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Do we even know if these visits are taking place?? Usually such things are well advertised on Crewdock and the general pilot population rather than the 0.2% that populate PPRUNE are well informed of such events.
Also if the 4 year agreement is up for renewal (which it can't be - it's only half way through the last "amendment"), again, there is a lot of wrangling going on. So far - heard zip from anyone in the real World.
They've gotta do something though, I'm not aware of anyone in my immediate peer group of command ready F/Os (in most cases been ready for over a year) who aren't at the very least filling out applications - most have several interviews lined up.
Also if the 4 year agreement is up for renewal (which it can't be - it's only half way through the last "amendment"), again, there is a lot of wrangling going on. So far - heard zip from anyone in the real World.
They've gotta do something though, I'm not aware of anyone in my immediate peer group of command ready F/Os (in most cases been ready for over a year) who aren't at the very least filling out applications - most have several interviews lined up.
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Guys, I think its better to start using REPAs forums more to allow a better discussion flow. The threads on PPrune always seem to get side tracked by idiots who know very little about this industry.
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Perhaps now is the time for union recognition?
Can they afford to freeze upgrades with the impending summer schedule and resignations? I for one am very interested in the next 12 months as to what is going to happen with so many things!
Can they afford to freeze upgrades with the impending summer schedule and resignations? I for one am very interested in the next 12 months as to what is going to happen with so many things!
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... best roster, best money, best stability,, best job..why would I want to leave..
-900 hours/year equal to a salary of 5500-6000€/month net after tax (captain) and I still have to pay pension,loss of licence,healthcare,medical,car park,HOTAC,ID,uniform,food,water.....
-stability for those who are F/Os on 5/4 and get upgraded to see themselves thrown in a 5/3 base with a 10% paycut and annual leave taken away from them or allocated randomly here and there....
-the best job doesn't exist but this is far from being in the top 10....
-why leave?Well ask those 18 ONLY who resigned so far as per PB memo.....
Now it would be nice to get back on topic and exchange some info regarding these base visits.
Checked on REPA but not much there apart from a few good ideas about ways of spreading information.
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What some Ryanair pilots are experiencing here,Learning the hard way is the true face of Capatilist greed.The company can well afford to treat us better in fact a lot better but its policy of attacking the workforce and keeping us subdued has prevaled.
Some contracts are better in some places because certain bases didnt lie down.
It all comes down to the same thing here we need a union !
It is possible but we need everybodys input even if its just to join show your support and nothing else its a start.
Ring your old friends in the company get them involved actively talk about this issue with your colleagues and encourage dissent from management.
And if your still not convinced ask yourself how many times you have sat on an airplane with pax been completly responsible and not being payed for what your doing?
'The great only appear great because we are on our knees let us arise '
Some contracts are better in some places because certain bases didnt lie down.
It all comes down to the same thing here we need a union !
It is possible but we need everybodys input even if its just to join show your support and nothing else its a start.
Ring your old friends in the company get them involved actively talk about this issue with your colleagues and encourage dissent from management.
And if your still not convinced ask yourself how many times you have sat on an airplane with pax been completly responsible and not being payed for what your doing?
'The great only appear great because we are on our knees let us arise '
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I've been watching this and the other FR threads evolve on this forum, and I too am interested in
Being a member of unions in previous companies I can see how valuble they are, in all sorts of affairs. My experience of FR as so far yielded several opportunities where I wished there was someone I could speak to and take some advice. Added to that I see the money I earn spent more and more on hotac, traveling, uniform, equipment, sim etc etc. I would like this to stop, the cost of living is on the up, and money coming in is being more and more thinly spread. Living in two places (mainland EU base) at the same time doesn't help either. We all know all about these issues.
What I want to know is how does one (or many) go from this sorry state of affairs to then create bargaining power in the form of a union? What are the logical steps, or milestones that have to be reached so that a body should be recognized by the management?
Also how can this be achieved under the dictatorship we have at he moment, where everyone, admittedly myself too, is desperate for work and scared sh*tless of popping up on their problematic pilot radar? I, like 90%of the others I fly with, love my job, have great respect for most of FR, but don't want to take it in the neck any longer.
Happy flighting.
