Flybe to aquire BA Connect. Crew thread. (No Spotters)-(Part 2)
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Spartacan, no probs. Just remember, with the Orange or Blue, you can get several days off if you want to domicile on the Island, just like the long haul boys do. Flybe will be recruiting soon, and when they do, watch how Euromanx and Eastern bite if you dangle a CV their way
Best of luck in your search!
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Best of luck in your search!
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Got a call today asking if I was still interested in a job with one of the company's with reference this thread. I applied over 12 months ago. I said sorry as I have accepted the second jet job to be offered to me in the last 7 weeks. I have 440 hours total time. Nearly 40 years old.
I mentioned that I could recommend a few friends of mine who would love a chance of an interview but was told that they are only looking at those recommended by Integrated schools at the moment.
Shame really as they are missing out on some really good guys. I myself did not go to an integrated school and have been offered 2 jet jobs, what does this tell you.
Give the job to someone who is up to their eyes in debt and will leave to bigger and better things ASAP to try and pay it off or give a modular guy a chance of an interview that may also be a bit older and in less debt. Do they want a stable work force or not.
I also have a friend who is 36 years old and has only 250 hours total. He was modular like myself and started his first turboprop job 3 weeks ago.
There are jobs out there to be had. I know soooooo many friends that have got their first job in 2006, many of which were straight onto jets.
Also got told this week that easyJet are looking for around 150 pilots right now just to stay still without their expansion plans.
With reference Euromanx and Eastern, I think they will find that less and less guys will bother sending them CV's as the job market gets better and better.
I never bothered sending a CV to Eastern. Aim at the top of the list and work your way down, not the other way around.
Best wishes to all at BA Connect and Flybe. Hope 2007 ends better than it starts. I know loads of pilots at BA Connect who have been for interviews elsewhere. Shame really. I think this is due to being kept in the dark. If BA Connect and Flybe management had had open meetings with everyone earlier, then pilots would not of started looking elsewhere.
I mentioned that I could recommend a few friends of mine who would love a chance of an interview but was told that they are only looking at those recommended by Integrated schools at the moment.
Shame really as they are missing out on some really good guys. I myself did not go to an integrated school and have been offered 2 jet jobs, what does this tell you.
Give the job to someone who is up to their eyes in debt and will leave to bigger and better things ASAP to try and pay it off or give a modular guy a chance of an interview that may also be a bit older and in less debt. Do they want a stable work force or not.
I also have a friend who is 36 years old and has only 250 hours total. He was modular like myself and started his first turboprop job 3 weeks ago.
There are jobs out there to be had. I know soooooo many friends that have got their first job in 2006, many of which were straight onto jets.
Also got told this week that easyJet are looking for around 150 pilots right now just to stay still without their expansion plans.
With reference Euromanx and Eastern, I think they will find that less and less guys will bother sending them CV's as the job market gets better and better.
I never bothered sending a CV to Eastern. Aim at the top of the list and work your way down, not the other way around.
Best wishes to all at BA Connect and Flybe. Hope 2007 ends better than it starts. I know loads of pilots at BA Connect who have been for interviews elsewhere. Shame really. I think this is due to being kept in the dark. If BA Connect and Flybe management had had open meetings with everyone earlier, then pilots would not of started looking elsewhere.
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I can say that I am happy to be leaving BACON in a few weeks time and get away from all the chaos.
We had some senior bods from Flybe in the crewroom the other day and it made for an interesting morning. I dont think they had realised how strong feelings are running and how many people are off. Feelings are running deep, more due to the people feeling sold down the river by BA after several years of upset than any anomosity to Flybe.
Although it does help that with things feeling like they were getting sorted out with the final goodbye to BAR last year, a move to Flybe feels like going back several years to unstable rostering and having no life. The no life thing you can get at many other arlines, the difference being you'll get renumerated for it !
Plus the more you look at how its been done it looks like it has been planned for some considerable time. A very senior couple of plonkers, er, pilots from BACON were at a large flight school last year sorting out a deal for picking up a stack of baby pilots. Now, true to form BACON have just "sourced" 60 baby pilots from said flight school recently, first of four courses of 15 pilots started a few weeks ago.
