Do BA pilots really deserve our support re Openskys?
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July, lol, there will be no strike.
THERE WILL BE NO STRIKE.
there will be no strike because when it comes to it, BA pilots don't have the balls!
As for the dole queue - well, it ain't me threatening IA. Better to speak softly and carry a big stick.
THERE WILL BE NO STRIKE.
there will be no strike because when it comes to it, BA pilots don't have the balls!
As for the dole queue - well, it ain't me threatening IA. Better to speak softly and carry a big stick.
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there will be no strike because when it comes to it, BA pilots don't have the balls!
If your mum lets you out for that long...
(only a few posts until someone accuses me of being Hand Solo or Tandem!)
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Open Skies Predictions
Prediction # 1
By Christmas 2008, Open Skies will be a successful transatlantic pax carrier from at least two, and probably three, European airports to major US destinations.
Prediction # 2
There will have been no strike by British Airways pilots.
Prediction # 3
BALPA. [and hence most BA contributors to this forum] will applaud their victory at achieving whatever face saving concessions Willie has decided to give them.
Question:
How long before Open Skies is subbing BA cancellations, and then going onwards to actually operate UK LH routes?
I hope it will be possible to buy OS shares at some stage.
By Christmas 2008, Open Skies will be a successful transatlantic pax carrier from at least two, and probably three, European airports to major US destinations.
Prediction # 2
There will have been no strike by British Airways pilots.
Prediction # 3
BALPA. [and hence most BA contributors to this forum] will applaud their victory at achieving whatever face saving concessions Willie has decided to give them.
Question:
How long before Open Skies is subbing BA cancellations, and then going onwards to actually operate UK LH routes?
I hope it will be possible to buy OS shares at some stage.
Mistrust in Management
Kurtz
Your error with prediction 2 also makes prediction 3 false.
A Pilots strike following the T5 debacle will mean Willie and his leadership team will take a walk into the wilderness. BALPA and the majority of BA Pilots know this.
Rocky times ahead for shareholders no doubt, but massive changes at the top should see things right in the long term. BA has been a very sucessful airline at times during the past and with the right actions it can again be.
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Exeng
A Pilots strike following the T5 debacle will mean Willie and his leadership team will take a walk into the wilderness. BALPA and the majority of BA Pilots know this.
Rocky times ahead for shareholders no doubt, but massive changes at the top should see things right in the long term. BA has been a very sucessful airline at times during the past and with the right actions it can again be.
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Exeng
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Well I suppose everything's a gamble - but look how often Rod and Bob were written off on this forum. Granted events overtook Bob eventually, but his tails lived on for a long time.
OS is too profitable a concept not to go ahead. And I'll be right there!
OS is too profitable a concept not to go ahead. And I'll be right there!
Mistrust in Management
Hulk
I agree that Open Skies will go ahead and that it should prove to be profitable; however I also believe that the crewing concept will be slightly different from that currently proposed by the current BA leadership team.
Incidentally I believe Eddington always steered BA with a steady hand, Ayling however was a different matter - he was removed so he could cause no further damage, much as Walsh I suspect will be in due course. I think that this time the it will not only be Walsh who will take some pain.
I would imagine that the only reason the tailfins remained for so long was because of the expense of a dedicated re-paint for each aircraft - each will have been done when sufficient down time for maintenance occurred.
I wish you all the best in your future career with Open Skies, I'm sure it will be an exciting time for all of you.
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Exeng
Incidentally I believe Eddington always steered BA with a steady hand, Ayling however was a different matter - he was removed so he could cause no further damage, much as Walsh I suspect will be in due course. I think that this time the it will not only be Walsh who will take some pain.
I would imagine that the only reason the tailfins remained for so long was because of the expense of a dedicated re-paint for each aircraft - each will have been done when sufficient down time for maintenance occurred.
I wish you all the best in your future career with Open Skies, I'm sure it will be an exciting time for all of you.
Regards
Exeng
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Interesting to speculate how much WW will get as a bung if he and others actually are removed (and I agree with exeng it's more likely than not).
If only a single FTSE 100 Company could bring itself to dispose of top mangement the way they dispose of everyone else who screws up, then I'm sure it would be of benefit to the whole business community.
Nice post exeng, very courteous too. Have a good day!
If only a single FTSE 100 Company could bring itself to dispose of top mangement the way they dispose of everyone else who screws up, then I'm sure it would be of benefit to the whole business community.
Nice post exeng, very courteous too. Have a good day!
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Those predictions may be right or wrong, but I don't think I'd be handing in my notice to take a position with OS just yet.
It's not the IFALPA stance that would worry me (didn't achieve much for the HK boyos did they?) far less the BACC; it's just that until things look settled, well, they're not settled are they? Jam tomorrow is all well and good, but you need to eat today as well.
God bless all on board!
It's not the IFALPA stance that would worry me (didn't achieve much for the HK boyos did they?) far less the BACC; it's just that until things look settled, well, they're not settled are they? Jam tomorrow is all well and good, but you need to eat today as well.
God bless all on board!
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BALPA and the majority of BA Pilots know this.
T5 will calm down and work reasonably well in a few weeks.
If WW can show that the pilots (BALPA) are being unreasonable with their demands, shareholders will give the affirmative nod to management.
Will it turn ugly?
