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Old 24th May 2007, 19:38
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Sallymo,

Unfortunately i have to say a large portion of whats being said in this thread is true.

However as always with any thread on PPRuNe the majority of people posting have an axe to grind.

Things have to change thats for sure but have a look around at other company's. There are several others were pilots had to fight to improve their T's and C's. For example Easyjet. Why shouldn't that be the same with Monarch. If everybody sticks together we might be able to get something useful out of our current pay negotiations and improve our T's and C's.

And one thing to remember. If you are looking for the perfect company than you will be searching for the rest of your life. It's very easy to vote with your feet but it takes balls to stand up to the company and try to improve the T's and C's

FT
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Old 24th May 2007, 19:48
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Dear F T , I agree with you .
I always had an eye on Monarch however never applied.
What suprises me is that management did not learn anything from an "Easy" lesson.
I hope you'll get what you are fighting for

All the best

S
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Old 24th May 2007, 20:11
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Sallymo,

The management never learnt from an 'Easy' lesson because there was no need to.

Up to this year we had a weak company council that settled fairly easy with the company. However this year it all changed and it seems that we have a much more ambitious company council. So hopefully they will learn their 'Easy' lesson this year.

All the best,

FT

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Old 24th May 2007, 22:02
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Funny word MILITANT. I'm sure they are just fighting for the going rate and what is fair. No I would'nt use that word.
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Old 24th May 2007, 23:06
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IcePack,

You are totally right.

Couldn't come up with a better word when i was writing the post. However it has been changed to ambitious. How does that sound?

They are indeed fighting for the going rate and they got my full support.

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Old 25th May 2007, 15:59
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Whoops

"emotions will be running on overdrive during a strike" - I totally agree.

But how sad it has become that some union members (not all) feel it is their given right to stand on a picket line heckling and abusing non members, non members which they mostly likely have been down route with, shared a beer with, had a laugh and joke with, and are all matey on the flightdeck with.

"the actions of others are never forgotten." - It works both ways!!
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Old 26th May 2007, 02:41
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As an interested observer, I was wondering what the result of the union ballot for industrial action was?

How has the company responded to the threat of industrial action?

What type of industrial action has been talked about?

What duration do you expect the action to be taken over, and how effective do you expect it to be?

As some background information, I work for a southern hemisphere airline, and we appear to be approaching a similar situation with our management, so iwould be interrested in replies.

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Old 26th May 2007, 12:25
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Now that would be spoon feeding management with the answers to their prayers.

Gazumped if you contact BALPA UK headquarters then I'm sure when your credentials have been check they would be in a position to shed some light on the matter but until then the plans and actions remain in house.
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Old 26th May 2007, 17:52
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Monarch

EXPECTS MORE

PAYS LESS

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Old 26th May 2007, 20:23
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Has anyone seen the sticker on the back of Richard's car? I don't think he has, yet.
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Old 26th May 2007, 20:27
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gazumped,

Don't worry, Im sure the guys and girls at VB will learn from our experience
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Old 31st May 2007, 19:30
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Indicative ballot result:


1) Do you accept the Company’s pay offer?
Result: YES – 0.0%, ABSTAIN – 0.0%, NO – 100.0%

2) Would you take part in action including a strike?
Result: YES – 86.5%, ABSTAIN – 2.5%, NO – 11.0%

3) Would you take part in action falling short of strike?
Result: YES – 90.0%, ABSTAIN – 6.6%, NO – 3.4%

Response rate was 94.1% of papers returned
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Old 31st May 2007, 20:26
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Amazing that those people who didn't return their ballot paper are voting for a pay cut ?????
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Old 31st May 2007, 20:39
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Amazing that those people who didn't return their ballot paper are voting for a pay cut ?????
Yes, but how many didn't get their paper because they've moved and not given BALPA their latest address? 94% must be as good as it gets.
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Old 1st Jun 2007, 17:42
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congrats guys....all sounds positive!



I wish i worked for a workforce that stuck together like that!
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Old 1st Jun 2007, 19:18
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What I find strange is that although 100% voted no to the pay offer, 10% are effectively not willing to take any action... What exactly do they want to do?? Get the CC to ask nicely for a higher offer??
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Old 1st Jun 2007, 20:53
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The 10% represent the part of the workforce that I got slated for pointing out a wee while ago.
We all know who they are, "I'm alright Jack" or "you signed the contract sonny, so its your problem not mine"
Most of them, and i do mean most of them are 50+, been in the company 15 years or more, and are fundamentally opposed to doing anything other than looking after No 1.
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Old 2nd Jun 2007, 11:25
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The 10% represent the part of the workforce that I got slated for pointing out a wee while ago.
We all know who they are, "I'm alright Jack" or "you signed the contract sonny, so its your problem not mine"
Most of them, and i do mean most of them are 50+, been in the company 15 years or more, and are fundamentally opposed to doing anything other than looking after No 1.
...and you know that for a fact do you Monarch Man?
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Old 2nd Jun 2007, 12:26
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Of course not!

But I can make an educated guess, based on my experience of chatting to a few in various crewrooms
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Old 2nd Jun 2007, 13:37
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The unity demonstrated by the ballot is fantastic, let's not detract from that. The Industrial action question is a difficult one and very personal one but 86.5% of a rumored near 90% membership is more than we need.

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