Flybe to aquire BA Connect. Crew thread. (No Spotters)-(Part 2)
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No - its just more of the same crap! 90K* (NOTE *) is the package which includes pension contributions etc. Suprised its not 'from' or OTE including anticipated days off! but excluding taxes and charges and only 1 crew bag
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I know its boring but the 'jet' (barbie only has 49 seats) the big dash 78. I stopped flying light aircraft years ago! dont bite, i'm only taking the p1ss!!
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Neither is it a step down - its an aeroplane which will fly into europe on the usual routes. I fly the barbie - but only have a small willy!
Noiffs
I know its boring but the 'jet' (barbie only has 49 seats) the big dash 78. I stopped flying light aircraft years ago! dont bite, i'm only taking the p1ss!!
Brains
Neither is it a step down - its an aeroplane which will fly into europe on the usual routes. I fly the barbie - but only have a small willy!
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spaceman.
Sorry to hear about your knob.
I'm on the barbie too, but I'd feel like it was a step down if I had to go on it. I'm not snobby about it- it's just slower, lower and less glam than the lovely barbie.
Must be a sort of personal thing.
I'd better be nice to you seeing as we prolly know each other.
Sorry to hear about your knob.
I'm on the barbie too, but I'd feel like it was a step down if I had to go on it. I'm not snobby about it- it's just slower, lower and less glam than the lovely barbie.
Must be a sort of personal thing.
I'd better be nice to you seeing as we prolly know each other.
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I'm not snobby about it- it's just slower, lower and less glam than the lovely barbie.
No monitored approaches though!
Thanks for you sympathy - re knob!
I am sure you are nice to everybody - me too
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I wont in any event start the turbo prop/jet debate again....... its too boring.
Is there anybody out there in PPRuNe-land who has gone from a jet to the Q400, and enjoyed the experience? Put your hand up now!
PS is Capt Scrooge the silver-haired ex-Nimrod driver, or the ex-Lightning driver?
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And about now all the Q400 drivers will start regurgitating the sales brochure... but I doubt that many rashers will be fooled!
BTW it's hard to credit that anyone in flybe can seriously believe that pilots will be fooled by this salary nonsense. Talk about misleading...
BTW it's hard to credit that anyone in flybe can seriously believe that pilots will be fooled by this salary nonsense. Talk about misleading...
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This thread is disappointing really,
Why should Flybe pilots be saddled with ex failed BACON crews in their crewrooms who bitch constantly that they should seniority jump onto the 195? What makes you and the barbie so special? In general chat amongst the crewrooms, a lot of pilots would be more than happy to now see this deal fall through, the feeling being that at one time we were surprised but pleased to be working with new colleagues, but with constant drivel and insults posted here re crews and aircraft, who in their right minds would welcome you lot?? Believe me, not many of us.
Why should Flybe pilots be saddled with ex failed BACON crews in their crewrooms who bitch constantly that they should seniority jump onto the 195? What makes you and the barbie so special? In general chat amongst the crewrooms, a lot of pilots would be more than happy to now see this deal fall through, the feeling being that at one time we were surprised but pleased to be working with new colleagues, but with constant drivel and insults posted here re crews and aircraft, who in their right minds would welcome you lot?? Believe me, not many of us.
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Moment of realism here folks!
Calm down at the back.
The main reason a lot of Barbie folk are in a tizz and looking to jump ship is that many of the LHS guys and gals have done many years of service and spent plenty of time on ATP and J41 and fee lthat they've served their apprenticships and quite appreciate the performance of the 145. It climbs well, sits above the weather and does a good airliner impression for the crews. Enough to keep them there.
To find yourself mid 30s to 40s, kids and mortgage and having to take a big step back in your career and life is an unpleasant feeling. Q400 commands are ideal for up and coming F/Os who need command time to prove their worth when times are hard, and for ex long haul grandads who want to take it easy in their last years aloft.
Call it mid-life crisis possibly, but when you approach 40, the dreams you have as a kid are still in your mind, and to be forced onto a turboprop again is soul destroying for many. Hence the morale and queue at the door. It's not vitriole at FlyBE at all, most if not all wish them well.
