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Hello guys,
does anyone fly for Air new Zealand? How's the recruitment process and minimums?How's the roster , payscales, upgrade etc?
Any info will be greatly appreciated!!
does anyone fly for Air new Zealand? How's the recruitment process and minimums?How's the roster , payscales, upgrade etc?
Any info will be greatly appreciated!!
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Unless you are a New Zealand Citizen, with New Zealand licences and ratings, you have precisely ZERO chance of getting into Air NZ. Even if you had all that, your chances would be slim.
A bit like a New Zealander trying to get into Alitalia...
A bit like a New Zealander trying to get into Alitalia...
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..thanks for the response,
getting licences and ratings not a problem, any chances if you get there with a permanent residence permit? what about starting in a subsidiary like mount cook? any clue why would it be so difficult?
getting licences and ratings not a problem, any chances if you get there with a permanent residence permit? what about starting in a subsidiary like mount cook? any clue why would it be so difficult?
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Mainline not currently hiring.
For the regionals see here: As a Pilot - Working With Us - Air Nelson - Air Nelson Site
For the regionals see here: As a Pilot - Working With Us - Air Nelson - Air Nelson Site
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It's difficult enough for locals, and you will find that regionals like Air Nelson have quaint rules, such as the famous "you must have 50 hours recent NZ IFR experience".
Even returning Kiwis are treated like pariahs for committing the grave sin of leaving NZ and getting some overseas experience.
The only (possibly) good news is that all recruitment for the "link" carriers will be done via Air NZ, probably from the next hiring round.
Good luck with it though, if you can crack it you will have done very well.
Even returning Kiwis are treated like pariahs for committing the grave sin of leaving NZ and getting some overseas experience.
The only (possibly) good news is that all recruitment for the "link" carriers will be done via Air NZ, probably from the next hiring round.
Good luck with it though, if you can crack it you will have done very well.
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Thank you remoak for your advice, and thank you for keepin it real...
i'm a little disappointed that in 2011 there's still some protectionism around the world.. anyway it is just my utopia...
I'm workin' on getting the skilled migrant residence permit since i 've got an engineering degree and then work my way around it..but will see..
Any idea of how the roster is working? Payscales? how's the work environment?
and the successful minima for applicants?
Thanks
i'm a little disappointed that in 2011 there's still some protectionism around the world.. anyway it is just my utopia...
I'm workin' on getting the skilled migrant residence permit since i 've got an engineering degree and then work my way around it..but will see..
Any idea of how the roster is working? Payscales? how's the work environment?
and the successful minima for applicants?Thanks
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New Zealand Experience
Well to try give you some insight of what you are going to be getting yourself into, I have been in New Zealand now for 2 years and have not set foot in a kiwi registered aircraft. I have an NZ ATPL, over 3500 hours in a commercial invironment, most of these hours are multi command, over 1000 hours command B200 and the rest on jet on the Embraer Legacy. I have been lucky enough to have flown throughout the world but am unable to secure a job here as I dont have NZ experience. They would rather hire an 800 hour pilot that has been a PPl instructor all his career.
I went for an interview with Pac Blue and told they thought I fit the mould and would be well suited for the company, but until I geyt 6 months NZ experience then there is no way to get employed.
It is obviously the kiwi's protecting the kiwi's here. I hope I am wrong but so far everyone I speak to agrees.
Maybe the air is different in NZ !!!!!!!!
Anyway 2 years and no flying job. Its hard to keep current as not a cheap exercise. I have tried everyone from Mt Cook, Air Nelson, Air NZ and Eagle Airways but with the same requirement......NZ experience.
Anyway i would be interested in the views of others who have tried or are trying and also from those kiwi's that are flying and their thought on this subject.
Good luck mate
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Hi Folks, it is a steady "Kiwi" fight to protect the Jobs there. How about we turn around now and ask specificaly the "Kiwi´s" flying abroad to have sniffed some recent Air where they want to fly?!?!?!?!
