Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
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Before I realised this I worked a day off last week, a 8:50 block time day so I was happy until they took the same off me the next week and im worse off for having lost a day off and gained nothing.
I will never again work a day off as it just does the company a favour and as someone said earlier, it plugs the holes created by resignations.
Management will only change things when they cannot crew aircraft and we are a long way away from that at the moment.
Everyone should refuse to work outside their roster!!
I will never again work a day off as it just does the company a favour and as someone said earlier, it plugs the holes created by resignations.
Management will only change things when they cannot crew aircraft and we are a long way away from that at the moment.
Everyone should refuse to work outside their roster!!
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I myself have done it a couple of times thinking its a few hundred extra €€€ in the back pocket, then roster friday arrives and low and behold my 4 days and a standbys turned into 3 days and 2 standbys! both times 
A mate of mine in a smaller base was was having the same experience with rostering asking him to work 6 days as they were always short F/O's in the summer and he also kept losing a day to a standby that was originally a flying day.
Why they do this is beyond me, maybe it is down to max hours or something, but if thats the case there really is no point in taking the day as you will just end up with the same hours/money but have a much worse lifestyle because of it
I will not be accepting any days off working for crewing at all now, still don't mind to do a swap for another pilot as this is helping out a college and changes nothing other than a favour which goes both ways if needed and not forgot unlike with rostering.
A mate of mine in a smaller base was was having the same experience with rostering asking him to work 6 days as they were always short F/O's in the summer and he also kept losing a day to a standby that was originally a flying day.
Why they do this is beyond me, maybe it is down to max hours or something, but if thats the case there really is no point in taking the day as you will just end up with the same hours/money but have a much worse lifestyle because of it
I will not be accepting any days off working for crewing at all now, still don't mind to do a swap for another pilot as this is helping out a college and changes nothing other than a favour which goes both ways if needed and not forgot unlike with rostering.
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Thinking about putting this in my signature:
Do not pick up your phone when you are called by a blocked or an Irish number while on OFF days. Crewcontrol rarely or never leaves messages on your voicemail. Chances are if someone else is calling you they will leave a message on your voicemail. You don't really have to worry about people not being able to reach you in this case.
In other news. FO who just recentely upgraded to captain returned to major European base bypassing several people on the "list".
Do not pick up your phone when you are called by a blocked or an Irish number while on OFF days. Crewcontrol rarely or never leaves messages on your voicemail. Chances are if someone else is calling you they will leave a message on your voicemail. You don't really have to worry about people not being able to reach you in this case.
In other news. FO who just recentely upgraded to captain returned to major European base bypassing several people on the "list".
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Chinese cadets? So they take all the flying hours, the High hour F/Os leave and the low hour guys do very little flying leaving a massive experience gap and this "200 captains short" becomes even worse.
Is it just me or does anyone else think management are trying to run the company into the ground?
Is it just me or does anyone else think management are trying to run the company into the ground?
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Chinese cadets?
well things are already rocky at the moment for sure,
if they do indeed source First Officers from China, things are really getting out of hand....a full type rating? the bean counters will luv that for sure, more money!!!!!
not wanting to have a go at our chinese counterparts, far from it, however there are important issues here in terms of CRM and advocacy!! after working in Asia for seven years, I can speak from personal experience. Bringing together both 1) the nature of our operation and 2) a first officer who would be reluctant to stand up for themselves , this would be of great concern for many people
when we start hearing of this company grounding aircraft or cancelling flights, with the summer schedule fast approaching,then for sure, we will know exactly how much crap is hitting the fan...
well things are already rocky at the moment for sure,
if they do indeed source First Officers from China, things are really getting out of hand....a full type rating? the bean counters will luv that for sure, more money!!!!!
not wanting to have a go at our chinese counterparts, far from it, however there are important issues here in terms of CRM and advocacy!! after working in Asia for seven years, I can speak from personal experience. Bringing together both 1) the nature of our operation and 2) a first officer who would be reluctant to stand up for themselves , this would be of great concern for many people
when we start hearing of this company grounding aircraft or cancelling flights, with the summer schedule fast approaching,then for sure, we will know exactly how much crap is hitting the fan...
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however do NOT be surprised if they decide to restrict this practise by attempting to implement some daft new rule....i would love to see them trying that and seeing the reaction...
