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Old 25th Oct 2018, 16:20
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Originally Posted by 4engines4longhaul View Post
Risky Bis

Year 1 F/O starts on 74000 and rises through 16 increments to 101000

Year 1 Capt starts on 121000 and rises through 14 increments to 163000

Plus extra working/overtime/day off payments etc for those that way inclined

Might be wrong but think current deal runs until Autumn 2019
Take home Pay , assuming UK tax

Y1 FO 4,244.96 a month
Y1 Capt 6,166.62 a month
Y16 FO 5,533.30 a month

So after 16 years you get a command and hey ho another 600/month. Just Saying !
Top Captain Pay, after around 25-30 years service = 8,100

Y1 China contract Capt take home 19500/ month . And rising .

UK Pay is pathetic. The airlines rely on the love of flying being paramount.

Branson's not filthy rich for being stupid . Willy Walsh has sussed it too. Offer the world. But not the pay.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 17:26
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Originally Posted by The Crew View Post
Take home Pay , assuming UK tax

Y1 FO 4,244.96 a month
Y1 Capt 6,166.62 a month
Y16 FO 5,533.30 a month

So after 16 years you get a command and hey ho another 600/month. Just Saying !
Top Captain Pay, after around 25-30 years service = 8,100

Y1 China contract Capt take home 19500/ month . And rising .

UK Pay is pathetic. The airlines rely on the love of flying being paramount.

Branson's not filthy rich for being stupid . Willy Walsh has sussed it too. Offer the world. But not the pay.
yes yes
But there is a reason for the high pay in China ......
good luck calling in fatigued

I understand the problem , its the same in BA also
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 13:05
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Yep, salaries in China are going through the roof, but one has to ask the question why that is ?

You are quite right “The Crew” when you quote net UK salary but that is not Virgin’s fault that we are so heavily taxed, and one has to put the package into context. Does a China contract provide for any pension/LOL/Healthcare/Death in Service/PHI etc ? I might be wrong but I understand you have to self fund this.

At the top of the Virgin tree a year 14 Captain and TRE is on about 185000. The company put 15% of this towards a pension which is 27000 a year. I would hazard a guess that to self fund the other benefits would be in the region of another 10000 a year which is about 225000 a year which is 18000 a month approx.

Just because the F/O pay scales go up to year 16 does not mean anyone will reach that. Commands have never been more than 13 years and now trickling towards the year 9 mark and will be at about year 8 very soon I reckon. The retirement bulge is already starting and company figures have to naturally be based on everyone leaving at 65, wheras most will leave before that.

Is it all a bed of roses here ? No, it is not, but what we have we will fight to maintain, including the golden egg of 750 hours.

19000 a month to work in China ? Personally I would want a lot more than that. In fact I would not work there for all the tea in China

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Old 26th Oct 2018, 14:21
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Emails are being sent out to hold poolers about Airbus CCQ start dates in March. Any recipients?
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 14:28
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Nothing here,
I believe the person who sends out the emails is now on leave for a couple if weeks as of yesterday so I'm not expecting to hear anything until at least mid next month.
happy to be corrected though!
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 15:48
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Nothing here
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 20:17
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Originally Posted by 4engines4longhaul View Post
Yep, salaries in China are going through the roof, but one has to ask the question why that is ?

You are quite right The Crew when you quote net UK salary but that is not Virgins fault that we are so heavily taxed, and one has to put the package into context. Does a China contract provide for any pension/LOL/Healthcare/Death in Service/PHI etc ? I might be wrong but I understand you have to self fund this.

At the top of the Virgin tree a year 14 Captain and TRE is on about 185000. The company put 15% of this towards a pension which is 27000 a year. I would hazard a guess that to self fund the other benefits would be in the region of another 10000 a year which is about 225000 a year which is 18000 a month approx.

Just because the F/O pay scales go up to year 16 does not mean anyone will reach that. Commands have never been more than 13 years and now trickling towards the year 9 mark and will be at about year 8 very soon I reckon. The retirement bulge is already starting and company figures have to naturally be based on everyone leaving at 65, wheras most will leave before that.

Is it all a bed of roses here ? No, it is not, but what we have we will fight to maintain, including the golden egg of 750 hours.

19000 a month to work in China ? Personally I would want a lot more than that. In fact I would not work there for all the tea in China


Yes. Great package. Bloomin marvellous. But is it sustainable for an airline that makes absolutely no money?