You can find NZ-Pilots in Asia, Europe and Africa, they are fun to fly with and good Mate´s. It is a pitty that it does not work the other way. It is not only in Aviation, you can see other areas where the "NZ only" is the obstacle. I recently in a Supermarket found NZ-Cheese, try to bring that into the Country. Biometric security ?? Works one way only as well. More needed ? Welcome to 2011, maybe we are still counting the wrong calender??
You can find NZ-Pilots in Asia, Europe and Africa, they are fun to fly with and good Mate´s. It is a pitty that it does not work the other way. It is not only in Aviation, you can see other areas where the "NZ only" is the obstacle. I recently in a Supermarket found NZ-Cheese, try to bring that into the Country. Biometric security ?? Works one way only as well. More needed ? Welcome to 2011, maybe we are still counting the wrong calender??
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Try contact Rishworth Aviation, few years back JP got me a job offer with Air Nelson on the Dash. But he made it clear that the only way for me to move up to ANZ was to "transform" into a kiwi within the industry.
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There is another way.......Marry a Kiwi!
I have a family friend who was recently offered a position at ANZ. He is though a capt with a large charter company and has approx 10000hrs. Married a kiwi many years ago and lifestyle for their impending family pushed a drive to go.
There is always hope!!
Best of Luck
I have a family friend who was recently offered a position at ANZ. He is though a capt with a large charter company and has approx 10000hrs. Married a kiwi many years ago and lifestyle for their impending family pushed a drive to go.
There is always hope!!
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Kiwi's around the world
Thanks for some of those comments and true as well.
I have flown extensively throughout Europe and you always hear Nz guys on the radio. This is too true within the UAE as well. Emirates to be exact. If Emirates opened a base in Auckland, half of Dubai would leave!!! jokes but prob right. Loads of ex pats. Kiwi's are allowed to take jobs anywhere in the world but dont try take theirs in NZ. No chance. I had an argument with the recruiter from Eagle Airways regarding NZ experience. this was my result she did not want to know.
As for Air NZ, I have a friend who is very senior in Emirates and a training captain on the 777. He made some enquiries with Air NZ and possible positions and was told that his experience is irrelevant and will be an FO for many years to come. He told them to
and stop all their . So like BA, once you in you will have to wait years and years for any upgrade to command etc. Like my friend at Emirates said, screw that as he would go from being a senior training captain in Emirates to a career FO probably training his captain and for a huge salary drop.
I wish some recruiters from within NZ could comment.
I have flown extensively throughout Europe and you always hear Nz guys on the radio. This is too true within the UAE as well. Emirates to be exact. If Emirates opened a base in Auckland, half of Dubai would leave!!! jokes but prob right. Loads of ex pats. Kiwi's are allowed to take jobs anywhere in the world but dont try take theirs in NZ. No chance. I had an argument with the recruiter from Eagle Airways regarding NZ experience.
this was my result she did not want to know.As for Air NZ, I have a friend who is very senior in Emirates and a training captain on the 777. He made some enquiries with Air NZ and possible positions and was told that his experience is irrelevant and will be an FO for many years to come. He told them to
and stop all their . So like BA, once you in you will have to wait years and years for any upgrade to command etc. Like my friend at Emirates said, screw that as he would go from being a senior training captain in Emirates to a career FO probably training his captain and for a huge salary drop.I wish some recruiters from within NZ could comment.
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Surely it's not that hard to figure out?
NZ has a minuscule aviation employment market and yet every third person born grows up wanting to be a pilot. There is a ridiculous over supply but we just can't help ourselves.
And so in order to feed the addiction there must be close to 200,000 or maybe more NZ pilots working overseas. The company I work for in Asia employs from all over the world and yet kiwis have always made up a steady 20% of the pilot group.
I'm not saying that is necessarily right and NZ is potentially losing out on broadening the depth of experience in the industry but it is understandable. Many lament the brain-drain of NZers leaving for better opportunities. Opening the flood gates to the swathe of pilot applications from non-nationals would no doubt help accelerate that drain (with pilots have some of the largest student loan balances owed to the NZ Government).
