Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
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Leave for April denied....quelle surprise! Only took them 3 months to decide. All future 'leave' requests will be made via phone to crew control, followed up with a sickness leave form 
Until recently, CU bond was €5,000 if you left within 2 years of upgrading. No mention of not being able to request base transfer. Although no way back to UK for at least 18 months allegedly
Until recently, CU bond was €5,000 if you left within 2 years of upgrading. No mention of not being able to request base transfer. Although no way back to UK for at least 18 months allegedly
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It is your constitutional right under Irish law to be a member of a union,I cant believe some people are afraid to join a union let alone say the words REPA grow some balls fellow colleagues stop Ryanair driving employment rights into the stoneage with threats intimadation and paranoia.
Your names are secure in REPA they are protected under law this went all the way to the High court in Ireland,If you are a pilot in Ryanair and you dont know anything about this case you need to switch yourself on.
Our strength is in our numbers.REPA has over 1300 pilots in Ryanair who are members...The limits to what is possible has not been tested..
It is your constitutional right under Irish law to be a member of a union,I cant believe some people are afraid to join a union let alone say the words REPA grow some balls fellow colleagues stop Ryanair driving employment rights into the stoneage with threats intimadation and paranoia.
Your names are secure in REPA they are protected under law this went all the way to the High court in Ireland,If you are a pilot in Ryanair and you dont know anything about this case you need to switch yourself on.
Our strength is in our numbers.REPA has over 1300 pilots in Ryanair who are members...The limits to what is possible has not been tested..
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@widered: As i said I stand to be corrected on what the contract says, I will have a look for it tomorrow! 
Interested though in you figure of 1300 pilots from ryanair.
How many are actually full members willing to be active in the interest of the work force? 1300 is almost 1/3 of the pilots yet we are paying for uniform, food, coffee, hotels,medicals, flights and most recently COMPANY IDs!!!!
For this reason I struggle to believe 1/3 of the work force are in the same union otherwise a strike/"blue flu"/action would have occurred a long time ago!!
Interested though in you figure of 1300 pilots from ryanair.
How many are actually full members willing to be active in the interest of the work force? 1300 is almost 1/3 of the pilots yet we are paying for uniform, food, coffee, hotels,medicals, flights and most recently COMPANY IDs!!!!For this reason I struggle to believe 1/3 of the work force are in the same union otherwise a strike/"blue flu"/action would have occurred a long time ago!!
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REPA is not a union, its basically a website where only Ryanair pilots can discuss topics relating to employment with Ryanair & BRK
There may well be 1300 members, but that does not mean there will be a collective unionised strike or anything as its not recognised as anything more than a forum, but it is a great place for us all to get our heads together without all the PPRUNE slagging off that takes over every thread.
Join up, well worth a peek.
REPA is not a union, its basically a website where only Ryanair pilots can discuss topics relating to employment with Ryanair & BRK
There may well be 1300 members, but that does not mean there will be a collective unionised strike or anything as its not recognised as anything more than a forum, but it is a great place for us all to get our heads together without all the PPRUNE slagging off that takes over every thread.
Join up, well worth a peek.
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It's all very well for people from the outside pissing in when it comes to our little outfit constantly reminding us that we are a spineless bunch of wankers! The ID fiasco is the latest in a line of slaps in the face for the BRK line pilot. It is based on two things. Ryanair realise they are facing a crewing problem and require additional 'drop of the hat' flexibility on their crew and secondly, nice little cutback from St James as 1000+ Brookfielders fork out for a bit of plastic with their name on it.
Everyone knows this is wrong, unbelievably wrong. No one from outside need remind us. The timing is priceless - 300 odd pilots are rumoured to have resigned in the last 6 months. That's over 10% of the workforce. It may be more?? However it appears to be doing **** all for us, and to be honest I never believed it would. To those from outside who point the finger, listen to this because this is de facto. We work in a company that is so diverse and so fragmented that the typical line pilot in sunshine base A lives a completely
separate life to that of another line pilot in base B 500nm to the north. We have over 30 nationalities with probably double the amount of cultural identities who all have very different outlooks to the world and the way Ryanair treat them. We have bases on 5/3 and bases on 5/4. People on a plethora of different pay grades and contracts. People on part time, people on full time, people working all the time and people on constant standby!
People who have had a rough time and people who are having the best of times. There are close to 45 odd bases with over 2500 pilots, probably just under half of those are BRK. It is said, however Im uncertain of how true this is, that over half the pilots are currently in a base where they don't want to be.
Get my drift? You try getting everyone to stand up for the collective good. It would be ******* fantastic if we could, however it can't happen. Diversity has killed it. This ID mess is something that invariably will end in acceptance on behalf of the pilots, because they can do damn all else. I'm not saying that is right, by far - no way! However for those refusing, the memos only get harsher and the threats of consequence greater. I know people on BRK contracts who have tried to fight on principle. They lost their jobs! I'm not ****ting you!
