I have finally had enough!!!
Buttonpusher
Like Slasher mentioned earlier get into a real aircraft, not a button pushing machine and fly by the seat of your pants, use your brain and common sense, get back to your roots of flying.... a sailplane course would be even better.
That will help balance why you started this gig in the first place.
Failing that, open up a whorehouse near a major airport they'll be plenty of punters there, but don't eat the profits, there's a good man !!!
That will help balance why you started this gig in the first place.
Failing that, open up a whorehouse near a major airport they'll be plenty of punters there, but don't eat the profits, there's a good man !!!
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We need a law like in the States, prohibiding crooks entering this market selling souls to LCC.
send your CV to the CAA/EASA, offer them money(50'000 euro for 6 months) for a desk job.The gangraine will reach every branches of this profession, believe me.
send your CV to the CAA/EASA, offer them money(50'000 euro for 6 months) for a desk job.The gangraine will reach every branches of this profession, believe me.
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Failing that, open up a whorehouse near a major airport they'll be plenty of punters there, but don't eat the profits, there's a good man
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Hi, I agree with recent posters about taking a little time off. I worked for a bunch of 
for four years 400 miles away from home having been promised the universe but just ended up swallowing .
Three months away from flying and a new job and I am starting to enjoy the world of aviation again.
Sure there is BS to deal with but there isn't a job anywhere that doesn't.
Security: Just grin and bear it.
Management: They are mostly insulated from the real world and lose touch with reality, and contact should be avoided at all cost!
SOP's: They are the companies toys and operated as per the instructions on the tin.
And finally, remember that this is a job not some sort of calling! But if you enjoy it then all the better.
Good luck.
Ps I nearly jacked it all in last year after a faux pas that wasn't looked at in a practical manner by management. But I had been slagging them off for 2 years so that might not have helped
for four years 400 miles away from home having been promised the universe but just ended up swallowing .Three months away from flying and a new job and I am starting to enjoy the world of aviation again.
Sure there is BS to deal with but there isn't a job anywhere that doesn't.
Security: Just grin and bear it.
Management: They are mostly insulated from the real world and lose touch with reality, and contact should be avoided at all cost!
SOP's: They are the companies toys and operated as per the instructions on the tin.
And finally, remember that this is a job not some sort of calling! But if you enjoy it then all the better.
Good luck.
Ps I nearly jacked it all in last year after a faux pas that wasn't looked at in a practical manner by management. But I had been slagging them off for 2 years so that might not have helped
Why oh why does every "aviator" aspire to be a Commercial Airline Pilot? It's not "flying" - it's driving a boring old bus!
There is no excitement, boring anti-social schedules, constant arguments over accomodation/meals/fuel & landing charge problems/the air steward poof trying it on, etc. etc.
You can't FLY the plane. There are too many rules/regulations. There is more exictement to be had in a hang glider. And with one of those you don't have the constant flight checks...
However, the reasoning that you all went through before embarking on the career you all seem to despise is:
1. A ridiculously high salary for what is in effect a "bus driver".
2. The ability to say "I'm an airline Captain" whenever possible.
3. Travel to exotic places (unless you do short haul) - but then you realised that you just fell into a hotel bed before crewing the next A/C home & saw nothing of the country....
4. S******G the Stewardesses, until you realised that most were married & your only chance was with 20 year old Gary from Essex.
Just be thankful that you have a (very) well paid job that pays your bills & enables you to think nothing of going to the pub or eating out. The majority of people in the UK this year can't afford those luxuries (me included).
I have absolutely no sympathy for the OP. In his mental state he should not be allowed to fly & possibly endanger hundreds of lives.
There is no excitement, boring anti-social schedules, constant arguments over accomodation/meals/fuel & landing charge problems/the air steward poof trying it on, etc. etc.
You can't FLY the plane. There are too many rules/regulations. There is more exictement to be had in a hang glider. And with one of those you don't have the constant flight checks...
However, the reasoning that you all went through before embarking on the career you all seem to despise is:
1. A ridiculously high salary for what is in effect a "bus driver".
2. The ability to say "I'm an airline Captain" whenever possible.
3. Travel to exotic places (unless you do short haul) - but then you realised that you just fell into a hotel bed before crewing the next A/C home & saw nothing of the country....
