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DannyAlliga,
your point being? i left the company to change business and go VIP before the crisis came, it was great and ryanair was good for me as well, i left because of change of lifestyle.
I ended up where i am because of something you dont know about obviously because u were employed during this time. I am ATPL since 11 years and lost 5 jobs because of crisis, so i have a prospective and some ideas about what is outside, and if i am telling you i would come back (to a 5-3 or 5-4 and 4500 euros a month for a FO) means that outside is the dark ages.
Do you wanna know why i say so? because i know.
What has this to do with being selfish you gotta tell me.
Since i say that i prefer ryanair to 4 months here, 4 months there etc etc, then i am driving down your T and C, that i enjoyed before already and know exactly how **** it is??
One thing you can do is leave, as you guys are doing, but then do not expect them not to replace you, of course i will not accept a ****tier contract than yours now, but if what they offer is better than turkey on a 6-1, that is not being selfish, it is being NORMAL if i accept.
Sincerely do not see your point.
PS your senior fo are giving up their command (as i did) to find better places to be (as i believed were existing) so i understand them, and since i explored a lot of other pastures i can say, at the moment, i find ryanair one of the best companies i worked for all in all, believe it or not.
ALITALIA, NETJETS, RYANAIR, TURKISH, AIR ITALY, PRIVATAIR, OMAN AIR
those are some of my experiences.
Middle East no thanks.
your point being? i left the company to change business and go VIP before the crisis came, it was great and ryanair was good for me as well, i left because of change of lifestyle.
I ended up where i am because of something you dont know about obviously because u were employed during this time. I am ATPL since 11 years and lost 5 jobs because of crisis, so i have a prospective and some ideas about what is outside, and if i am telling you i would come back (to a 5-3 or 5-4 and 4500 euros a month for a FO) means that outside is the dark ages.
Do you wanna know why i say so? because i know.
What has this to do with being selfish you gotta tell me.
Since i say that i prefer ryanair to 4 months here, 4 months there etc etc, then i am driving down your T and C, that i enjoyed before already and know exactly how **** it is??
One thing you can do is leave, as you guys are doing, but then do not expect them not to replace you, of course i will not accept a ****tier contract than yours now, but if what they offer is better than turkey on a 6-1, that is not being selfish, it is being NORMAL if i accept.
Sincerely do not see your point.
PS your senior fo are giving up their command (as i did) to find better places to be (as i believed were existing) so i understand them, and since i explored a lot of other pastures i can say, at the moment, i find ryanair one of the best companies i worked for all in all, believe it or not.
ALITALIA, NETJETS, RYANAIR, TURKISH, AIR ITALY, PRIVATAIR, OMAN AIR
those are some of my experiences.
Middle East no thanks.
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Interested to hear your view on middle east.
I am Ryanair some time but was curious before xmas and decided to look around. Very many jobs around at this time - helps as I speak fluent German - although originally Irish. Anyway. Now have run myself ragged across the globe and have offers from EasyJet(contract 7 months), Emirates 777 (FO), Turkish (CP), Etihad (FO) short time to CU, Qatar CP on 320 with bond and CargoLux (seems best deal) as FO with 18 months time to CU. Deal apart from Cargolux are very similar - although family want to go to ME. Anyone have a real view on ABu Dhabi please?
Big problem for Ryanair now is that O'Leary seems to have started a fight with every country. Germany - staff taxes and travel taxes(and FR has never made an impact on that market), France - base closed in MRS Govt ran them out, Spain - rows in GRO, Alicante - said today may close, Canaries - said today may close, Italy - CIA row and being run out of country by staff taxes, UK - travel taxes and Ireland - well Govt just hate them. Bases have closed in MRS, SNN, (-5 aircraft), VLC - since reopened, GRO (-5 aircraft), BHD and KIR. So now where is safe?
I do not think there will be any switch to 5/3 but many of the contractors will do a runner in next 6 weeks. They are on a month off and they can escape their bond by doing a runner - just after they have a month off.
So should I stay or should I go. And what about Abu Dhabi anyone?
I am Ryanair some time but was curious before xmas and decided to look around. Very many jobs around at this time - helps as I speak fluent German - although originally Irish. Anyway. Now have run myself ragged across the globe and have offers from EasyJet(contract 7 months), Emirates 777 (FO), Turkish (CP), Etihad (FO) short time to CU, Qatar CP on 320 with bond and CargoLux (seems best deal) as FO with 18 months time to CU. Deal apart from Cargolux are very similar - although family want to go to ME. Anyone have a real view on ABu Dhabi please?