As I say, it's all fine and dandy for those well principled folks from the outside pissing in. People who have had enough simply leave because what else is there? I wish every one of my previous colleagues well.
Everyone knows this is wrong, unbelievably wrong. No one from outside need remind us. The timing is priceless - 300 odd pilots are rumoured to have resigned in the last 6 months. That's over 10% of the workforce. It may be more?? However it appears to be doing **** all for us, and to be honest I never believed it would. To those from outside who point the finger, listen to this because this is de facto. We work in a company that is so diverse and so fragmented that the typical line pilot in sunshine base A lives a completely
separate life to that of another line pilot in base B 500nm to the north. We have over 30 nationalities with probably double the amount of cultural identities who all have very different outlooks to the world and the way Ryanair treat them. We have bases on 5/3 and bases on 5/4. People on a plethora of different pay grades and contracts. People on part time, people on full time, people working all the time and people on constant standby!
People who have had a rough time and people who are having the best of times. There are close to 45 odd bases with over 2500 pilots, probably just under half of those are BRK. It is said, however Im uncertain of how true this is, that over half the pilots are currently in a base where they don't want to be. Get my drift? You try getting everyone to stand up for the collective good. It would be ******* fantastic if we could, however it can't happen. Diversity has killed it. This ID mess is something that invariably will end in acceptance on behalf of the pilots, because they can do damn all else. I'm not saying that is right, by far - no way! However for those refusing, the memos only get harsher and the threats of consequence greater. I know people on BRK contracts who have tried to fight on principle. They lost their jobs! I'm not ****ting you!
As I say, it's all fine and dandy for those well principled folks from the outside pissing in. People who have had enough simply leave because what else is there? I wish every one of my previous colleagues well.
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CK, your time will come mate.
Do what you can, but plan your exit and leave as fast as is humanly possible.
However, the lack of fight by RYR crews is exactly what the management team is relying on. You might think it's a hopeless fight, but I can assure you that it isn't.
The problem at the moment is that you are all fighting individually. If you were a proper union, then things might change. I know that the RYR management team are a smart bunch, but in comparison the crews are getting humped and it's a case of how much you think that's a problem.
I earn a very nice salary working for an excellent company that treats me extremely well, so it's easy for me to say "sort your lives out", but I've been at the other end, fighting for union recognition and working for a company that makes RYR look like the most enlightened organisation ever known to man.
If you don't fight, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution and that, I'm afraid, is how it is.
I've been there, done it and made the vow never to work for w***ers again. So far it's paying off. I wish you all luck in the future as I can promise you that it's a whole load better once you work for a company that treats you with respect.
Do what you can, but plan your exit and leave as fast as is humanly possible.
However, the lack of fight by RYR crews is exactly what the management team is relying on. You might think it's a hopeless fight, but I can assure you that it isn't.
The problem at the moment is that you are all fighting individually. If you were a proper union, then things might change. I know that the RYR management team are a smart bunch, but in comparison the crews are getting humped and it's a case of how much you think that's a problem.
I earn a very nice salary working for an excellent company that treats me extremely well, so it's easy for me to say "sort your lives out", but I've been at the other end, fighting for union recognition and working for a company that makes RYR look like the most enlightened organisation ever known to man.
If you don't fight, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution and that, I'm afraid, is how it is.
I've been there, done it and made the vow never to work for w***ers again. So far it's paying off. I wish you all luck in the future as I can promise you that it's a whole load better once you work for a company that treats you with respect.
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REPA is not a union, its basically a website where only Ryanair pilots can discuss topics relating to employment with Ryanair & BRK
There may well be 1300 members, but that does not mean there will be a collective unionised strike or anything as its not recognised as anything more than a forum, but it is a great place for us all to get our heads together without all the PPRUNE slagging off that takes over every thread.
Join up, well worth a peek.
REPA is not a union, its basically a website where only Ryanair pilots can discuss topics relating to employment with Ryanair & BRK
There may well be 1300 members, but that does not mean there will be a collective unionised strike or anything as its not recognised as anything more than a forum, but it is a great place for us all to get our heads together without all the PPRUNE slagging off that takes over every thread.
Join up, well worth a peek.
@ Mikehotel... I agree with you there is bigger issues, but personally it is the in your face disrespect that comes with these “small issues” that wears down the BRK guy.
"Expenses incurred in relation to my job are deducted from my tax bill"
No disrespect but I don’t agree with this argument I hear regularly. It still costs you, you only get it deducted from gross pay, the tax thing is not a refund,
you’re lucky to see 25-30% of the expense back.Regarding the IDs; obviously they need more flexibility this summer; however I think management have a second motive.