4. S******G the Stewardesses, until you realised that most were married & your only chance was with 20 year old Gary from Essex.
Just be thankful that you have a (very) well paid job that pays your bills & enables you to think nothing of going to the pub or eating out. The majority of people in the UK this year can't afford those luxuries (me included).
I have absolutely no sympathy for the OP. In his mental state he should not be allowed to fly & possibly endanger hundreds of lives.
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Before anyone rises to the bait set by SAMXXV go back and read his other posts.
I found a very disenchanted individual, huge chip on the shoulder, possibly failed aircrew, as he gives the impression he hates them!
I found a very disenchanted individual, huge chip on the shoulder, possibly failed aircrew, as he gives the impression he hates them!
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the air steward p**f trying
In his mental state he should not be allowed to fly & possibly endanger hundreds of lives.
the lunatic fringe
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1. A ridiculously high salary for what is in effect a "bus driver".
2. The ability to say "I'm an airline Captain" whenever possible.
3. Travel to exotic places (unless you do short haul) - but then you realised that you just fell into a hotel bed before crewing the next A/C home & saw nothing of the country....
4. S******G the Stewardesses, until you realised that most were married & your only chance was with 20 year old Gary from Essex.
2. The ability to say "I'm an airline Captain" whenever possible.
3. Travel to exotic places (unless you do short haul) - but then you realised that you just fell into a hotel bed before crewing the next A/C home & saw nothing of the country....
4. S******G the Stewardesses, until you realised that most were married & your only chance was with 20 year old Gary from Essex.
2. True. Better than having to call yourself a Looser.
3. True: I get plenty of time down route. I travel to Exotic places, and see plenty.
4. True: Plenty of shagging the Stewardesses. The married ones are the best, and the most enthusiastic.
The truth hurts poor boy.
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I understand your feeling. Getting out of aviation is very hard. I was also considering that. I have a bachelor degree but it is absolutely useless since i don't have any experience. Sometimes it is harder to see what you have actually, rather what you don't have. I discovered that no matter what you do in life, you always have to pay a price. So what is the price you want to pay to change your life??
Have you considered freelance flying? You can fly and you determine when to fly. And in the meantime doing else a part time job? A part time job where you invest in people instead of things?
Perhaps thought about walking to Santiago del compostella? It seems a lifetime experience
I hope you can find a solution.
All the best for you.
I understand your feeling. Getting out of aviation is very hard. I was also considering that. I have a bachelor degree but it is absolutely useless since i don't have any experience. Sometimes it is harder to see what you have actually, rather what you don't have. I discovered that no matter what you do in life, you always have to pay a price. So what is the price you want to pay to change your life??
Have you considered freelance flying? You can fly and you determine when to fly. And in the meantime doing else a part time job? A part time job where you invest in people instead of things?
Perhaps thought about walking to Santiago del compostella? It seems a lifetime experience
I hope you can find a solution.
All the best for you.
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I have a few job offers which won't start for a while, I am having a couple of months away from flying. I am completely bored/dis-illusioned with it. I am going to relax, not set the alarm for 0400hrs and find something peaceful to do and until my new job starts.
Can I afford to do that? Not really but life is short and I don't wish to become a miserable short tempered soul who is no fun to be around.
Life is so preciously short it's ridiculous, you have got to make the most of your time here.
Can I afford to do that? Not really but life is short and I don't wish to become a miserable short tempered soul who is no fun to be around.
Life is so preciously short it's ridiculous, you have got to make the most of your time here.
L337, to quote you:
"1. True: I earn shedloads. Suck it up poor boy.
2. True. Better than having to call yourself a Looser.
3. True: I get plenty of time down route. I travel to Exotic places, and see plenty.
4. True: Plenty of shagging the Stewardesses. The married ones are the best, and the most enthusiastic.
The truth hurts poor boy."