Big problem for Ryanair now is that O'Leary seems to have started a fight with every country. Germany - staff taxes and travel taxes(and FR has never made an impact on that market), France - base closed in MRS Govt ran them out, Spain - rows in GRO, Alicante - said today may close, Canaries - said today may close, Italy - CIA row and being run out of country by staff taxes, UK - travel taxes and Ireland - well Govt just hate them. Bases have closed in MRS, SNN, (-5 aircraft), VLC - since reopened, GRO (-5 aircraft), BHD and KIR. So now where is safe?
I do not think there will be any switch to 5/3 but many of the contractors will do a runner in next 6 weeks. They are on a month off and they can escape their bond by doing a runner - just after they have a month off.
So should I stay or should I go. And what about Abu Dhabi anyone?
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Damianik,
my point is that I would like to work for an outfit that people don't have to leave because of sh!t T&C, where there is a clear basing policy and where they care about fuel burn the same way as they respect their employees.
Part of this respect would be for instance not hiring DEC but upgrading your own pilots , let alone hiring F/Os like you and then giving them command training before others that have been here longer than you.
And even if what you suggest would be inevitable for keeping our airplanes flying then new hires like you should be sent to our new fantastic base of Kaunas on a 5/3 roster giving those who were here before you the priority to choose.
Clear?
By the way, don't make a fool of yourself by playing the cool guy that has "been there,done that"....by reading your posts you were only a cabin crew in Alitalia , a cadet here at FR, went to Net Jets to be made redundant after a very little time and you just started now in Turkish after flying 2 months in Air Italy last summer.
Far from being the Chuck Yeager you claim to be....
my point is that I would like to work for an outfit that people don't have to leave because of sh!t T&C, where there is a clear basing policy and where they care about fuel burn the same way as they respect their employees.
Part of this respect would be for instance not hiring DEC but upgrading your own pilots , let alone hiring F/Os like you and then giving them command training before others that have been here longer than you.
And even if what you suggest would be inevitable for keeping our airplanes flying then new hires like you should be sent to our new fantastic base of Kaunas on a 5/3 roster giving those who were here before you the priority to choose.
Clear?
By the way, don't make a fool of yourself by playing the cool guy that has "been there,done that"....by reading your posts you were only a cabin crew in Alitalia , a cadet here at FR, went to Net Jets to be made redundant after a very little time and you just started now in Turkish after flying 2 months in Air Italy last summer.
Far from being the Chuck Yeager you claim to be....
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Dannyalliga,
Did i claim to be chuck yeger or even to be a good pilot? i claimed to know what means being unemployed, kicked out, redundant etc etc and being 4 months here, 4 months there.
Read my posts correctly, before judging.
And i was not only a cabin crew in Alitalia, i was a cadet pilot, flew mail and people in Alitalia for my CPL training with them (same as LH, on the PA42) and then i was offered a cabin crew position while i awaited 3 years for Alitalia to recover, then offered a job on EMB145 for Alitalia and again stopped due to AF proposal of takeover and associated doubts about future of the company...Then spent 3 years in Ryanair after taking again all my ATPL to be able to convert it to JAA (not 500 hours yet so the frozen icao one would have expired at conversion) , after that i left for Netjets before the crisis and i am still employed by netjets in part time (2.5 years now in netjets and last of seniority, so hopeless) during the part time i went to the other companies i named, and it was 5 months in Air Italy by the way:-)
So if you wanna discuss about aviation job market and the crisis, u found the right guy.
I stand where i was before, i see no point in your post. If i come back i go to Kounas, 5-3 and get upgraded because of my 3750 hours, not because of any other reason. If anybody else is ready to upgrade right now and have the hours and they go to kaunas instead of resigning to go to Emirates or BA then RYR will need NOT to hire anybody else. If instead they need, the best choice is a FO with Hours and maybe someone that knows something more about the company and 25 min turn arounds. I left for a reason, the reason is not there anymore, i would come back, because Turkish is not so greener.
Did i claim to be chuck yeger or even to be a good pilot? i claimed to know what means being unemployed, kicked out, redundant etc etc and being 4 months here, 4 months there.
Read my posts correctly, before judging.
