Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
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Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
Well, 21 pages later, I think it's safe to say that there is no plan. Most wannabe's/newbies are still in love with MOL, and the more seasoned participants are still wondering whether to trade in their Eastern European base for a Middle Eastern base. 
Now in the mean time, everybody make a queue behind MichaelOLearyGenius to pay for your next Tupolev/Ilyushin SSTR, as the totally desperate Dear Pikey Leader is trying to play hardball with Boeing!
Ryanair mulls Russian and Chinese aircraft.
Now in the mean time, everybody make a queue behind MichaelOLearyGenius to pay for your next Tupolev/Ilyushin SSTR, as the totally desperate Dear Pikey Leader is trying to play hardball with Boeing!
Ryanair mulls Russian and Chinese aircraft.
Quite frankly, anyone who is planning a future in the Middle East right now should seriously be indulging in a serious bit of re-considering.
Been there, seen it, got the T-shirt.
Been there, seen it, got the T-shirt.
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So are you telling me that you are comparing Ryanair SSTR pilots to people who save lives for a living? Doctors help people where as SSTR's are only interested in helping themselves at the expense of everybody else.
How apt that Ryanair SSTR pilots are now whinging about their terms and conditions. The actions of SSTR's have placed aviation as a career in the gutter not just for pilots but all connected aviation roles be it cabin crew, operations or maintenance.
As the saying goes "United we Stand, Divided we fall" and this is exactly the situation that now exists.
SSTR's are the type of people that pass the decent hard working on a picket line to save their own skins. They think of no one else but themselves!
So are you telling me that you are comparing Ryanair SSTR pilots to people who save lives for a living? Doctors help people where as SSTR's are only interested in helping themselves at the expense of everybody else.
How apt that Ryanair SSTR pilots are now whinging about their terms and conditions. The actions of SSTR's have placed aviation as a career in the gutter not just for pilots but all connected aviation roles be it cabin crew, operations or maintenance.
As the saying goes "United we Stand, Divided we fall" and this is exactly the situation that now exists.
SSTR's are the type of people that pass the decent hard working on a picket line to save their own skins. They think of no one else but themselves!
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Read the Middle East forum, there's plenty there to keep you busy!!
I've got loads of friends out there and non of them feel that way. They have all had experience in the loco sector and non of them have regretted the move! One was a experienced captain too!
I would say have a look when you're out there, you will see the difference!
I've accepted a place on the 777 course and I may not love it but I find it hard to believe that I will be able to dislike a flying job as much as I dislike my current one!!
Read the Middle East forum, there's plenty there to keep you busy!!
I've got loads of friends out there and non of them feel that way. They have all had experience in the loco sector and non of them have regretted the move! One was a experienced captain too!
I would say have a look when you're out there, you will see the difference!
I've accepted a place on the 777 course and I may not love it but I find it hard to believe that I will be able to dislike a flying job as much as I dislike my current one!!
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I have read the middle east forum extensively. I am always interested to hear peoples opinions and experiences.
I am a current Loco captain and I must say if the base I work wasn't within 30 miles of my home I would have resigned years ago.
I am a current Loco captain and I must say if the base I work wasn't within 30 miles of my home I would have resigned years ago.
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I am the same as ASL, Just accepted the sand and leaving a LoCo soon, I have looked into it extensively and I have friends there, good and bad, but the general feeling seems better than where i am at the moment?
Guess i will not really know until i'm in the thick of it, i'm looking forward to it all!
With a new job comes new experiences & challenges, stops you getting stuck in rut, eh?
Guess i will not really know until i'm in the thick of it, i'm looking forward to it all!
With a new job comes new experiences & challenges, stops you getting stuck in rut, eh?
eagerbeaver1:
I was merely commenting upon the current political state of the Middle East where things seem to be going along the lines of cascading bus bars on a Britannia!
I was merely commenting upon the current political state of the Middle East where things seem to be going along the lines of cascading bus bars on a Britannia!
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Yes this was the deal the the CADETS got, full fATPL funded and then a reduced salary.
What I was talking about was the Type Rating bond. Nothing to pay and only lose money if you leave within 3 years.
Also, yes I know nothing of your circumstances but I refer in my posts to SSTR's and "most FR Pilots".
MOLG - "Also the old fashioned Ba bond saw you pay nothing and get normal salary. If you left within 3 years you had to pay what you owed."
Not so. There was a lower payscale for CADETS for the three years.
Not so. There was a lower payscale for CADETS for the three years.
What I was talking about was the Type Rating bond. Nothing to pay and only lose money if you leave within 3 years.
Also, yes I know nothing of your circumstances but I refer in my posts to SSTR's and "most FR Pilots".
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The industry isn't in demise. More passengers, more aircraft, more routes, etc, etc. There is no way tha the airframers, suppliers, engineers, technologists, general avaition staff and previously untouched regions would agree the industry is in demise. The only group who have been significantly and negatively affected are the air crew and mainly the pilots. They were at the top of the heap and with the inevitible efficiencies and improvements in safety the only way is down.
How people desperate to be pilots can complain at an industry whose growth is meteoric, has opened up its recruitmet to all comers is not really rational. The business model for offering all these jobs requires the elimination of costs. Anyway, how many of us could have afforded or had the opportunity prior to JAA?
SSTR is an undesirable consequence. The only way to avoid it is to be good enough to be chosen for a cadetship when the times are good. Not too dissimilar to the old days I'll wager.
How people desperate to be pilots can complain at an industry whose growth is meteoric, has opened up its recruitmet to all comers is not really rational. The business model for offering all these jobs requires the elimination of costs. Anyway, how many of us could have afforded or had the opportunity prior to JAA?
SSTR is an undesirable consequence. The only way to avoid it is to be good enough to be chosen for a cadetship when the times are good. Not too dissimilar to the old days I'll wager.