Being a member of unions in previous companies I can see how valuble they are, in all sorts of affairs. My experience of FR as so far yielded several opportunities where I wished there was someone I could speak to and take some advice. Added to that I see the money I earn spent more and more on hotac, traveling, uniform, equipment, sim etc etc. I would like this to stop, the cost of living is on the up, and money coming in is being more and more thinly spread. Living in two places (mainland EU base) at the same time doesn't help either. We all know all about these issues.
What I want to know is how does one (or many) go from this sorry state of affairs to then create bargaining power in the form of a union? What are the logical steps, or milestones that have to be reached so that a body should be recognized by the management?
Also how can this be achieved under the dictatorship we have at he moment, where everyone, admittedly myself too, is desperate for work and scared sh*tless of popping up on their problematic pilot radar? I, like 90%of the others I fly with, love my job, have great respect for most of FR, but don't want to take it in the neck any longer.
Happy flighting.
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I think the logical step would be to try and get as many people as possible to join REPA. REPA, or a nominated union of our choice, could then take the fight to management . I will be joining REPA tomorrow.I think we owe it to ourselves to fight for better T&C's.
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Just got back from a dinner with my FR buddy and 3 of the many things (mostly negative) he told me just struck me!
He said there are Captains, both directly employed by FR or by a contracting agency, who make the same or even less than some F/Os who have an older and better contract with an agency.
He told the story of some crews whose base got either closed altogether or heavily reduced in size and who had a few days to move to other bases in a different country with no assistance nor support whatsoever from the company
He mentioned flying with a guy who after finishing his line training was given a base in the Canary Islands and had 4 days off before reporting for work there, the poor guy had to ship his car by ferry for 1500€ but that would take a couple of weeks so he had to rent a car in the meanwhile and of course get a hotel and start looking for apartments for which he would have needed a couple of months deposit...the guy was right after his self sponsored training and practically broke and pretty desperate
Then I read the propaganda of people like pilot999 and I can only laugh; but I can easily see lots of you have no reason for laughing at all.
He said there are Captains, both directly employed by FR or by a contracting agency, who make the same or even less than some F/Os who have an older and better contract with an agency.
He told the story of some crews whose base got either closed altogether or heavily reduced in size and who had a few days to move to other bases in a different country with no assistance nor support whatsoever from the company
He mentioned flying with a guy who after finishing his line training was given a base in the Canary Islands and had 4 days off before reporting for work there, the poor guy had to ship his car by ferry for 1500€ but that would take a couple of weeks so he had to rent a car in the meanwhile and of course get a hotel and start looking for apartments for which he would have needed a couple of months deposit...the guy was right after his self sponsored training and practically broke and pretty desperate
Then I read the propaganda of people like pilot999 and I can only laugh; but I can easily see lots of you have no reason for laughing at all.
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I wanna tell one thing. I left FR for a fractional operator and since the crisis started we had many problems as every company. Last year we decided to form an association with a forum (just like Repa) , 70% of the pilots (total 1100) joined this association, now we are in the final stage of UNION recognition under UK law!!
I am talking about something that REPA is trying to do for ages!!
Our management is not happy and is trying to use some if not all of MOL tecniques to stop us but..guess what? WE DID NOT ...and in 30 days from now we will be a UNION with power to discuss.
It is EASY guys if you get 51% of the pilot to join REPA and vote YES...it is possible....51% will vote yes if they see why they are doing it.
DO NOT BE SCARED, they cannot fire anybody, they need you MORE than you need FR, believe me!
they need all the men they can find to fly those 737 next summer, NOW IS THE TIME!!!
DO IT, for all of us!
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I am talking about something that REPA is trying to do for ages!!
Our management is not happy and is trying to use some if not all of MOL tecniques to stop us but..guess what? WE DID NOT ...and in 30 days from now we will be a UNION with power to discuss.
It is EASY guys if you get 51% of the pilot to join REPA and vote YES...it is possible....51% will vote yes if they see why they are doing it.
DO NOT BE SCARED, they cannot fire anybody, they need you MORE than you need FR, believe me!
they need all the men they can find to fly those 737 next summer, NOW IS THE TIME!!!
DO IT, for all of us!
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5/3 not going to happen and never was going to happen - according to PB.