After I left the RAF in 1997 I earned "shedloads" - for a limited period of time working in Bosnia/Serbia. That enabled me to retire at the age of 40. I have not the need to ever work again. I think that you will find that ,in your opinion, I am a loser - not a looser.
If, as you brag, you have had many "married" stewardesses, then I think that your lifespan will have been somewhat shortened when a husband clocks you...
The point that I was trying to make was that there is no comparison between earnings/life satisfaction/EGO trip & quality of life if you are a slave to your employer. You are totally expendable to your employer. For every sacked ATPL pilot there are 10's - if not 100's ready to take your job.
Ask any ex-FJ pilot about his job-satisfaction after spending loads of money & "aspiring" to an airline second seat. After a year they are bored, pissed off with "regulations" & realise that they wasted their money.
There is no excitement about going to work. Most economy airlines pay very little considering their demands on your family life & you hardly "fly" the airplane.
I am NOT a (qualified) pilot, PPL or otherwise, however I will say that (unofficially) I spent a month with the Belgium Air Army in 1991 where a fantastic Sgt tought me to fly the 25 year old Allhoutte chopper to the point I could fly with the skids skimming the tops of the cornfields in the Ardennes, fly under power lines & skim along the Rhine, dodging the barges. I was also (while at RAF Wyton) briefly taught to fly the Canberra as a target against Lightnings from Binbrook. Then at Coningsby I (Unofficially) was briefly taught by 56 Sqn to fly the F3 Tornado (I was limited to 7.0G).
Parabellum: I am certainly not "failed aircrew". I have Vitiligo therefore the RAF refused me a flying medical category due to me not being able to serve in extremely sunny climates - as I burn immediately.
Your lot is a bloody good one. Don't denigrate it. You are paid extremely well for one of aviation's most boring jobs. But understand that there are hundreds of unemployed but expensively qualified pilots ready to take your job immediately. That's why the carriers will sack you at the drop of a hat for any indescrection.
"1. True: I earn shedloads. Suck it up poor boy.
2. True. Better than having to call yourself a Looser.
3. True: I get plenty of time down route. I travel to Exotic places, and see plenty.
4. True: Plenty of shagging the Stewardesses. The married ones are the best, and the most enthusiastic.
The truth hurts poor boy."
After I left the RAF in 1997 I earned "shedloads" - for a limited period of time working in Bosnia/Serbia. That enabled me to retire at the age of 40. I have not the need to ever work again. I think that you will find that ,in your opinion, I am a loser - not a looser.
If, as you brag, you have had many "married" stewardesses, then I think that your lifespan will have been somewhat shortened when a husband clocks you...
The point that I was trying to make was that there is no comparison between earnings/life satisfaction/EGO trip & quality of life if you are a slave to your employer. You are totally expendable to your employer. For every sacked ATPL pilot there are 10's - if not 100's ready to take your job.
Ask any ex-FJ pilot about his job-satisfaction after spending loads of money & "aspiring" to an airline second seat. After a year they are bored, pissed off with "regulations" & realise that they wasted their money.
There is no excitement about going to work. Most economy airlines pay very little considering their demands on your family life & you hardly "fly" the airplane.
I am NOT a (qualified) pilot, PPL or otherwise, however I will say that (unofficially) I spent a month with the Belgium Air Army in 1991 where a fantastic Sgt tought me to fly the 25 year old Allhoutte chopper to the point I could fly with the skids skimming the tops of the cornfields in the Ardennes, fly under power lines & skim along the Rhine, dodging the barges. I was also (while at RAF Wyton) briefly taught to fly the Canberra as a target against Lightnings from Binbrook. Then at Coningsby I (Unofficially) was briefly taught by 56 Sqn to fly the F3 Tornado (I was limited to 7.0G).
Parabellum: I am certainly not "failed aircrew". I have Vitiligo therefore the RAF refused me a flying medical category due to me not being able to serve in extremely sunny climates - as I burn immediately.
Your lot is a bloody good one. Don't denigrate it. You are paid extremely well for one of aviation's most boring jobs. But understand that there are hundreds of unemployed but expensively qualified pilots ready to take your job immediately. That's why the carriers will sack you at the drop of a hat for any indescrection.