The important thing is a lot of Rashers have aspirations and desire to move onwards and upwards.
Then you have us fraggles who just want to get home to our families at night no matter how much the humiliation heaped upon us.
We want the deal to go through, to a man we do. We'd also really love to see the hangar go to someone who'll safeguard as many jobs as possible too.
Must be the fumes getting to me
Calm down at the back.
The main reason a lot of Barbie folk are in a tizz and looking to jump ship is that many of the LHS guys and gals have done many years of service and spent plenty of time on ATP and J41 and fee lthat they've served their apprenticships and quite appreciate the performance of the 145. It climbs well, sits above the weather and does a good airliner impression for the crews. Enough to keep them there.
To find yourself mid 30s to 40s, kids and mortgage and having to take a big step back in your career and life is an unpleasant feeling. Q400 commands are ideal for up and coming F/Os who need command time to prove their worth when times are hard, and for ex long haul grandads who want to take it easy in their last years aloft.
Call it mid-life crisis possibly, but when you approach 40, the dreams you have as a kid are still in your mind, and to be forced onto a turboprop again is soul destroying for many. Hence the morale and queue at the door. It's not vitriole at FlyBE at all, most if not all wish them well.
The important thing is a lot of Rashers have aspirations and desire to move onwards and upwards.
Then you have us fraggles who just want to get home to our families at night no matter how much the humiliation heaped upon us.
We want the deal to go through, to a man we do. We'd also really love to see the hangar go to someone who'll safeguard as many jobs as possible too.
Must be the fumes getting to me
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Anotherflapoperator - thanks for calming the situation down a little with a sensible post. 
The points you make are honest and with merit, all I can say is that in my view the 400 is a very good aircraft and I loved almost every minute flying it. The exceptions were, as previously mentioned, when surrounded by Cbs at your max altitude of FL250. Of course the aircraft is capable of flying much higher, but it's artificially limited due to the lack of drop-down oxy masks. At 29 tonnes it handles very well, but overall it doesn't handle turbulence that well, but then again neither does the 195.
The stories of constant technical problems is, in my view, a little exaggerated, I flew it for over 4 years and only ever had 1 snag (starter genny failure) that led to a flight being seriously delayed. Like the 145 it's a computer-driven aircraft, and if you do things in a logical order it behaves perfectly. Do anything out of sequence
and you'll be rewarded with a software glitch that needs the ctrl-alt-delete treatment to resolve.
However, I fully understand your comments re onward & upward, and that for some the idea may seem soul destroying.
The points you make are honest and with merit, all I can say is that in my view the 400 is a very good aircraft and I loved almost every minute flying it. The exceptions were, as previously mentioned, when surrounded by Cbs at your max altitude of FL250. Of course the aircraft is capable of flying much higher, but it's artificially limited due to the lack of drop-down oxy masks. At 29 tonnes it handles very well, but overall it doesn't handle turbulence that well, but then again neither does the 195.
The stories of constant technical problems is, in my view, a little exaggerated, I flew it for over 4 years and only ever had 1 snag (starter genny failure) that led to a flight being seriously delayed. Like the 145 it's a computer-driven aircraft, and if you do things in a logical order it behaves perfectly. Do anything out of sequence
and you'll be rewarded with a software glitch that needs the ctrl-alt-delete treatment to resolve.However, I fully understand your comments re onward & upward, and that for some the idea may seem soul destroying.
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A whole list of routes to get the axe post merger has just been issued.
Most are duplicates and some of the more 'niche' market services.
"All the routes being cancelled are substantial loss makers for the current BA Connect business. These routes need to be cancelled to protect the on-going viability of the business".
Most are duplicates and some of the more 'niche' market services.
"All the routes being cancelled are substantial loss makers for the current BA Connect business. These routes need to be cancelled to protect the on-going viability of the business".
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Anotherflapoperator - what a load of pompous crap you talk! Old hands retirement for easy life on a Q400 - I don't think so - Try it out - you would work very hard to get through the type conversion and line training
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Tyreplug,you are right.what is it with the inbreds from fraggle rock.they just aren't part of the modern world.want to play with aeroplanes,enjoy staff travel for their extended families and wollow in their tax exile status on that godforsaken,windswept,lump of rock in the middle of the irish sea.Nothing will tempt them away from IOM/LPL or IOM/MAN or other exciting routes.Any airline willing to employ them on their 1950's lifestyle will be welcomed with open arms.as for the rest of the guys,its a big world out there,i suggest you go for it !!!