But if you can crack it goodonya!
NZ has a minuscule aviation employment market and yet every third person born grows up wanting to be a pilot. There is a ridiculous over supply but we just can't help ourselves.
And so in order to feed the addiction there must be close to 200,000 or maybe more NZ pilots working overseas. The company I work for in Asia employs from all over the world and yet kiwis have always made up a steady 20% of the pilot group.
I'm not saying that is necessarily right and NZ is potentially losing out on broadening the depth of experience in the industry but it is understandable. Many lament the brain-drain of NZers leaving for better opportunities. Opening the flood gates to the swathe of pilot applications from non-nationals would no doubt help accelerate that drain (with pilots have some of the largest student loan balances owed to the NZ Government).
But if you can crack it goodonya!
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Massey I'm in complete agreement to you....its all about the locals looking after the locals.
If you are on the outside it seems unfair, if you are on the inside it seems just...and if its their train set, no matter how much shouting, table thumping or hand wringing...its their train set.
Air NZ is a special case in the sense that its a heavily unionized national carrier, by definition the union and airline can pretty much do what suits their own interests with respect to recruitment/experience etc etc.
As for gaining NZ experience, well I get about 6 hrs of flying in the NZ FIR a month....so I'm well on my way to that magic 50hrs.....am just dusting off my application to fly the mighty Dush ate qeww 3 hundrud
The attitudes in NZ aviation are no different to what it was like 15 years ago when I left.
tempesta, listen to the oracle that is remoke, he is omnipotent
If you are on the outside it seems unfair, if you are on the inside it seems just...and if its their train set, no matter how much shouting, table thumping or hand wringing...its their train set.
Air NZ is a special case in the sense that its a heavily unionized national carrier, by definition the union and airline can pretty much do what suits their own interests with respect to recruitment/experience etc etc.
As for gaining NZ experience, well I get about 6 hrs of flying in the NZ FIR a month....so I'm well on my way to that magic 50hrs.....am just dusting off my application to fly the mighty Dush ate qeww 3 hundrud
The attitudes in NZ aviation are no different to what it was like 15 years ago when I left.
tempesta, listen to the oracle that is remoke, he is omnipotent
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When I worked for Air Nelson we had pilots from all over, a lot of Australians, an American, an Israili, etc. If they want 6 months NZ experience it shouldn't be too hard to get. Start by joining an Aeroclub, or get a job with one of the third level operators. If you want a job in aviation in NZ you have to be prepared to start at the bottom and work upwards. They don't have the rapid expansion that you have seen in Europe over the last decade, up to the crash, baring any start ups trying to prise their way in to an oversubscribed and limited market. The NZ population is probably less than many of the major cities in europe.
They have fairly extensive discrimination laws in NZ and if you have the right to live and work in NZ then you should get an equal oportunity along with any others. Talk to NZALPA, or join if you are seeking employment in NZ
I would doubt that Air NZ would have the need to employ any direct entry 777 trainers, they have been flying the 777 for a good many years. As far as being an FO and training the Captains there, I would bet the house that all the Air NZ captains on the 777 would have very extensive experience on type and on the 767/747 as well. A friend of mine who joined Air NZ over 20 years ago was still in the right hand seat on the 777. Its not an airline that you can join and expect to get a fast track command.
They have fairly extensive discrimination laws in NZ and if you have the right to live and work in NZ then you should get an equal oportunity along with any others. Talk to NZALPA, or join if you are seeking employment in NZ
I would doubt that Air NZ would have the need to employ any direct entry 777 trainers, they have been flying the 777 for a good many years. As far as being an FO and training the Captains there, I would bet the house that all the Air NZ captains on the 777 would have very extensive experience on type and on the 767/747 as well. A friend of mine who joined Air NZ over 20 years ago was still in the right hand seat on the 777. Its not an airline that you can join and expect to get a fast track command.