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From RTE news on the aer Lingus dispute
-"Cabin crew will be restored to normal duties and payroll pending the outcome of a binding LRC arbitration.
IMPACT will suspend industrial action pending that outcome, which the union says is expected soon.
Aer Lingus says it made concessions on issues relating to the quality of life of staff, including the timing of meals, and time off."
Take that Mick!!! To spite supplying aircraft to Aer Lingus "at below market rates" it looks like your new best friends in Aer Lingus management have caved in.
Just goes to show what a union when properly run and organised can achieve. Any airline including FR cannot afford to have billions in assets sitting on the ground not earning money. FR pilots take note, the cabiin crew in Aer Lingus have taken on their management and Mick and still won!!
We would have to strike and Mick will fight. But how long can he survive with his aircraft on the ground? 1 month, 2 months? and over the summer???
So we would not be paid for a few months. Not a major issue for BRK, hours will be made up anyway, as for FR contract guys, just consider it " compulsory unpaid leave". Remember that little gem from last Year?
I read in one of the posts that we will not strike or join a union because noone will make a stand and stick their head up. We dont need to stick our heads up, we have the internet!! Anyone know how to set up a web site that is not attached to a union and cannot be subject to legal attack by Mick?
Its up to us!!
-"Cabin crew will be restored to normal duties and payroll pending the outcome of a binding LRC arbitration.
IMPACT will suspend industrial action pending that outcome, which the union says is expected soon.
Aer Lingus says it made concessions on issues relating to the quality of life of staff, including the timing of meals, and time off."
Take that Mick!!! To spite supplying aircraft to Aer Lingus "at below market rates" it looks like your new best friends in Aer Lingus management have caved in.
Just goes to show what a union when properly run and organised can achieve. Any airline including FR cannot afford to have billions in assets sitting on the ground not earning money. FR pilots take note, the cabiin crew in Aer Lingus have taken on their management and Mick and still won!!
We would have to strike and Mick will fight. But how long can he survive with his aircraft on the ground? 1 month, 2 months? and over the summer???
So we would not be paid for a few months. Not a major issue for BRK, hours will be made up anyway, as for FR contract guys, just consider it " compulsory unpaid leave". Remember that little gem from last Year?
I read in one of the posts that we will not strike or join a union because noone will make a stand and stick their head up. We dont need to stick our heads up, we have the internet!! Anyone know how to set up a web site that is not attached to a union and cannot be subject to legal attack by Mick?
Its up to us!!
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Dear Beernice,
This website is already there for several years. REPA - Ryanair European Pilots' Association...
But we never achieve even one day of strike...
This website is already there for several years. REPA - Ryanair European Pilots' Association...
But we never achieve even one day of strike...
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What's all this moaning about the "bank of mum and dad"?
Before SSTRs etc the only way into most airlines (unless your country has a airforce worth speaking of) was if you had a relative already in there, has this changed? Not at all! When I finished training 10 of us were put forward for 4 interviews with our countries legacy carrier, 3 got called, the 4th interview disappeared and surprise of surprises the 3 called had relatives in the company.
Before anyone starts I paid my own way through training while working in my old profession!
So SSTRs are a disgrace and T&Cs are falling, at least the guys in these companies (not just RYR MOLG) are doing something, unlike the guys who were around when all this started...
Before SSTRs etc the only way into most airlines (unless your country has a airforce worth speaking of) was if you had a relative already in there, has this changed? Not at all! When I finished training 10 of us were put forward for 4 interviews with our countries legacy carrier, 3 got called, the 4th interview disappeared and surprise of surprises the 3 called had relatives in the company.
Before anyone starts I paid my own way through training while working in my old profession!
So SSTRs are a disgrace and T&Cs are falling, at least the guys in these companies (not just RYR MOLG) are doing something, unlike the guys who were around when all this started...
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With reference to the base changes it wont and doesnt matter wat you say.
I heard that they have a policy of not letting everyone go to there base of choice it is because in the event of a base closure only half the people will be discontent.what sort of twisted logic is that.this was apparently said at a base captains meeting.
For me there is no doubt Ryanair management have a policy of keeping there workforce subdued.
Vexed good to hear someone who agrees.
Is it too much to ask for job stability, pension since we are the main cost reducing part of the company,I dont think so if we dont act as a generation now your children will ask you what did you did about these conditions what will you tell them ?
I heard that they have a policy of not letting everyone go to there base of choice it is because in the event of a base closure only half the people will be discontent.what sort of twisted logic is that.this was apparently said at a base captains meeting.
For me there is no doubt Ryanair management have a policy of keeping there workforce subdued.
Vexed good to hear someone who agrees.
Is it too much to ask for job stability, pension since we are the main cost reducing part of the company,I dont think so if we dont act as a generation now your children will ask you what did you did about these conditions what will you tell them ?
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best of luck to everybody leaving ryanair,hope you now start to enjoy the career you choose.
for those left in ryanair,STOP DOING CDA'S etc,who cares about a letter for poor fuel burn.start hitting there pockets with extra fuel burn.stop saving even 100 kgs every flight.that will add up.
call in a "blue flu" for engineers.everybody does it for the same week,means big delays,hit back at there selling points,on-time etc.you dont have to strike,just think of ways to fight back while still playing by the book!
best of luck you guys.
Let the games begin!!
for those left in ryanair,STOP DOING CDA'S etc,who cares about a letter for poor fuel burn.start hitting there pockets with extra fuel burn.stop saving even 100 kgs every flight.that will add up.
call in a "blue flu" for engineers.everybody does it for the same week,means big delays,hit back at there selling points,on-time etc.you dont have to strike,just think of ways to fight back while still playing by the book!
best of luck you guys.
Let the games begin!!