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Old 16th Oct 2018, 18:15
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Still swimming in the Airbus pool here.
anybody received any news recently?
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Old 21st Oct 2018, 22:41
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Originally Posted by 4engines4longhaul View Post
Risky Bis

Year 1 F/O starts on £74000 and rises through 16 increments to £101000

Year 1 Capt starts on £121000 and rises through 14 increments to £163000

Plus extra working/overtime/day off payments etc for those that way inclined

Might be wrong but think current deal runs until Autumn 2019

Any idea of the rates for sector/duty/per diems? Trying to work out if it's worth applying/moving to VS to scratch the long haul itch if successful or staying put and moving seats with my current mob, but spending the rest of my career flying buckets and spades to the med.
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 00:06
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That’s it I’m afraid unless you elect to work extra - apart from subsistence allowances which i’d guess average around $1000 per month on my fleet.
All spent downroute of course Mr Tax Man.....
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 07:13
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My application is in , now the long wait !!
Im not expecting much as I heard that every time they open up recruitment they receive thousands of applications literally within a few days !!
I quite like the fact VS just slips along with itís head below the radar , and is arguably the best gig to work for in the UK (for LH)
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 14:14
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Riskybis indeed..... not looking too pretty at VA following the Benefits Review.

The business needs to seriously lean up its operation, looks like pilots will be taking the brunt of it first before they start at the hoards of unnecessary bottom feeders who occupy "the base".



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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 15:26
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Originally Posted by Mrmorreti View Post
Riskybis indeed..... not looking too pretty at VA following the Benefits Review.

The business needs to seriously lean up its operation, looks like pilots will be taking the brunt of it first before they start at the hoards of unnecessary bottom feeders who occupy "the base".



tell me a company which doesnít try and take from the pilots and I will show you a company that doesnít exist

benefits are still pretty good

the main thing is the 750hrs a year , that is an absolute must and cannot go!!
Definetly one of the big points of me applying
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 18:00
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Originally Posted by Mrmorreti View Post
Riskybis indeed..... not looking too pretty at VA following the Benefits Review.

The business needs to seriously lean up its operation, looks like pilots will be taking the brunt of it first before they start at the hoards of unnecessary bottom feeders who occupy "the base".
Can you elaborate on the benefits review?

Thanks.
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 18:27
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I believe itís a reduced pension for new joiners , it stays at 15% for guys already in . But for new pilots it will be 10%
Also income protection is now capped at 5 years , not sure what it was tbh.
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 18:34
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Currently in the airbus hold pool...is this likely to become a reality before any others join the company?
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 07:41
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Originally Posted by Snapper5 View Post
I believe itís a reduced pension for new joiners , it stays at 15% for guys already in . But for new pilots it will be 10%
Also income protection is now capped at 5 years , not sure what it was tbh.
That would be very interesting... even BA racing to the bottom still offer 15% company contribution. Albeit youíll work harder and fly more
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 08:23
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That would be very interesting... even BA racing to the bottom still offer 15% company contribution. Albeit youíll work harder and fly more
Surely the current pilots and unions will threaten to strike if Virgin try destroying the terms and conditions for future generations....... Oh no of course they wonít, the ďIím alright jackĒ mentality strikes again. Caution to Virgin pilots that attitude has destroyed BA and BALPA, a divided workforce will put all the power in the hands of the company, do all you can to avoid this, in the end they will get you too!
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 08:42
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Surely the current pilots and unions will threaten to strike if Virgin try destroying the terms and conditions for future generations....... Oh no of course they wonít, the ďIím alright jackĒ mentality strikes again. Caution to Virgin pilots that attitude has destroyed BA and BALPA, a divided workforce will put all the power in the hands of the company, do all you can to avoid this, in the end they will get you too!
i agree with you Enzo , you guys at Virgin donít want it going down the road of BA !!! Like the pp34 etc....
even with the profits we make at BA we will still get screwed !
I have heard that Virgin wonít make a profit this year (but thatís usually the case I hear as tax is nobodyís friend) and thatís what they want there employees to think to reduce terms ?? Anyone reflect on this
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 08:48
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Originally Posted by Enzo999 View Post


Surely the current pilots and unions will threaten to strike if Virgin try destroying the terms and conditions for future generations....... Oh no of course they wonít, the ďIím alright jackĒ mentality strikes again. Caution to Virgin pilots that attitude has destroyed BA and BALPA, a divided workforce will put all the power in the hands of the company, do all you can to avoid this, in the end they will get you too!
I very much agree with this. Iíve worked at a place that did this. It created a B scale. The company then recruited in a frenzy onto the B scale. Guess who then holds significant voting power in a few years? A firm knows divide and concur works. All it then needs to do is offer the B scalers a sweetened deal in return for a down vote on A scalerís terms - the very A scalers who sold them out years ago in belief they had feathered their own nests.