I can truely say I'm glad to leaving this sorry mess behind, BACON - Citiexpress- Brymon-BRAL-Manx-Lognair this company has really been through it in the last few years .I think people are worn down by it and are not willing to put up with another integration and turmoil that this brings.
Goodluck to my mates who are staying - I hope it works out for you who want to stay and for those still looking , I hope that tunnel appears...........
me, I'm worn out and glad to be off.......................
We had some senior bods from Flybe in the crewroom the other day and it made for an interesting morning. I dont think they had realised how strong feelings are running and how many people are off. Feelings are running deep, more due to the people feeling sold down the river by BA after several years of upset than any anomosity to Flybe.
Although it does help that with things feeling like they were getting sorted out with the final goodbye to BAR last year, a move to Flybe feels like going back several years to unstable rostering and having no life. The no life thing you can get at many other arlines, the difference being you'll get renumerated for it !
Plus the more you look at how its been done it looks like it has been planned for some considerable time. A very senior couple of plonkers, er, pilots from BACON were at a large flight school last year sorting out a deal for picking up a stack of baby pilots. Now, true to form BACON have just "sourced" 60 baby pilots from said flight school recently, first of four courses of 15 pilots started a few weeks ago.
I can truely say I'm glad to leaving this sorry mess behind, BACON - Citiexpress- Brymon-BRAL-Manx-Lognair this company has really been through it in the last few years .I think people are worn down by it and are not willing to put up with another integration and turmoil that this brings.
Goodluck to my mates who are staying - I hope it works out for you who want to stay and for those still looking , I hope that tunnel appears...........
me, I'm worn out and glad to be off.......................
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We at Flybe are interested in what BAcon boys and girls have to say about several ex Bacon employees running the flybe side now.
The most recent is our head of training B W, he seems to be as popular as a fart in a space suit.
The others have been here a while, the turbo prop manager I C and our ops director.
The most recent is our head of training B W, he seems to be as popular as a fart in a space suit.
The others have been here a while, the turbo prop manager I C and our ops director.
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The others have been here a while, the turbo prop manager I C and our ops director.
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IC and BW were seen in our crewroom a month or two ago, and the way they spoke to the crews is seen as a significant factor in alot of people reaching for the exit door.
To paraphrase, they told us - to be grateful to still have a job (which is a reasonable thing to say, although I think it was the tone in which this was said) and that we will all be on the Q400 within a year as the 145's will be going very shortly. Oh, and don't even think you'll get a look in as far as remaining on jets goes.
Well this dosen't appear to be happening as quickly as mentioned, but alot of folk have reached for the door as they've been told "you won't stay on a jet". These two guys have got a lot to answer for in terms of "encouraging" BACON guys to leave - but maybe that's what they want ?!?
To paraphrase, they told us - to be grateful to still have a job (which is a reasonable thing to say, although I think it was the tone in which this was said) and that we will all be on the Q400 within a year as the 145's will be going very shortly. Oh, and don't even think you'll get a look in as far as remaining on jets goes.
Well this dosen't appear to be happening as quickly as mentioned, but alot of folk have reached for the door as they've been told "you won't stay on a jet". These two guys have got a lot to answer for in terms of "encouraging" BACON guys to leave - but maybe that's what they want ?!?
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IC & BW not only do not possess the competence and man-management skills to cope with the roles they have at Flybe, but also the roles they have been given in this BACon issue. I would suggest it is they that should be reaching for the door.
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Either that or someone has been talking to someone who knows the brother of the bloke down the Spar shop who's cat is related to the bloke that sometimes drives the bus that stops outside Waterworld.....
God, please don't make us have to go and work for our friends in the north if this all goes tits up. Another 18 months of PH promising jam tomorrow, and CP whistling while Rome burns really would do my head in
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God, please don't make us have to go and work for our friends in the north if this all goes tits up. Another 18 months of PH promising jam tomorrow, and CP whistling while Rome burns really would do my head in
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Frankly, I hope the whole thing falls through. The last thing I want is to find myself again in a Co with more routes that it can service, more aircraft than it can crew and utter chaos at HQ. Flybe is just emerging from the trauma of the last 4 years and its people (wherever they come from or wherever they work) do not need this uncertainty. Whoever thought this due diligence could be sorted out and the whole thing finalised inside the original time scale needs a reality check. 
