, especially the far east, have to realise that the supply of type rated captains is verging on the exhausted and they are going to have to bite the bullet and provide type rating courses if they are to meet demand.
The agencies should ram this home to their clients as well. I'm sure there must be an equivalent chinese proverb to the english of 'p..... into the wind' because that is what they are doing.
The agencies should ram this home to their clients as well. I'm sure there must be an equivalent chinese proverb to the english of 'p..... into the wind' because that is what they are doing.
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Newspaper posting sounds more like preparing the ground for the next move :
Citing serious shortage of suitably trained pilots, some airlines may take the lead and do away with cockpit crew altogether.
Technologically feasable, one still needs a reason ( said 'shortage' ) - guess it's gonna happen first on freighters; a crate of machinery doesn't care whether it gets flown around by another piece of machinery or a piece of wetware---
Citing serious shortage of suitably trained pilots, some airlines may take the lead and do away with cockpit crew altogether.
Technologically feasable, one still needs a reason ( said 'shortage' ) - guess it's gonna happen first on freighters; a crate of machinery doesn't care whether it gets flown around by another piece of machinery or a piece of wetware---
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Many future children of the magenta line are sucking the lives out of their families finances… and what for… instant gratification. How self serving can one be?