And i was not only a cabin crew in Alitalia, i was a cadet pilot, flew mail and people in Alitalia for my CPL training with them (same as LH, on the PA42) and then i was offered a cabin crew position while i awaited 3 years for Alitalia to recover, then offered a job on EMB145 for Alitalia and again stopped due to AF proposal of takeover and associated doubts about future of the company...Then spent 3 years in Ryanair after taking again all my ATPL to be able to convert it to JAA (not 500 hours yet so the frozen icao one would have expired at conversion) , after that i left for Netjets before the crisis and i am still employed by netjets in part time (2.5 years now in netjets and last of seniority, so hopeless) during the part time i went to the other companies i named, and it was 5 months in Air Italy by the way:-)
So if you wanna discuss about aviation job market and the crisis, u found the right guy.
I stand where i was before, i see no point in your post. If i come back i go to Kounas, 5-3 and get upgraded because of my 3750 hours, not because of any other reason. If anybody else is ready to upgrade right now and have the hours and they go to kaunas instead of resigning to go to Emirates or BA then RYR will need NOT to hire anybody else. If instead they need, the best choice is a FO with Hours and maybe someone that knows something more about the company and 25 min turn arounds. I left for a reason, the reason is not there anymore, i would come back, because Turkish is not so greener.
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Don't worry Damianik I already discuss the current situation with people who really flew thousands of hours in several airlines, who have been captains for years, who must feed a family,raise children and even put up with flying with copilots like you.....
You have already paid 30k euros for your cadetship, if you like FR so much you could ask PB to pay your way to the left seat and get BRK peanuts in return based in Kaunas on 5/3.....
Now somebody with some mature posting please.
You have already paid 30k euros for your cadetship, if you like FR so much you could ask PB to pay your way to the left seat and get BRK peanuts in return based in Kaunas on 5/3.....
Now somebody with some mature posting please.
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Hi,
E4500 a month, 100hrs+ in March, out of base???
Am I the only FO in FR not getting this?? Ive not been out of base since dec 2009! I am however very good at standing by and these flights to MMM I dont need the charts no more! Could do it in my sleep!
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E4500 a month, 100hrs+ in March, out of base???
Am I the only FO in FR not getting this?? Ive not been out of base since dec 2009! I am however very good at standing by and these flights to MMM I dont need the charts no more! Could do it in my sleep!
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RYR will need NOT to hire anybody else. If instead they need, the best choice is a FO with Hours and maybe someone that knows something more about the company and 25 min turn arounds. I left for a reason, the reason is not there anymore, i would come back, because Turkish is not so greener.
ahahaahahah.No way man, Ryanair make lots of profit with P2F cadets, this sh
t company will NOT be interested in you, I am afraid. Or they'll hire you as a cadet again.25min turnaround, that's big deal for cabin crew and dispatchers, NOT for pilots. It takes 5 minutes to program the FMS and 5 minutes to do the checks, and 2 minutes to do the departure brief.
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Fair points but,
apparently, they cannot find enough cadets, infact they are recalling for interview some people that initially they refused because not first pass at ATPL and other reasons. Probably they will hire non rated SFO so they pay Type rating as they use to do, but still they need upgradable FOs and soon. That is the problem, revenue from P2F i do not dispute, but a situation like the one Easyjet endured last summer may loose them 100 million.
For the 25 min turn around it was obviously a joke, but what i meant is that to upgrade someone 3 months after hiring him , the guy must either be an ex, or a captain already.
We will see.
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apparently, they cannot find enough cadets, infact they are recalling for interview some people that initially they refused because not first pass at ATPL and other reasons. Probably they will hire non rated SFO so they pay Type rating as they use to do, but still they need upgradable FOs and soon. That is the problem, revenue from P2F i do not dispute, but a situation like the one Easyjet endured last summer may loose them 100 million.
For the 25 min turn around it was obviously a joke, but what i meant is that to upgrade someone 3 months after hiring him , the guy must either be an ex, or a captain already.
We will see.
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Ryanair are having no problem getting cadets to me their entry requirements. They are recalling nobody. It is only current crew that they are having issues retaining
Ryanair are having no problem getting cadets to me their entry requirements. They are recalling nobody. It is only current crew that they are having issues retaining
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I teach every now and then MCC in a FTO in Rome (Alitalia), and believe me, i am submerged by requests of guys wanting me to give them a sim preparation for the ryanair assessment. They were all refused last year by CAE and SAS channels. Now with the new Oxford deal, the requirements are lower perhaps, that is what i experienced.
That means they need more cadets now that they COULD find...so they are opening up the valves for more to come in, but this guys are all 2 years unemployed..more and more cadets turn to Easy (personal experience of a friend that got offered both and choosed Easy via Oxford) or to ATC training (lots of openings now) so you should focus on this lack of BIBBLICAL number of cadets, and use it for better T e C.
Those are my 2 cents
....a cadet is not a captain next summer! and summer is near.