The firm in new negotiation tell the B scalers a few ďbad truthsĒ about how the A scalers are willing to sell them out and then itís a down vote for the Aís in return for a mediocre improvement for the Bs. The chickens come home to roost. And in years to come the whole process repeats with pay and pensions onto C scales.

Terms being stepped down like that is the oldest trick in the industrial handbook. Once youíve divided yourselves, youíre at risk. Donít fall for the temptation.

I see the same thing I left behind now playing out at BA. The cogs in motion.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 10:51
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Future of Virgin

Can anyone clarify the pension rumours?

If its anything like my employer, they try and take take take even when making record profits. How has it been at virgin? Do they use losses as an excuse to attack pilot t&cís every year (especially now with invested interest from delta, Air France/KLM)?

Does anyone have any ideas on the long term game plan for the airline? Delta has 49%, Air France-KLM to have 31%, so with delta having 10% of Air France-KLM, technically Delta have a majority? I could be confusing it in my head though.. Any talk of what their long term game plan is? Will it purely be transatlantic stuff with time?

Bransonís letter to his employees says heís Ďagreed with our partners how important it is the Virgin Atlantic brand lives oní but thereís nothing definitively saying they canít stop that being the case. I look at how Alaska bought out Virgin America and collapsed the brand and it worries me (different business model I suppose you could argue).

Fot the record Iíve always wanted to work for virgin, but some clarity on its future/plans for changes to its structure & working conditions would be really useful if thereís any talk out there?

Also so feel free to correct my doubts above!!
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 11:54
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Well put flightpattern. I wouldn't mind some clarification from the inside too, if anyone can shed some light on things. Has this Benefit Review chipped away at anything else. Or is just the drop from 15% to 10% pension for new entrants? I hope it's just rumours but wouldn't be surprised in this climate unfortunately.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 12:06
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I have a few mates from within , and they say they have never felt more secure . Is Delta at the helm really an issue ? Pretty sure they are the largest and most profitable airline in the world?
Supposedly there is word of an expansion to be announced also .
im also very keen to join as I have mentioned before in this forum , although the pension change now makes it worse than my current Pension ......
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 12:31
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What are the expansion rumours? Sounds interesting.. Do the known fleet orders/planned retirements match upto it?

I agree that Delta is most likely a force for good, and without it who knows where they could be.. That said, being the most profitable airline in the world, Iím sure they would like virgin to be profitable too? This is a time when all the big airlines are making making money with the same market conditions. Possibly a profitable to make a loss kind of situation of course.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 14:39
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Originally Posted by flightpattern View Post
What are the expansion rumours? Sounds interesting.. Do the known fleet orders/planned retirements match upto it?

I agree that Delta is most likely a force for good, and without it who knows where they could be.. That said, being the most profitable airline in the world, Iím sure they would like virgin to be profitable too? This is a time when all the big airlines are making making money with the same market conditions. Possibly a profitable to make a loss kind of situation of course.
supposedly they had a video from the chief pilot saying that on top of the new A350s (which has been moved forward) they are also going to get 15 other airframes (Boeing or Airbus)
No doubt Virgin wouldnít be the same as it is without Delta , if anything at all ....
could someone from Virgin clarify this ?
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 13:11
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I think the '4 engines 4 long haul' rhetoric is a little outdated now, so I'm guessing the 747's and A340's are going to be retired and theres what, 14 of them? It would be great if there was some expansion though..

Apparently a lot of retirements to come so potentially lot's of movement. I heard 1/3rd of the workforce to be replaced in the next 5 years or so? Seems like a drastic figure, perhaps the avg age at the top of the seniority is going to cause a bulk of retirements then..

I have also heard from a source in virgin that new joiners pensions are to be cut to 10% among other wider cuts which would be a real shame. Hopefully the union(s) don't allow it for the sake of the people joining after them.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 15:20
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Originally Posted by 4engines4longhaul View Post
Risky Bis

Year 1 F/O starts on £74000 and rises through 16 increments to £101000

Year 1 Capt starts on £121000 and rises through 14 increments to £163000

Plus extra working/overtime/day off payments etc for those that way inclined

Might be wrong but think current deal runs until Autumn 2019
Take home Pay , assuming UK tax

Y1 FO £4,244.96 a month
Y1 Capt £6,166.62 a month
Y16 FO £5,533.30 a month

So after 16 years you get a command and hey ho another 600/month. Just Saying !
Top Captain Pay, after around 25-30 years service = 8,100

Y1 China contract Capt take home £19500/ month . And rising .

UK Pay is pathetic. The airlines rely on the love of flying being paramount.

Branson's not filthy rich for being stupid . Willy Walsh has sussed it too. Offer the world. But not the pay.
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