Nope, don't think so.
The BA pilots don't have the starch in 'em.
About the only thing that the BA pilots can hope to achieve is some kind of assurance that OS will not disrupt BA schedules, so that they (the BA pilots) can claim success.
Kurtz has it right, unless of course BA pilots have been sniffing the wrong stuff for too long...
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Blast from the Past!
In the days when we could run ballots on here, I thought everyone may be interested in the results of one relating to the BACC, and what everyone thought at that time.
View Poll Results:
Do BACC have the best interests of CitiExpress at heart with their Scope Clause ??
Yes 32 15.92%
No 73 36.32%
Nope, only their own wallets!!! 96 47.76%
Tous c'a change, c'est toute la meme chose!
View Poll Results:
Do BACC have the best interests of CitiExpress at heart with their Scope Clause ??
Yes 32 15.92%
No 73 36.32%
Nope, only their own wallets!!! 96 47.76%
Tous c'a change, c'est toute la meme chose!
Why is it that almost every thread about BA mainline quickly descends into this slagging match??? (Maybe they deserve it! )
What really p!sses me off, is that all the mainline guys I personally know are REALLY nice, down-to-earth lads, and unfortunately you get the same arrogant jumped-up t0ssers posting here who end up tarring the entire company with the same brush. (And I do honestly believe that they are a minority with a HHHUUUGGGEEE chip on their shoulders.)
The problem is that, they are the reason that most will feel no sympathy with the normal day-to-day guys/gals who suffer at the hands of Willie Walsh.
I personally cannot help but gloat at the shambles WW has created for himself, both with T5 and OS, and cherish the thought of him squirming after his abysmal treatment of BACX staff (and BAR, who he royally sh@fted and put on the dole queue). Unfortunately, unlike the grassroots staff at those companies, he will not be financially inconvenienced, as his personal pension has been very well topped up! Funny how Rod Eddington no longer looks like such a scheister!
)What really p!sses me off, is that all the mainline guys I personally know are REALLY nice, down-to-earth lads, and unfortunately you get the same arrogant jumped-up t0ssers posting here who end up tarring the entire company with the same brush. (And I do honestly believe that they are a minority with a HHHUUUGGGEEE chip on their shoulders.)
The problem is that, they are the reason that most will feel no sympathy with the normal day-to-day guys/gals who suffer at the hands of Willie Walsh.
I personally cannot help but gloat at the shambles WW has created for himself, both with T5 and OS, and cherish the thought of him squirming after his abysmal treatment of BACX staff (and BAR, who he royally sh@fted and put on the dole queue). Unfortunately, unlike the grassroots staff at those companies, he will not be financially inconvenienced, as his personal pension has been very well topped up! Funny how Rod Eddington no longer looks like such a scheister!
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411A - Sad fact is, most pilots know very little about the operation of an airline and the management actions that are accepted by shareholders.
T5 will calm down and work reasonably well in a few weeks.
If WW can show that the pilots (BALPA) are being unreasonable with their demands, shareholders will give the affirmative nod to management.
T5 will calm down and work reasonably well in a few weeks.
If WW can show that the pilots (BALPA) are being unreasonable with their demands, shareholders will give the affirmative nod to management.
The shareholders can affirmatively nod to BA management until their collective heads fall off - the fact remains that a sufficiently unified labour force prepared to strike over the issue will render its implementation untenable.
The shareholders are irrelevant and don't enter into the equation, they're simply along for the ride with the controlling factor being the willingness (or unwillingness) of the pilots to strike.
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Thoughtful view from R&N
BA is a dead firm walking. It is a relic of a day gone by and is not fit for the modern world of CAT.
Its cost base is too high, its aircraft are poor and its staff demotivated and the likes of Hand Solo and Tandem Rotor areintent on ensuring the company has no future.
Best thing would be for it to be shut down, sell off all the slots at Heathrow and give good value to the custmers.
I used to always make the effort to support BA come hell or high water especially as a passenger but not now.
ABBA - Anything But BA
Hand, Tandem, care to comment?
Its cost base is too high, its aircraft are poor and its staff demotivated and the likes of Hand Solo and Tandem Rotor areintent on ensuring the company has no future.
Best thing would be for it to be shut down, sell off all the slots at Heathrow and give good value to the custmers.
I used to always make the effort to support BA come hell or high water especially as a passenger but not now.
ABBA - Anything But BA
Hand, Tandem, care to comment?
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Interesting thread relating to Openskies here:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=319542&page=2
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=319542&page=2
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Yes:
I find it interesting that you ascribe motives to me despite knowing neither myself nor my motives. The rest of your quotation is just plain bolleaux written by chrisbl who clearly doesn't find it necessary to justify such nonsense with any hard facts.
the likes of Hand Solo and Tandem Rotor are intent on ensuring the company has no future.
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Sorry, were you trying to reel me in by writing rubbish Fox? If you wish to look a tit then you certainly have hit the bull.
PS I found this in one of your previous posts:
How's that CitiExpress Gatwick base coming along?
PS I found this in one of your previous posts:
And you haven't mentioned the CitiExpress Gatwick base yet.
I'd check your six o clock if I were you -
'the Times they are a Changin'..........'
I'd check your six o clock if I were you -
'the Times they are a Changin'..........'