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Iam NOT a (qualified) pilot, PPL or otherwise, however I will say that (unofficially) I spent a month with the Belgium Air Army in 1991 where a fantastic Sgt tought me to fly the 25 year old Allhoutte chopper to the point I could fly with the skids skimming the tops of the cornfields in the Ardennes, fly under power lines & skim along the Rhine, dodging the barges. I was also (while at RAF Wyton) briefly taught to fly the Canberra as a target against Lightnings from Binbrook. Then at Canings I (Unofficially) was briefly taught by 56 Sqn to fly the F Tornado (I was limited to 7.G).
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On a more serious note, I would agree with those who say it might be a lot to do with how you treat your job.
I had two careers prior to aviation and I can vouch you're unlikely to be happier with an office job. Try spending half your day looking at pointless PowerPoint presentations and the other half listening to your MBA boss regurgitating one cliche expression after another. Once home, your evenings and weekends will be punctuated by Blackberry emails sent by ladder climbers who want to be seen working during home time. And you better reply. You think you have to cope with bull**** now?
trust me, it's far better than most jobs out there...
I had two careers prior to aviation and I can vouch you're unlikely to be happier with an office job. Try spending half your day looking at pointless PowerPoint presentations and the other half listening to your MBA boss regurgitating one cliche expression after another. Once home, your evenings and weekends will be punctuated by Blackberry emails sent by ladder climbers who want to be seen working during home time. And you better reply. You think you have to cope with bull**** now?
trust me, it's far better than most jobs out there...
All you guys moaning about how hard done by you are, you try the 9-5 bullsh!t a ground job brings, for a lot less money.
If you don't like the job you are in, there's a very simple answer.
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It would be great if we actually earned what the dumb public
think we earn, shag hosties as much as they think we do, and
merely push buttons like they believe we do.
If it were the case I certainly wouldn't be constantly bitching
and moaning on forums like this about what a damn dead-end
profession it has become.
You're located in Quahog huh? That explains why your rant
sounded like something from Seth McFarlane.
think we earn, shag hosties as much as they think we do, and
merely push buttons like they believe we do.
If it were the case I certainly wouldn't be constantly bitching
and moaning on forums like this about what a damn dead-end
profession it has become.
All you guys moaning about how hard done by you are,...
sounded like something from Seth McFarlane.
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Then at Coningsby I (Unofficially) was briefly taught by 56 Sqn to fly the F3 Tornado (I was limited to 7.0G).
Isn't the limit 7.5g. So, by giving you unofficial lessons, you were only restricted by 0.5g? Why do we spend years and millions of pounds training?
Then at Coningsby I (Unofficially) was briefly taught by 56 Sqn to fly the F3 Tornado (I was limited to 7.0G).
Isn't the limit 7.5g. So, by giving you unofficial lessons, you were only restricted by 0.5g? Why do we spend years and millions of pounds training?
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SAMXXV,
Shame they didn't use "live" rounds. Guessing they didn't ever miss you as a target. They could have missed the Canberra, but they would have never missed an ego the size you have.
I was also (while at RAF Wyton) briefly taught to fly the Canberra as a target against Lightnings from Binbrook
Shame they didn't use "live" rounds. Guessing they didn't ever miss you as a target. They could have missed the Canberra, but they would have never missed an ego the size you have.
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SAM XXV
If you are not a qualified pilot then you cant comment........ It is true the whole industry has changed. you are treated like s..............t unless you are lucky to work for a National Carrier. And as for 100s of qualified pilots I think not. Thats the reason we are being treated this way as this is becoming such a lousy occuptation that nobody wants to be a pilot anymore, and who can blame them. Stick to what you know Sam .......dont speculate on what you dont
If you are not a qualified pilot then you cant comment........ It is true the whole industry has changed. you are treated like s..............t unless you are lucky to work for a National Carrier. And as for 100s of qualified pilots I think not. Thats the reason we are being treated this way as this is becoming such a lousy occuptation that nobody wants to be a pilot anymore, and who can blame them. Stick to what you know Sam .......dont speculate on what you dont
