Ryanair B737 Rated Pilot Recruitment Day
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It seems I stirred up a bit of a debate here. I do actually have quite a few friends in FR who seem quite satisfied (Capts and FOs, not all Cadets I hasten to add!). Yeah, I know there are some dissatisfied guys but the majority I have spoken to seem fairly positive. They like the roster and they seem fairly well paid. The future looks bleak where I am at the moment and FR are hiring so I will keep an open mind and go along and ask a few questions for myself. Looks like the advert has gone up on the website now.
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OK, for the last time guys, I joined 61/2 years ago and have posted 22 times (I think) Just look at my profile and you'll be able to read them, not my fault I haven't posted for a while, but why would it matter if I was new?
To those of you who are not quite so narrow minded and can spot an honest post, thanks.
All I'm mainly saying is just not to believe all the Pprune moaners, make up you own minds.
To those of you who are not quite so narrow minded and can spot an honest post, thanks.
All I'm mainly saying is just not to believe all the Pprune moaners, make up you own minds.
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the vast majority who are satisfied at RYR
A long running REPA poll is currently showing the following:
Best job in world: 1%
Happy staying: 13%
Thinking about it: 39%
Actively looking for another job:: 22%
Waiting for interview: 10%
Have put my notice in: 14%
Your vast majority amounts to approximately 14%, to call that a "majority" you must utilise the same sort of maths that calls a pay adjustment less than inflation a "pay rise."
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The numbers who have voted would suggest otherwise. Anyway, the numbers resigning are very real, as is the shortage of captains and the 50% command check failure rate of minimum time command candidates.
The numbers willing to come from flying schools has fallen rapidly and the latest campaign to poach pilots from Air Berlin has failed miserably.
If it's such a happy ship, why are 7 aircraft grounded in STN, plus at least 2 in DUB due to nobody to fly them?
It's well known in the training dept that if even a few wannabes refused to pay up for a TR, they'd get them free, such is the shortage of crew.
The Emperor has no clothes, though not all wannabes see this yet.
The numbers willing to come from flying schools has fallen rapidly and the latest campaign to poach pilots from Air Berlin has failed miserably.
If it's such a happy ship, why are 7 aircraft grounded in STN, plus at least 2 in DUB due to nobody to fly them?
It's well known in the training dept that if even a few wannabes refused to pay up for a TR, they'd get them free, such is the shortage of crew.
The Emperor has no clothes, though not all wannabes see this yet.
7 Grounded?
7 aircraft grounded at STN? Funny how when I was on the line yesterday there wasnt one spare aircraft around. Unless RYR has developed some sort of system where by they fly themselves these days.
I read all these posts and often wonder why there is such vitriol towards the company. Yes I agree they are very bloody minded about the way they go about their business and it could and should be improved a hell of a lot. But it constantly amazes me that if all these people hate it so much why oh why do they stick around? Unless of course you like inflicting pain on yourself?
Most of the other airlines are hiring at the moment and if the grass is indeed greener on the other side Im sure that the likes of the people complaining on here could find another job fairly easily.
For the record I don't mind the company. If you stay out of politics and enjoy it a little bit you can have fun. I agree wholeheartedly that when you have to deal with management they can be a right pain in the ass but thankfully I dont deal with them that often.
Quoting posts from websites such as REPA is a bit misguided dont you think? Its like asking a politician if he thinks the work he does is valuable and that he should get a pay increase.
Ill say it again if you dont like it leave, you'll do your health and the health of all those around you the world of good!
I read all these posts and often wonder why there is such vitriol towards the company. Yes I agree they are very bloody minded about the way they go about their business and it could and should be improved a hell of a lot. But it constantly amazes me that if all these people hate it so much why oh why do they stick around? Unless of course you like inflicting pain on yourself?
Most of the other airlines are hiring at the moment and if the grass is indeed greener on the other side Im sure that the likes of the people complaining on here could find another job fairly easily.
For the record I don't mind the company. If you stay out of politics and enjoy it a little bit you can have fun. I agree wholeheartedly that when you have to deal with management they can be a right pain in the ass but thankfully I dont deal with them that often.
Quoting posts from websites such as REPA is a bit misguided dont you think? Its like asking a politician if he thinks the work he does is valuable and that he should get a pay increase.
Ill say it again if you dont like it leave, you'll do your health and the health of all those around you the world of good!
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There will be 7 grounded in STN for the winter, so says pikie mick.
I'm all right Jack so. Why not get involved in the politics and improve it for all, as we're all getting screwed whether you can see it or not. Less "I'm all right Jack" types and more engaging would work wonders.
Indeed this is an excellent development for those that value this career.
If you stay out of politics and enjoy it a little bit you can have fun.
There will be a lot more leaving when the tax dodgers have to start coughing up like the rest of us .
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Current hot topic is that Ryanair will be reducing new captains basic salary to £40,000ish from £53,000. SFO grades scrapped. My 5/4 roster uses 12 annual leave days from April 1 to 31 July each year. Upgrades at Ryan are very difficult and not just a quick 6 months in the left seat. There is no Fast track 'cos you are just another FO.