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Tyreplug and bermudatriangle - you may scorn the words spoken by anotherflapoperator, but I would say that around 2/3rds of DHC8 Captains fit into the two groups he stated. However, in the case of the "ex long haul grandads who want to take it easy in their last years aloft." they soon tire of the idiots that manage us, and as they don't really need Flybe as much as Flybe needs them, they leave pretty quickly.
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Thanks for proving that there's some folk who still think the Island is full of old fashioned fools Tyreplug. The only thing 1950s about the place is the low crime rate and safety of the place for bringing up families. Once you live here, you learn to appreciate the virtues of the place (depending on spouse often) and either leave quickly or become embedded.
It's certainly not about any form of benefit from working for BA or suchlike. I've hardly ever used Staff travel for anything other than short trips to London, often taking the ferry with the family. It's very much Dead Man's Shoes here for a VERY good reason- Quality of Life. Quality of Career is something else and if you know me, then my example of how you can screw a career progression by staying put is a good example!
IOM/LPL or MAN?? oh how I loved that Cb dodging fun for six sector days! You'll find we used to do IOM/DUB/JER, Chambery charters, IOM/LTN/ Kerry, LHR now LGW and loads of other stuff too back when we had a management with some vision. Myself and my colleagues mostly do want some variety and spice to keep us awake. It's just the enjoyment of seeing family at nights is more powerful than the job for most of us.
There's still some resentment of the IOM crews in Bacon, God knows why? Granted low direct tax. Petrol costs a fortune, so does heating and electricity. Phone company takes the piss, weather's CRAP, roads dire, the Government generally incompetent and stuff costs a fortune and takes forever on mail order. In Manx days we were under constant scrutiny from management and at their mercy mostly. Now it's just a withered outpost. Why do folk still think we've got it so good I don't know? Must be the quick walk in from the parking lot?
It's certainly not about any form of benefit from working for BA or suchlike. I've hardly ever used Staff travel for anything other than short trips to London, often taking the ferry with the family. It's very much Dead Man's Shoes here for a VERY good reason- Quality of Life. Quality of Career is something else and if you know me, then my example of how you can screw a career progression by staying put is a good example!
IOM/LPL or MAN?? oh how I loved that Cb dodging fun for six sector days! You'll find we used to do IOM/DUB/JER, Chambery charters, IOM/LTN/ Kerry, LHR now LGW and loads of other stuff too back when we had a management with some vision. Myself and my colleagues mostly do want some variety and spice to keep us awake. It's just the enjoyment of seeing family at nights is more powerful than the job for most of us.
There's still some resentment of the IOM crews in Bacon, God knows why? Granted low direct tax. Petrol costs a fortune, so does heating and electricity. Phone company takes the piss, weather's CRAP, roads dire, the Government generally incompetent and stuff costs a fortune and takes forever on mail order. In Manx days we were under constant scrutiny from management and at their mercy mostly. Now it's just a withered outpost. Why do folk still think we've got it so good I don't know? Must be the quick walk in from the parking lot?
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Bermuda Triangle, a bit below the belt maybe. I may have three legs and enjoy paying a top rate tax of 18% but my aunt and sister in law aren't the same person according to my niece who whispered in my ear in bed last night.
An awful lot of us see the FlyBE aquisition of BACon is the best thing that's happened since BA got involved with BRAL/Manx. Many of us see it as an opportunity to repair the damage done over the past five years.
To work with a company who understand the business they are in will be so refreshing, even if we have to work a bit harder and take a hit on the t's and c's.
Bring it on.
An awful lot of us see the FlyBE aquisition of BACon is the best thing that's happened since BA got involved with BRAL/Manx. Many of us see it as an opportunity to repair the damage done over the past five years.
To work with a company who understand the business they are in will be so refreshing, even if we have to work a bit harder and take a hit on the t's and c's.
Bring it on.
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