Good luck to the Bacons who are looking elsewhere.
Good luck to the Bacons who are looking elsewhere.
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'Good luck to the Bacons who are looking elsewhere'
What about us Bacons that do not want to go elsewhere? There are some of us that actually just want this deal to go ahead so that we can get on with it. Be part of a company that is not saddled by a totally unsuitable parent, part of a company that does at least know what it wants to be and perhaps be part of something that is in a state of growth and expansion for a change.
What about us Bacons that do not want to go elsewhere? There are some of us that actually just want this deal to go ahead so that we can get on with it. Be part of a company that is not saddled by a totally unsuitable parent, part of a company that does at least know what it wants to be and perhaps be part of something that is in a state of growth and expansion for a change.
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Have to agree with you Cutoff, if this deal doesn't go through then where do we go. The truth is BA doesn't want us. Flybe may not be perfect but at least they want us and they also seem to have a plan.Finally they're trying to expand something we have never experienced in Bacon.
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Where do you go is a good point.
I think that the most important motivator is getting a base close to home, followed (closely) by pound notes and then terms and conditions. So if you are with a company that gets you the base that you want that is a big tick (I think anyway).
Further we are all aware that EJ are mopping up, but people are now coming back from assessments with potential start dates of Sept (and beyond), there is no base with them until a month to go to start date and many of their more provincial bases already have people waiting to work there, Liverpool and East Midlands for example.
The traditional charters have now recruited for the summer season, before Mytravel and Thomas Cook merged which will undoubtedly mean fewer jobs, and Jet 2 are now putting people into their hold pool having over recruited. So whilst there are certainly airlines that will willingly interview people from Bacon, and Flybe for that matter, there are not that many at present that can offer immediate starts. This job is better than any real job, I know I tried a few, and I for one am keen that this deal progresses asap so that I can relax a little and keep doing what I love.
I think that the most important motivator is getting a base close to home, followed (closely) by pound notes and then terms and conditions. So if you are with a company that gets you the base that you want that is a big tick (I think anyway).
Further we are all aware that EJ are mopping up, but people are now coming back from assessments with potential start dates of Sept (and beyond), there is no base with them until a month to go to start date and many of their more provincial bases already have people waiting to work there, Liverpool and East Midlands for example.
The traditional charters have now recruited for the summer season, before Mytravel and Thomas Cook merged which will undoubtedly mean fewer jobs, and Jet 2 are now putting people into their hold pool having over recruited. So whilst there are certainly airlines that will willingly interview people from Bacon, and Flybe for that matter, there are not that many at present that can offer immediate starts. This job is better than any real job, I know I tried a few, and I for one am keen that this deal progresses asap so that I can relax a little and keep doing what I love.
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Completely agree with you cutoff.What about those of us trying to get a job,going to interview after interview but not getting a job because you never know what the companies are looking for at these assesments (i am cabin crew,not flight deck). Im going to flybe, as are many of us. Does that mean people like Whispermode wish us bad luck and hope that everything fails for us?
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I doubt that anybody thinks that... everybody that comes to flybe comes from another employer, it doesn't matter if it is BACON or somewhere else.
Most flybe folk will be very protective of their seniority and future prospects for command, if they are pilots. That is probably going to be the biggest bone of contention. Neither side wants to be disadvantaged, but the only certainty is that one side will be. Sad, but true.
Having worked for both sides, I hope it can be sorted amicably, but - as they say north of the border - a hae me doots...
Does that mean people like Whispermode wish us bad luck and hope that everything fails for us?
Most flybe folk will be very protective of their seniority and future prospects for command, if they are pilots. That is probably going to be the biggest bone of contention. Neither side wants to be disadvantaged, but the only certainty is that one side will be. Sad, but true.
Having worked for both sides, I hope it can be sorted amicably, but - as they say north of the border - a hae me doots...