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Hit the nail on the head
You commented on an Israeli and an American, well exactly one of each. I wonder who the rest was?
I am not only talking about Air NZ, to be honest would be the last airline i would want to join. I have seen the crew walking around the airports and most look scruffy with the odd one looking the part. Maybe standards are not there anymore. cant comment on that. As for waiting 13 years for command......I would prefer to wait for that somewhere else.
The likes of Eagle, Air Nelson are also to blame. The lady at eagle kept on going on about you need NZ experience because of customer service etc onboard the B1900! Is this the only place where customer service happens???? From what I have seen I doubt it.
As for starting at the bottom....well I have done that to get where I am now and with good experience behind me, I never thought I would have to go fly a C172 to get flying again. Not saying I wouldnt do it. I was offered a job flying a C172 to the coromandel for $11.50 an hour come on that would not even cover my petrol to drive to the airport for the month. I am not prepared to fly for nothing and the people who do are the people responsible for screwing the industry salaries.
As for Asia, well great if you single, have no family or dont like your wife but if you enjoy family life, have kids at school etc you cannot just get up and leave so you have to try make something work.
As a passenger onboard a jet, i think i would rather have a foreigner with 4000hours and the right to live and work behind the stick than have a local with 200hours and thinking that this guy has to get us out of trouble when the captain kicks over or the **** hits the fan. I know who I would prefer.
Put your family/kids in that plane....... now tell me you are happy to see a 200hour FO behind the stick.
I know from RyanAir that most of these 250 hour pilot have never seen anything besides EFIS dont know what an RMI is and cant tell you where they are flying over without a look at the FMC. When the screens go blank.......so do they. And that is straight from a trainer!!
Time to crack on looking for the job!!
Thanks guys
I am not only talking about Air NZ, to be honest would be the last airline i would want to join. I have seen the crew walking around the airports and most look scruffy with the odd one looking the part. Maybe standards are not there anymore. cant comment on that. As for waiting 13 years for command......I would prefer to wait for that somewhere else.
The likes of Eagle, Air Nelson are also to blame. The lady at eagle kept on going on about you need NZ experience because of customer service etc onboard the B1900! Is this the only place where customer service happens???? From what I have seen I doubt it.
As for starting at the bottom....well I have done that to get where I am now and with good experience behind me, I never thought I would have to go fly a C172 to get flying again. Not saying I wouldnt do it. I was offered a job flying a C172 to the coromandel for $11.50 an hour
come on that would not even cover my petrol to drive to the airport for the month. I am not prepared to fly for nothing and the people who do are the people responsible for screwing the industry salaries.As for Asia, well great if you single, have no family or dont like your wife but if you enjoy family life, have kids at school etc you cannot just get up and leave so you have to try make something work.
As a passenger onboard a jet, i think i would rather have a foreigner with 4000hours and the right to live and work behind the stick than have a local with 200hours and thinking that this guy has to get us out of trouble when the captain kicks over or the **** hits the fan. I know who I would prefer.
Put your family/kids in that plane....... now tell me you are happy to see a 200hour FO behind the stick.
I know from RyanAir that most of these 250 hour pilot have never seen anything besides EFIS dont know what an RMI is and cant tell you where they are flying over without a look at the FMC. When the screens go blank.......so do they. And that is straight from a trainer!!
Time to crack on looking for the job!!
Thanks guys
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He means an analogue RMI, and he is absolutely right.
Not sure that Air NZ crew look scruffy, and it's a nice uniform... however, most of the ones I have met in recent times are arrogant who think they are the gods of aviation. Mind you, that is a pretty standard NZ mindset... everyone from the CAA on down think they are the only ones that know anything about aviation. Young guys believe the hype until they travel overseas and realise that a) NZ airspace isn't even slightly busy, and b) Air NZ is just a relatively small airline and pretty insignificant on the world stage. I have flown for regional carriers that were twice the size of Air NZ.