But no doubt that won't stop the uninformed drivel on this thread. Why are so many people from outside Ryanair reading and commenting on this thread? Why does it bother you so much? My advice is just worry about your own lives...
But no doubt that won't stop the uninformed drivel on this thread. Why are so many people from outside Ryanair reading and commenting on this thread? Why does it bother you so much? My advice is just worry about your own lives...
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Good points made Damianik about forming a union
An inhouse union or association carries more weight than third party representation.
Board of Directors nor shareholders want to see their assets sitting on the ground collecting dust and earning no income while making monthly lease payments.
With the numerous bases about Europe and keeping the masses divided, there is very little likelihood of a union or association being established with great success.
Spoke to a friend of mine who is a Ryanairster who was based in GRO. He has been re-assigned to the Barcelona base after recently purchasing an apartment. Now he has to try to sell his apartment in this down market, and commute to Barcelona. Try selling property in this market
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Good luck to all at FR.
D.O... Don't assume that some posters are not current or former FR crews... after all, you know what they say when you ASS U ME
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An inhouse union or association carries more weight than third party representation.
Board of Directors nor shareholders want to see their assets sitting on the ground collecting dust and earning no income while making monthly lease payments.
With the numerous bases about Europe and keeping the masses divided, there is very little likelihood of a union or association being established with great success.
Spoke to a friend of mine who is a Ryanairster who was based in GRO. He has been re-assigned to the Barcelona base after recently purchasing an apartment. Now he has to try to sell his apartment in this down market, and commute to Barcelona
. Try selling property in this market.Good luck to all at FR.
D.O... Don't assume that some posters are not current or former FR crews... after all, you know what they say when you ASS U ME
.
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D O Guerrero,
are you really so short sighted not to realize that the ryanair way of doing things might contaminate the whole indudtry as well?
You seem to trust PB so tell us do you really think only 18 pilots left?Wasn't the DEC program being suspended because they only wanted internal upgrades?
Since that memo resignations have reached that number per week and if you look at the RYR website the DEC program is back.
The FACTS are that T&C's have been eroded during the past few years despite huge profits made by the company year after year.
are you really so short sighted not to realize that the ryanair way of doing things might contaminate the whole indudtry as well?
You seem to trust PB so tell us do you really think only 18 pilots left?Wasn't the DEC program being suspended because they only wanted internal upgrades?
Since that memo resignations have reached that number per week and if you look at the RYR website the DEC program is back.
The FACTS are that T&C's have been eroded during the past few years despite huge profits made by the company year after year.
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I didn't assume anything. Large parts of this thread IS total rubbish written by people who don't know what they are talking about. You might think that applies to me. Fair enough. I'm not going to be losing any sleep over it. I like my job.
Yes, there are shortcomings and no it isn't perfect, but it could be a lot worse. The problem is, that people from outside Ryanair post ignorant comments (EG cadets getting paid £1 an hour or whatever), which is not a reflection of life at Ryanair and is not helpful. The point is that the majority of flightdeck personnel at Ryanair are reasonably happy and glad to have a job. The minority drip all over PPRUNE about it.
So the "appauling" business practices reflect on the business as a whole? Agreed. But I don't see anyone else being prepared to do anything about it. Face it - there is nothing anyone can or will do about it. BALPA are totally disinterested as are their membership outside Ryanair. If it doesn't affect BA, they don't want to know. So moaning about it here is going to achieve the square root of nothing - if you want to help, write to your union or your MP. I've taken a lot of action in this regard - can you all say the same?
Yes, there are shortcomings and no it isn't perfect, but it could be a lot worse. The problem is, that people from outside Ryanair post ignorant comments (EG cadets getting paid £1 an hour or whatever), which is not a reflection of life at Ryanair and is not helpful. The point is that the majority of flightdeck personnel at Ryanair are reasonably happy and glad to have a job. The minority drip all over PPRUNE about it.
So the "appauling" business practices reflect on the business as a whole? Agreed. But I don't see anyone else being prepared to do anything about it. Face it - there is nothing anyone can or will do about it. BALPA are totally disinterested as are their membership outside Ryanair. If it doesn't affect BA, they don't want to know. So moaning about it here is going to achieve the square root of nothing - if you want to help, write to your union or your MP. I've taken a lot of action in this regard - can you all say the same?