They may want to send out a message “Look guys, were doing so well even with these pilot loses that we can still rob you,
so don’t expect much change in terms and conditions.”
Knock us down, and then offer us something because they are so “generous”. 
How many pilots this week will say bored in flight " God I though mangement would be worried but got email other day asking for money for ID...bla bla... they must not be having any issues"
Great post Captain Kilo
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Had an interesting conversation with a two-bar FO in the crew room yesterday.
me: So I figure you got that mail about the new company ID too?
him: Yes, It seems like a bunch of work!
me: Yeah, that's exactly why I'm not getting one.
him: But it says you can be required to work from any base so you need one?
me: Yeah, in that case I'm going to be sick of the odd week they move me out of base to Spain.
him: But... so what will you do when you need to go to spain?
me: Like I said, I'll be sick.
him: But you need an ID!
me: No, I don't need an ID from a company I don't work for and would have to pay for myself. So I'm not getting one. F*c that.
He then looked at me with a mixture of incredulity and puzzlement on his face. Apparently to him it seemed unfathomable I would refuse to do what Brookfield told me.
Meanwhile my applications are in the mail. Can't wait for an answer/invitation to interview.
me: So I figure you got that mail about the new company ID too?
him: Yes, It seems like a bunch of work!
me: Yeah, that's exactly why I'm not getting one.
him: But it says you can be required to work from any base so you need one?
me: Yeah, in that case I'm going to be sick of the odd week they move me out of base to Spain.
him: But... so what will you do when you need to go to spain?
me: Like I said, I'll be sick.
him: But you need an ID!
me: No, I don't need an ID from a company I don't work for and would have to pay for myself. So I'm not getting one. F*c that.
He then looked at me with a mixture of incredulity and puzzlement on his face. Apparently to him it seemed unfathomable I would refuse to do what Brookfield told me.
Meanwhile my applications are in the mail. Can't wait for an answer/invitation to interview.
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I already have one unfortunately, and its not worth the wafer thin plastic its printed on, already had issues 3 times getting through security with it and had to pull out my airport airside ID instead.
its a waste of £50 and 3-4 hours of my time getting the references, but I am Spanish based so was originally led to believe we needed it or Aena would deny us access, well guess what, they still do anyway.
I would love to have been in the same place now in a UK base or somewhere else and told BRK to go F themselves on it.
Applications are out there also though.
its a waste of £50 and 3-4 hours of my time getting the references, but I am Spanish based so was originally led to believe we needed it or Aena would deny us access, well guess what, they still do anyway.
I would love to have been in the same place now in a UK base or somewhere else and told BRK to go F themselves on it.
Applications are out there also though.
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Thanks for your input, but politely go **** yourself. You know little to nothing about this company. A select few chose the destiny that is Ryanair. Not the majority that find themselves here today. If you feel up for the fight then join the ranks. If not, save the bandwidth and keep your spineless 'behind the keyboard' thoughts to yourself. You add nothing to what is happening here. Idiot.
Thanks for your input, but politely go **** yourself. You know little to nothing about this company. A select few chose the destiny that is Ryanair. Not the majority that find themselves here today. If you feel up for the fight then join the ranks. If not, save the bandwidth and keep your spineless 'behind the keyboard' thoughts to yourself. You add nothing to what is happening here. Idiot.
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I used to get fed up with the FR bashers on here all the time, I seem to recall some buffoon called smith or smithy or something who used to go straight for the jugular as far as FR was concerned. I also seem to recall Call Sign Kilo singing the praises of FR in his defence of SSTR's against smithy, what's the matter now CSK? Why the change of heart? Maybe that idiot Mr Smith wasn't so wrong after all in all his rantings
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MOLG, this thread is for people who are trying to help make Ryanair a better place to work or provide useful info so we can mince away to an airline that gives you a 5 course meal, respect, a cuddle at the end of the day and possibly a handjob after a stressful sim. Unfortunate individuals like Smitho and BlackRed who gain satisfaction from spending their free time sneering at people on an internet message board aren't contributing anything useful to this particular discussion/the world and will be looked at with pitty by those of us with an IQ above 27. If you have nothing to contribute other than flagrant attempts to get a rise from people perhaps you and your aforementioned and erstwhile comrades mentioned above, would like to invest your time in a more productive hobby, perhaps take up baking or somesuch.... or maybe even call your mother and ask her just why it was she didn't hug you enough as a child.... because it's quite apparent she didn't.
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You just don't get it do you, you bent over before, so why even try and make the place a better place to work. A lot (not all) of you were prepared to take sh1t to leapfrog your way in the door, thus setting set your stall out from the start.
You just don't get it do you, you bent over before, so why even try and make the place a better place to work. A lot (not all) of you were prepared to take sh1t to leapfrog your way in the door, thus setting set your stall out from the start.