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Been watching this now for 26 pages, but all I can say is that RYR would be very sillyto put in a 5/3 roster in bases that had 5/4 before. It will mean just more people will leave and it will hurt them so much that they will not know where to turn. For myself the 5/3 will be the final push that will send me off somewhere else. And that will be another left seat to fill by EMA. If you are BRK you are hit hard with 5/3, coz it just means you will be doing more standby's and not make a penny more. And away from home you will have average 1,5 day with your family a week. Great job huh!
I am also fed up with the leave system, why this whole month off? If you want it, great. But if you want to spread it in more weeks you cant. Why not? It is just easier for Rostering to do it like this, but it is just rubbish. I know guys who had 18 months between their months off. Safe?
Thats also why I wont accept 5/3 in the summer. You cant really apply for much leave in the summer and then ony 3 days off will make you not see much of the summer or for many pilots also their family.
The last ten years the RYR pilots didnt get much extra at all, inflation, etc. compensated for the few % extra the pilots got. Everything else just deteriorated as well.
I think a lot of people are waiting for the next bad move from RYR and they will leave. PB is welcome in our base. When he comes to bring the 5/3 news I can hand in my resignation straight away to him. Quite handy.
Plenty of jobs out there and how much worse can they be? Not.
Anyway, these were just my thoughts. Keep tunnelling guys!
I am also fed up with the leave system, why this whole month off? If you want it, great. But if you want to spread it in more weeks you cant. Why not? It is just easier for Rostering to do it like this, but it is just rubbish. I know guys who had 18 months between their months off. Safe?
Thats also why I wont accept 5/3 in the summer. You cant really apply for much leave in the summer and then ony 3 days off will make you not see much of the summer or for many pilots also their family.
The last ten years the RYR pilots didnt get much extra at all, inflation, etc. compensated for the few % extra the pilots got. Everything else just deteriorated as well.
I think a lot of people are waiting for the next bad move from RYR and they will leave. PB is welcome in our base. When he comes to bring the 5/3 news I can hand in my resignation straight away to him. Quite handy.
Plenty of jobs out there and how much worse can they be? Not.Anyway, these were just my thoughts. Keep tunnelling guys!
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Chinese cadets, best rumour ever.
Here's a rumour for you, 90% of people resigning are FOs which is going to have almost ZERO inpact in FR. Start getting 100 captains resigning then we will see. As Public Enemy once said "Don't beleive the hype"
Here's a rumour for you, 90% of people resigning are FOs which is going to have almost ZERO inpact in FR. Start getting 100 captains resigning then we will see. As Public Enemy once said "Don't beleive the hype"
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Dont believe the hype?!????????
first of all you can disregard this chinese cadet crap!
Look, ryr are becomeing one of the most insecure companies/airlines!
1.Oil is at a 30 month high!
2.10 pilots are leaving or commencing notice periods or simply leaving every week
3.there's been no pay rise in the past 10 years,
4. there is no future for ryr as long as MOL is at the helm because in the real airline world where staff are respected, his business model has lilttle foundation
5.this exodus would have happened years ago were it not for the downturn in the airline industry which gave ryr/MOL the upper hand with Boeing, pilots, cabin crew, engineers, airports, etc..NOT ANY MORE!
Where's the future for a company who's staff have zero loyalty and respect for a boss/management system which holds them is such distain and disregard across all bases from Dublin to Trapani and every other one in between?!!
Pay cuts, abolition of benefits - even forcin you to move base and take up to a 40% pay cut in the process!
A completely ludacris non-transparent basing system
pay cuts at will
a roster and annual leave system which is put into place simply because it cuts down in f**kin man-hours for the rostering dept!
Cabin crew on less then the minimum wage!!!
Fathers and mothers forced to work away from home leaving loved ones behind and no hope of ever getting back due to the blatant disregard of MOL and his crony henchmen!
The list is endless...those of us in RYR can see this pain that pilots have to endure....The rate of attrition is getting more exponential by the week!
In the Leeds base during the week a flight was delayed for a number of hours due to lack of flight crew - no stbys even!. A crew from another base had to fly there to avoid a total cancellation!
first of all you can disregard this chinese cadet crap!