However it's not such a bad place to work. Good crews and aircraft. Just hope that i can afford the ongoing paycuts each year.
However it's not such a bad place to work. Good crews and aircraft. Just hope that i can afford the ongoing paycuts each year.
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My negative observations on RYR are the following;
If you hang around long enough you will be screwed over
The 40K command salary reflects the standard of some of the guys passing upgrade, but dont worry the failure rate is so high they have decided to remove the final check replacing it with a release flight!
Everybody is nervous, from the top to the bottom (except the CEO) and have or feel they have to watch their backs all the time and at all costs blame someone else
They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing, especially the value of good crew
Only one or two management types who put the operation before their own bonuses
A realisation that there is over capacity in Europe but a stubborn refusal to improve the passengers lot, ie blind to the ten pissed off pax per flight that will never fly FR again due to; abnoxious staff, stupid baggage requirements and a total lack of plan when a flight goes awol
A CEO that needs to leave now as he is the root cause of all the above!
If you hang around long enough you will be screwed over
The 40K command salary reflects the standard of some of the guys passing upgrade, but dont worry the failure rate is so high they have decided to remove the final check replacing it with a release flight!
Everybody is nervous, from the top to the bottom (except the CEO) and have or feel they have to watch their backs all the time and at all costs blame someone else
They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing, especially the value of good crew
Only one or two management types who put the operation before their own bonuses
A realisation that there is over capacity in Europe but a stubborn refusal to improve the passengers lot, ie blind to the ten pissed off pax per flight that will never fly FR again due to; abnoxious staff, stupid baggage requirements and a total lack of plan when a flight goes awol
A CEO that needs to leave now as he is the root cause of all the above!
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My God, I have just re read this thread and I cannot believe that that you lot are so obsessed with aviation that you would still consider joining ryanair.
The detractors of this company are dismissed as moaners. That is bull****! Please please do not allow yourself to be a victim of the FR spin machine. This company treats it staff in such an appalling way and despite all the warnings some of you are so keen to be **** on from a great height just to fly a 737.
I give up! Now wonder the industry is in such dire straights. Fr pay their captains less today than an Air Europe Captain earnt 18 years ago .
The detractors of this company are dismissed as moaners. That is bull****! Please please do not allow yourself to be a victim of the FR spin machine. This company treats it staff in such an appalling way and despite all the warnings some of you are so keen to be **** on from a great height just to fly a 737.
I give up! Now wonder the industry is in such dire straights. Fr pay their captains less today than an Air Europe Captain earnt 18 years ago .
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I.M.L.Airline:
Will you kindly elaborate on your statement that there is no longer a final 'command check'. Is this FACT or rumour? If so it is a disturbing dumbing down of standards. RYR have 2 factions operating; there is the commecial one driven by MOL, and then there is the training standards one driven by their training department. The former has declared he doesn't give a t@#s about pax; they are sources of revenue & profit; but the latter has declared their committment to the highest standards of piloting.
Please clarify.
Will you kindly elaborate on your statement that there is no longer a final 'command check'. Is this FACT or rumour? If so it is a disturbing dumbing down of standards. RYR have 2 factions operating; there is the commecial one driven by MOL, and then there is the training standards one driven by their training department. The former has declared he doesn't give a t@#s about pax; they are sources of revenue & profit; but the latter has declared their committment to the highest standards of piloting.
Please clarify.
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ALLOW i am in fr also,a damn sight longer than you are and i can guarantee you that one fine day you will realise what is actually happening to you.by then i hope there is else where that you can go to earn a living.in the meantime enjoy the crack.try not to dwell on your future outlook,it is not pretty and you will not like it.you may even moan some day.hope it is not when you lose your licence or retire and realise you have but dust in your pockets.
"sure there are lots of downsides",ever increasing unfortunately!!!enjoy living the dream,when you wake up you are in for a real shocker.
"sure there are lots of downsides",ever increasing unfortunately!!!enjoy living the dream,when you wake up you are in for a real shocker.
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Originally Posted by Mucky Devil
Current hot topic is that Ryanair will be reducing new captains basic salary to £40,000ish from £53,000. ... Just hope that i can afford the ongoing paycuts each year.
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RAT 5, There is a serious effort by some in the TD to achieve their personal bonuses. So, as in every dept, they try to reinvent the wheel every year to make it look like they have saved money. So we have recently reduced sim training and checking by 2 hours per annum (2 x 1800 pilots = lots of money), removed the final command check calling it a release flight, and making it almost impossible to fail a candidate by creating a grading system that links with a list of failure reasons (dont trust the checkers anymore). Its all a box ticking exercise that is designed to make it easier to find and promote the vast number of pilots they want. The threats of reducing the numbers in the TD by 10% per annum was made at recent training meetings. The FR TD always used to aim high above the min JAR requirements when it came to training, now the fools are reducing it back to the bare legal minimum. Why would you do that as the accountable manager, to get your bonus of course! You certainly wont get a bonus with a command pass rate of 50% will you? Clear as day. The LTCs were also told they were useless recently and warned against reading newspapers instead of training! Well they shouldnt force pilots to become trainers then should they? We are seriously disappointed in the dept as we can only see falling standards across the board.