They are great to travel with, have a great product, and do things in a fun way... but in Flight Ops, are still arrogant and closed-minded. And the union is no better... in fact it's a complete joke.
Much better jobs to be found elsewhere, frankly.
Can't beat the Kiwi lifestyle though...
Not sure that Air NZ crew look scruffy, and it's a nice uniform... however, most of the ones I have met in recent times are arrogant
who think they are the gods of aviation. Mind you, that is a pretty standard NZ mindset... everyone from the CAA on down think they are the only ones that know anything about aviation. Young guys believe the hype until they travel overseas and realise that a) NZ airspace isn't even slightly busy, and b) Air NZ is just a relatively small airline and pretty insignificant on the world stage. I have flown for regional carriers that were twice the size of Air NZ.They are great to travel with, have a great product, and do things in a fun way... but in Flight Ops, are still arrogant and closed-minded. And the union is no better... in fact it's a complete joke.
Much better jobs to be found elsewhere, frankly.
Can't beat the Kiwi lifestyle though...
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I'm workin' on getting the skilled migrant residence permit since i 've got an engineering degree and then work my way around it..but will see..
In other words, if you work as a pilot instead of working as an engineer, home you will go. (Then after X-amount of years you can do what you want)
Good luck though, I wish to follow at some stage.
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Yeah yeah yeah ... returning expat sky gods have flown off-shore, now have 4000 hrs of Bus time down to Majorca.... " Those hay-seed Kiwis from the bottom of the sleepy ol south pacific will be clamouring for my extensive international experience, Ill show em how its done in the real world " ...!
-Last time I checked the average age in Air NZ mainline was about 48 +/- and climbing, probably makes the "average" hours over 20000 (dont quote)
-Money may not be the best in the world but conditions, lifestyle and satisfaction (generally) with the company is excellent. The corner stone to this is seniority and most would agree we would like to keep it this way.
-Before someone says it or thinks it .. I can find someone from within the company who has more experience, time, ratings and other quals than you do.
-Air NZ have pilots from just about every major western Airforce (including SAF), test pilots and GA from around the world (OK no astronauts)
-Has it ever occured to some here that most Air NZ mainline pilots spend all their time flying "overseas" to those busy ports that are supposed to be so demanding ( OK Im still waiting for that last one)
As for being arrogant, Ive heard others saying similar things about QF crew as well, so far all the QF crew Ive had a beer with have been excellent. (yes I know )
So tempesta
Recruitment ...slow
Minimums ... high
Rosters .. good
Payscales ... OK
Upgrades ... Whats that
PS... BFF is bout the only one here thats made any sense
-Last time I checked the average age in Air NZ mainline was about 48 +/- and climbing, probably makes the "average" hours over 20000 (dont quote)
-Money may not be the best in the world but conditions, lifestyle and satisfaction (generally) with the company is excellent. The corner stone to this is seniority and most would agree we would like to keep it this way.
-Before someone says it or thinks it .. I can find someone from within the company who has more experience, time, ratings and other quals than you do.
-Air NZ have pilots from just about every major western Airforce (including SAF), test pilots and GA from around the world (OK no astronauts)
-Has it ever occured to some here that most Air NZ mainline pilots spend all their time flying "overseas" to those busy ports that are supposed to be so demanding ( OK Im still waiting for that last one)
As for being arrogant, Ive heard others saying similar things about QF crew as well, so far all the QF crew Ive had a beer with have been excellent. (yes I know )
So tempesta
Recruitment ...slow
Minimums ... high
Rosters .. good
Payscales ... OK
Upgrades ... Whats that
PS... BFF is bout the only one here thats made any sense
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Slamer,
Thanks for all the Air NZ info. I am talking about NZ in general and not only Air NZ.