VA only exist for political reasons. No way Delta will continue to feeding the dead donkey unless it suits and that could change as quick as the wind.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 05:36
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By the looks of it , Virgin has never really made that much ever . Im sure there is a reason for that (probably as a tax haven)
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 10:31
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Originally Posted by 4engines4longhaul View Post
Yep, salaries in China are going through the roof, but one has to ask the question why that is ?

You are quite right “The Crew” when you quote net UK salary but that is not Virgin’s fault that we are so heavily taxed, and one has to put the package into context. Does a China contract provide for any pension/LOL/Healthcare/Death in Service/PHI etc ? I might be wrong but I understand you have to self fund this.

At the top of the Virgin tree a year 14 Captain and TRE is on about 185000. The company put 15% of this towards a pension which is 27000 a year. I would hazard a guess that to self fund the other benefits would be in the region of another 10000 a year which is about 225000 a year which is 18000 a month approx.

Just because the F/O pay scales go up to year 16 does not mean anyone will reach that. Commands have never been more than 13 years and now trickling towards the year 9 mark and will be at about year 8 very soon I reckon. The retirement bulge is already starting and company figures have to naturally be based on everyone leaving at 65, wheras most will leave before that.

Is it all a bed of roses here ? No, it is not, but what we have we will fight to maintain, including the golden egg of 750 hours.

19000 a month to work in China ? Personally I would want a lot more than that. In fact I would not work there for all the tea in China


225000 in the U.K. you will not take home 18000 a month try 10800 a month. In China you could spend 9000 a month living very well or on a commute contract get back home on weeks off. Save/invest the rest. Yes it’s not for everyone, China is a very marmite country.
I know someone who is doing this plan for 5 years then if his property investments work he will retire. He’s under 50
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 10:23
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Accepting that some people dont want to do commuting contracts or bring their children up in China, this must be one of the better jobs available in the UK. Hope they dont ruin it by joining aggressively the race to the bottom.

Has anyone applying to the current Boeing TR campaign heard anything yet?

Any rumours regarding start dates? Are they likely to be spring time like the Airbus swimmers are, or more like a long term holding pool scenario?

Cheers
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Old 29th Oct 2018, 15:57
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I just ran a reverse tax calculation . To take home 19000 / month , in the UK you would have to earn 410,000 per year. No commercial pilot in a brit airline earns this amount . Managers... yea you bet .


The point is a junior captain from easyjet , with 500 hours and around 7 years from their ab
initio training can relocate to Beijing & be taking home 19000 per month. Yes you live in china but wow , after 5 yrs come back and join Virgin. The money wont have changed one bit !
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Old 30th Oct 2018, 13:08
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All the money in the world won't cover up being fined for missing block time, unstable approaches and being spat at by a chain smoking Chinese captain I suspect... Plus all that time away from family

I have a name for someone who takes money for doing something they really don't want to do. Life is too short.
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Old 15th Nov 2018, 08:44
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Any news from anyone else in the airbus holdpool? Been swimming for a few months and no call yet
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Old 15th Nov 2018, 08:55
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Or anyone who applied for the recent Boeing TRd campaign heard anything yet? Even PFOs?
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 10:50
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Or anyone who applied for the recent Boeing TRd campaign heard anything yet? Even PFOs?

A friend of mine said he got a rejection letter some time back.
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 11:13
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A friend of mine said he got a rejection letter some time back.
Interesting, have heard neither good nor bad. Would rather just know one way or another
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Old 4th Jan 2019, 11:31
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Airbus start dates for April have been sent out the last few weeks. I believe they're running a330 courses from January to May. That could be it for Airbus for now. Now sure about Boeing.
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Old 6th Jan 2019, 13:21
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Originally Posted by zero/zero View Post


Interesting, have heard neither good nor bad. Would rather just know one way or another
I am the same, heard nothing. But I believe they have interviewed people for the current campaign. I was offered an interview before 2-3 years ago (was forced to turn it down which is another story). And that was almost a month to the day after Id applied that I got the interview offer.

So after 2-3 months since applying, I am thinking its unlikely well be invited to interview, maybe keeping us on file as a backup? But could be wrong.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 19:20
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Id heard rumours in years gone by that VS was going to reduce the hours required to 1500, down from 2500... is that firmly a rumour mill product or is there any truth in it?
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 06:06
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Id heard rumours in years gone by that VS was going to reduce the hours required to 1500, down from 2500... is that firmly a rumour mill product or is there any truth in it?
havent heard any truth regarding the matter , one of the great things I have noticed over my very short time of being here is how relaxed the operation is . Its probably got to do with the experience, as most guys that join have had a couple of years under the belt . So when a skipper sees a 2 stripper they dont have to panic
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