Jet2 Sector Pay?
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boxjockey99, just ask yourself which union has more pilots and has representation at the best paying airlines with the best T's & C's. It should be a no-brainer. There is only one union that has the experience and expertise.
Does it really have to be spelt out any clearer than that? Anything else and you will just be wasting your time, money and effort.
Does it really have to be spelt out any clearer than that? Anything else and you will just be wasting your time, money and effort.
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Has anyone contacted BALPA to see how many are in fact members?
Also, In my airline one of my collegues publishes an unofficial crewlist with everyones email and phone number. When we tried to establish how many people were union members 1 individual send out an email to all requesting membership status. One way to find out how many you've got/ how many you need. Perhaps a crewlist is a good start. One could even set up an psuedo email if repurcussion is a concern.
Just a thought.
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Also, In my airline one of my collegues publishes an unofficial crewlist with everyones email and phone number. When we tried to establish how many people were union members 1 individual send out an email to all requesting membership status. One way to find out how many you've got/ how many you need. Perhaps a crewlist is a good start. One could even set up an psuedo email if repurcussion is a concern.
Just a thought.
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Here's what I'm doing.
I'm sure that BALPA is the right union but:
1. I don't believe we'll get a reasonable membership.
2. Over the years I've resigned twice and on principle I won't rejoin. I don't want to put the dirty laundry on Pprune so, if you want to know why, PM me and include something that indicates that you work for Jet2.
I respect Silverhawk's judgement and I'm going to try the T&G, which will at least give us a voice if not BALPA's expertise and muscle. If there is nobody else there within a month or two, I'll resign my membership and probably leave it at that.
My T&G application will be in the post tonight.
I'm sure that BALPA is the right union but:
1. I don't believe we'll get a reasonable membership.
2. Over the years I've resigned twice and on principle I won't rejoin. I don't want to put the dirty laundry on Pprune so, if you want to know why, PM me and include something that indicates that you work for Jet2.
I respect Silverhawk's judgement and I'm going to try the T&G, which will at least give us a voice if not BALPA's expertise and muscle. If there is nobody else there within a month or two, I'll resign my membership and probably leave it at that.
My T&G application will be in the post tonight.
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depending on membership levels.
For information the Fixed Rate Expenses Allowance at Jet2 for 2005/6 was £728.
The Balpa negotiated FREA for 2006/7 is £850. Good, but not a massive increase for us.
For information the Fixed Rate Expenses Allowance at Jet2 for 2005/6 was £728.
The Balpa negotiated FREA for 2006/7 is £850. Good, but not a massive increase for us.
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Silverhawk, I'm not sure I understand.
If BALPA negotiates the FREA figures with the tax people, does that mean we can all use them regardless of membership or employer?
Or is the 2005/6 £728 figure for Jet2 unique? And what do we use for 2006/7?
Thanks.
If BALPA negotiates the FREA figures with the tax people, does that mean we can all use them regardless of membership or employer?
Or is the 2005/6 £728 figure for Jet2 unique? And what do we use for 2006/7?
Thanks.
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We can all claim the £850 whether or not you are in Balpa.
Contact your tax office to have your tax code adjusted for 2006/7.
£728 was the figure agreed with Channex/Jet2 and taxman for 2005/6. That was about twice what other airlines were claiming.
Contact your tax office to have your tax code adjusted for 2006/7.
£728 was the figure agreed with Channex/Jet2 and taxman for 2005/6. That was about twice what other airlines were claiming.
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Just spoken to HMRC and changed my code up from £728 to £850 for the FREAs. Tax office says she will contact Boh to adjust everyones codes, but best confirm this individually with your own tax office.
Worth about £340 pa. That's a lot of beer!
Worth about £340 pa. That's a lot of beer!
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Sorry guys, blonde hostie here.... whats the £850.00 thing about? Is it the allowance I can claim for my stockings and make-up at work? I thought I had to apply to the tax office in writing for that?
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Yes PP, but if in this scenario BALPA are going to take it upon themselves to approach the taxman and effectively represent every pilot in UK, you can hardly complain if we all jump on the bandwagon. After all, if the T&G now approached the taxman on the same matter to get an even better deal, they would be told that it was all done and dusted. Also, having negotiated it on our behalf whether we like it or not, BALPA don't exactly make easy for anyone to find out about it - hence my thanks to Silverhawk.
Jet2Impress, in the nicest way, I think that this is a pilot thing. There must be a figure for cabin crew but I don't know what it is.
Jet2Impress, in the nicest way, I think that this is a pilot thing. There must be a figure for cabin crew but I don't know what it is.
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It would appear, silverhawk, that you are wrong on the tax relief point. This lifted from the BALPA website:
Tax Relief on Subscriptions
Although many of you will have heard already, I am pleased to be able to formally report that we have now heard from the Inland Revenue that you may obtain tax relief on most of your subscriptions to BALPA; specifically that they have approved BALPA as a relevant body under Section 344 ITEPA 2003. The State now, therefore, recognises BALPA on terms similar to the Royal College of Physicians, the Institute of Engineers and the Law Society. This means that at a conservative estimate, taking into account UK non-residents and assuming relief at 40% for UK taxpayers, this collectively will put just over £1 million immediately back into members’ pockets for last year alone.