That means they need more cadets now that they COULD find...so they are opening up the valves for more to come in, but this guys are all 2 years unemployed..more and more cadets turn to Easy (personal experience of a friend that got offered both and choosed Easy via Oxford) or to ATC training (lots of openings now) so you should focus on this lack of BIBBLICAL number of cadets, and use it for better T e C.
Those are my 2 cents
....a cadet is not a captain next summer! and summer is near.
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@ ryanairpilotSTN,
Command in 18 months with Cargolux if you join them? Never heard of that! You sure you got or heard that right, because that is very unlikely as 8 to 10 years in right seat is normal procedure there, unless you have 10.000 hrs 744 maybe or some real good Luxemburg connections.
But anyway, good offers you got. Take it if you wanna enjoy life. If RYR had anything attractive to offer to pilots, it will disappear. Who knows the whole company might disappear because of what they do and how they run their operation. Because it seems clear their 'tricks' seem to stop working soon.
Command in 18 months with Cargolux if you join them? Never heard of that! You sure you got or heard that right, because that is very unlikely as 8 to 10 years in right seat is normal procedure there, unless you have 10.000 hrs 744 maybe or some real good Luxemburg connections.
But anyway, good offers you got. Take it if you wanna enjoy life. If RYR had anything attractive to offer to pilots, it will disappear. Who knows the whole company might disappear because of what they do and how they run their operation. Because it seems clear their 'tricks' seem to stop working soon.
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so you should focus on this lack of BIBBLICAL number of cadets, and use it for better T e C.
Those are my 2 cents
....a cadet is not a captain next summer! and summer is near.
Those are my 2 cents
....a cadet is not a captain next summer! and summer is near.
This guys is funny.....
By the way to become a Captain in FR you will need to have 2 consecutive sims to a good grade (basically 1 year) , one winter season in FR behind you, you will need to do the route to command questionnaire , you will need to do grooming flights with instructors, you will need to do CLMT flights with instructors,you will need to pass the interview with management (they will ask you why did you leave and if you intend to leave again once you have 500hours PIC), you will need to do the command upgrade groundschool, you will need to do the simulators,you will need to do the line training and after all of this if you pass you will be a restricted captain for the first 100 hours.....
All of this by next summer?Yeah right....
By the way, a newly hired DEC on the new BRK contract makes between 5 and 6k/month net, are you ready to accept it?Of course you are, you already happily paid 30k for your cadetship.....
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I said there is a lack of BIBBLICAL NUMBER of cadets, not BIBBLICAL LACK of cadets....read carefully, i said that already to you once.
Today another friend of mine initially not selected for sim assessment has been called by Oxford for the FR recruitment drive. He was not selected the last 2 times, now he is magically perfect for them.
This is what i meant, there are not so many good cadets around to select from, because the output of schools lowered in the last 2 years, and there are not "major airlines" cadets unemployed anymore around to recruit like in 2006 or 07.
(AF, AZ, LH)
So now it is either taking SFO and train them as captains soon as they used to do (SFO entered with me in 2006 was captain 6 months later, just after his second sim check with the company) so do not give me the timing issue.
And also, hiring exes will guarantee that they can use their previous record as evidence.
I asked for a document to the chief pilot the other day and he actually used my former crewcode to locate my data.
So it is not behiond reality or wisdom in this situation.
Shoot me.
Today another friend of mine initially not selected for sim assessment has been called by Oxford for the FR recruitment drive. He was not selected the last 2 times, now he is magically perfect for them.
This is what i meant, there are not so many good cadets around to select from, because the output of schools lowered in the last 2 years, and there are not "major airlines" cadets unemployed anymore around to recruit like in 2006 or 07.
(AF, AZ, LH)
So now it is either taking SFO and train them as captains soon as they used to do (SFO entered with me in 2006 was captain 6 months later, just after his second sim check with the company) so do not give me the timing issue.
And also, hiring exes will guarantee that they can use their previous record as evidence.
I asked for a document to the chief pilot the other day and he actually used my former crewcode to locate my data.
So it is not behiond reality or wisdom in this situation.
Shoot me.
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Damianik,
if you were as good of a pilot as you are in sharing "aeronautical wisdom" here on pprune you woudn't be an unhappy copilot working 2 months here and 2 months there between layoffs hoping for FR to give you an underpaid left hand seat job....
if you were as good of a pilot as you are in sharing "aeronautical wisdom" here on pprune you woudn't be an unhappy copilot working 2 months here and 2 months there between layoffs hoping for FR to give you an underpaid left hand seat job....