Its even in the small carriers like Eagle Airways. I know of an expat who came over to NZ when Eagle was just getting the B1900, he had 2000 on type and in excess of 10000total and he was turned down because he had no NZ experience and they took on a Kiwi with 800 hours. It took this same bloke 6 years to get a flying job here (chief pilot) he has since jacked in flying all together as he is sick of all the nonsense.
As for starting at the bottom again....SLAMER would go from being a Captain on 747 to flying a C172 around for $11.50 an hour to get the so called NZ experience? Not sure what experience you would get but would you actually be able to find that job and would you be given it as you wouldnt have their the first requirement........yes you guessed it.....NZ Experience!
If this overseas experience is not that great then why are there so many Kiwi pilots throughout the world and not all sitting in Auckland or Christchurch..........because they have left to go get some of the golden stuff........EXPERIENCE.
As for these demanding airports you talk about overseas........ well compared to the airports here, I think they are as you say.
What is this big thing 'NZ EXPERIENCE' that they weant you to get..... is the air different, the plane different or maybe an ILS or an NDB thats different,
at least they have had the experience of flying into much more demanding airports, areas, countries than rather the same old A to B, B to A etc etc
Some of the ski resorts within Europe are demanding and no big stuff can get, most visual from 13000ft and no chance to recover from an engine failure on the missed approach. That to me is experience in itself and coming from a corporate background, the everyday flying is challening and demanding as you never going into the same places twice in a day or even a month, weather a big issue into some of the airports and performance just within the envelope.
Its funny how my skill (not flying) was required when I arrived in NZ, they used me for it and made me pay a great amount for residence etc even though they needed my trade and therefore i think I deserve the right to be able to apply for any job I want. I might not be a KIWI by birth but since immigrating here, i abide by your rules, regs( even though some I dont agree with and dont try change them) and I even support the All Blacks !!!!
So I think this NZ experience thing is a waste of time.
If you have the right to live and work......then you should be able to do just that............................... WORK!!!!
Have a good weekend guys.
Thanks for all the Air NZ info. I am talking about NZ in general and not only Air NZ.
Its even in the small carriers like Eagle Airways. I know of an expat who came over to NZ when Eagle was just getting the B1900, he had 2000 on type and in excess of 10000total and he was turned down because he had no NZ experience and they took on a Kiwi with 800 hours. It took this same bloke 6 years to get a flying job here (chief pilot) he has since jacked in flying all together as he is sick of all the nonsense.
As for starting at the bottom again....SLAMER would go from being a Captain on 747 to flying a C172 around for $11.50 an hour to get the so called NZ experience? Not sure what experience you would get but would you actually be able to find that job and would you be given it as you wouldnt have their the first requirement........yes you guessed it.....NZ Experience!
If this overseas experience is not that great then why are there so many Kiwi pilots throughout the world and not all sitting in Auckland or Christchurch..........because they have left to go get some of the golden stuff........EXPERIENCE.
As for these demanding airports you talk about overseas........ well compared to the airports here, I think they are as you say.
What is this big thing 'NZ EXPERIENCE' that they weant you to get..... is the air different, the plane different or maybe an ILS or an NDB thats different,
at least they have had the experience of flying into much more demanding airports, areas, countries than rather the same old A to B, B to A etc etc
Some of the ski resorts within Europe are demanding and no big stuff can get, most visual from 13000ft and no chance to recover from an engine failure on the missed approach. That to me is experience in itself and coming from a corporate background, the everyday flying is challening and demanding as you never going into the same places twice in a day or even a month, weather a big issue into some of the airports and performance just within the envelope.
Its funny how my skill (not flying) was required when I arrived in NZ, they used me for it and made me pay a great amount for residence etc even though they needed my trade and therefore i think I deserve the right to be able to apply for any job I want. I might not be a KIWI by birth but since immigrating here, i abide by your rules, regs( even though some I dont agree with and dont try change them) and I even support the All Blacks !!!!
So I think this NZ experience thing is a waste of time.
If you have the right to live and work......then you should be able to do just that............................... WORK!!!!
Have a good weekend guys.
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