Look, ryr are becomeing one of the most insecure companies/airlines!
1.Oil is at a 30 month high!
2.10 pilots are leaving or commencing notice periods or simply leaving every week
3.there's been no pay rise in the past 10 years,
4. there is no future for ryr as long as MOL is at the helm because in the real airline world where staff are respected, his business model has lilttle foundation
5.this exodus would have happened years ago were it not for the downturn in the airline industry which gave ryr/MOL the upper hand with Boeing, pilots, cabin crew, engineers, airports, etc..NOT ANY MORE!
Where's the future for a company who's staff have zero loyalty and respect for a boss/management system which holds them is such distain and disregard across all bases from Dublin to Trapani and every other one in between?!!
Pay cuts, abolition of benefits - even forcin you to move base and take up to a 40% pay cut in the process!
A completely ludacris non-transparent basing system
pay cuts at will
a roster and annual leave system which is put into place simply because it cuts down in f**kin man-hours for the rostering dept!
Cabin crew on less then the minimum wage!!!
Fathers and mothers forced to work away from home leaving loved ones behind and no hope of ever getting back due to the blatant disregard of MOL and his crony henchmen!
The list is endless...those of us in RYR can see this pain that pilots have to endure....The rate of attrition is getting more exponential by the week!
In the Leeds base during the week a flight was delayed for a number of hours due to lack of flight crew - no stbys even!. A crew from another base had to fly there to avoid a total cancellation!
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Because finding 200hr cadets to fill the RHS and take the crap MOL dishes out isn't a problem. There seems to be an endless queue. Experienced captains willing to join FR I would imagine are not so easy to find.
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Ok fair point. However, if the industry is picking up like the signs are starting to show, it will be interesting to see if these people will still be queing at FR's door and sign up for these very poor t's and c's. If there are more options on offer that are considerably better than FR's "deal" then they may find their supply a bit short. I certainly hope that does happen, it will teach them a lesson!
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ok,about time someone started a new thread for this topic,but no bull ****e,no bashing
just pure and simple idea's to get back at them or at very least get even.
seems like there are a lot of pissed off people over there,so about time you did something about it.
idea's already mentioned,
1)demand base roster
2)refuse to work days off
3)2nd mobile for duty time
4)better leave facility
5)brookfield pilots to pat there taxes where they wish,not just in Ireland (although any donations are greatly accepted these days!!).
just a thought!!
just pure and simple idea's to get back at them or at very least get even.
seems like there are a lot of pissed off people over there,so about time you did something about it.
idea's already mentioned,
1)demand base roster
2)refuse to work days off
3)2nd mobile for duty time
4)better leave facility
5)brookfield pilots to pat there taxes where they wish,not just in Ireland (although any donations are greatly accepted these days!!).
just a thought!!
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Chinese cadets? So they take all the flying hours, the High hour F/Os leave and the low hour guys do very little flying leaving a massive experience gap and this "200 captains short" becomes even worse.
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Never heard of the Chinese Cadet scheme. But I'll be sure to poll around on my next shift to see if anyone has any more information on this.
Horsepowerr: From what I understand the whole month off is there to avoid UK labour legislation. On paper you are a contractor hired by Brookfield. If they hire you for 12 months in the year you are technically a full-time employee and that would entail more costs for Brookfield. The reason I'm not entirely sure is because in recent BRK contracts I've read that the pilot is not allowed to work for another outfit during the course of the BRK contract. I don't see how that fits into the whole "self-employed" image.
I had a chance to take a look at the base roster recently. All commanders are maxing out but to my surprise, FO's are not far behind. More often than not I saw 5 flying days without standby. This is remarkable considering we're February.
Horsepowerr: From what I understand the whole month off is there to avoid UK labour legislation. On paper you are a contractor hired by Brookfield. If they hire you for 12 months in the year you are technically a full-time employee and that would entail more costs for Brookfield. The reason I'm not entirely sure is because in recent BRK contracts I've read that the pilot is not allowed to work for another outfit during the course of the BRK contract. I don't see how that fits into the whole "self-employed" image.
I had a chance to take a look at the base roster recently. All commanders are maxing out but to my surprise, FO's are not far behind. More often than not I saw 5 flying days without standby. This is remarkable considering we're February.