Much of the debate has centred on the amount of an individual’s subscription that would qualify for relief. We have now agreed a figure of two thirds (66.7%), the highest figure used by the Revenue if the total subscriptions are not adjudged to be wholly qualifying.
I am also pleased to be able to advise you that the first year of qualification will be in respect of subscriptions paid in the 2003/4-tax year.
Instruction for Tax Return
The amount shown in box 1.34 is 66.7% of my annual subscription to BALPA, as recently agreed with the Inland Revenue. Although this does not yet appear on List 3 confirmation is confirmed by your Personal Tax Policy reference SAP/126/PRW/s344. My annual subscription for the 2003/4 year was £ (X). Please also amend my code number for 2004/5 to reflect my 2004/5 subscriptions which I estimate as £ (Y) and of which I claim relief in the amount of £ (2/3Y) "
Which suggests to me that it is not a blanket agreement with the revenue for any trade union. So I rang my accountant who informs me that it is to the best of her knowledge it is a BALPA specific agreement. I should add that her company is very near the airport and does numerous tax returns for pilots from different companies.
With reference to the fixed rate expense allowance (FREA): This is the amount entered in box 1.33 of the tax return and is the amount agreed between the company and it’s local tax office to cover wear and tear aircrew items, it was £728 on my last tax return. I rang my accountant to check this, and she says FREA is being changed in this tax year, but she didn’t know the details. So I rang BALPA Financial Service and asked them. Apparently FREA cannot be claimed for this tax year, we now have to claim individual expenses. The lady in BFS wasn’t sure of the details, but BFS is to issue a letter to all members in 3 to 4 weeks time detailing the changes and advising what and how we can claim expenses in lieu of FREA.
It would appear your information might be wrong again. Will the T & G write to its members advising how to claim expenses from the revenue?
I’m sorry silverhawk and pilothouse; this T & G thing is half cocked. I don’t want well meaning individuals dishing duff advice to other pilots or negotiating with the company on my behalf and I wont support your efforts or the T & G.
We would do better to get a Jet2 specific forum as silverhawk is attempting to do and use it to organise ourselves and form Company Council. We would need 4 CC members at least. If more than 4 people want to be on the CC, candidates can produce their own manifesto and the other members of the forum can vote for who they want to represent them. MANBLK has conducted a poll of sorts, he could organise the voting. Since the moderator of a company forum knows who PPuners are, it would be easy to make sure only genuine Jet2 members get to vote once. As far as aware, company specific forums are the only forums that members have to prove their identity. Once a CC formed, the CC writes to ID and request a meeting to discuss sector pay, which is after all, why this thread started. Our aim should be £4 per sector for FO’s leaving the Capts unchanged. If ID wont meet us or negotiate, then we start talking unions.
Tax Relief on Subscriptions
Although many of you will have heard already, I am pleased to be able to formally report that we have now heard from the Inland Revenue that you may obtain tax relief on most of your subscriptions to BALPA; specifically that they have approved BALPA as a relevant body under Section 344 ITEPA 2003. The State now, therefore, recognises BALPA on terms similar to the Royal College of Physicians, the Institute of Engineers and the Law Society. This means that at a conservative estimate, taking into account UK non-residents and assuming relief at 40% for UK taxpayers, this collectively will put just over £1 million immediately back into members’ pockets for last year alone.
Much of the debate has centred on the amount of an individual’s subscription that would qualify for relief. We have now agreed a figure of two thirds (66.7%), the highest figure used by the Revenue if the total subscriptions are not adjudged to be wholly qualifying.
I am also pleased to be able to advise you that the first year of qualification will be in respect of subscriptions paid in the 2003/4-tax year.
Instruction for Tax Return
The amount shown in box 1.34 is 66.7% of my annual subscription to BALPA, as recently agreed with the Inland Revenue. Although this does not yet appear on List 3 confirmation is confirmed by your Personal Tax Policy reference SAP/126/PRW/s344. My annual subscription for the 2003/4 year was £ (X). Please also amend my code number for 2004/5 to reflect my 2004/5 subscriptions which I estimate as £ (Y) and of which I claim relief in the amount of £ (2/3Y) "
Which suggests to me that it is not a blanket agreement with the revenue for any trade union. So I rang my accountant who informs me that it is to the best of her knowledge it is a BALPA specific agreement. I should add that her company is very near the airport and does numerous tax returns for pilots from different companies.
With reference to the fixed rate expense allowance (FREA): This is the amount entered in box 1.33 of the tax return and is the amount agreed between the company and it’s local tax office to cover wear and tear aircrew items, it was £728 on my last tax return. I rang my accountant to check this, and she says FREA is being changed in this tax year, but she didn’t know the details. So I rang BALPA Financial Service and asked them. Apparently FREA cannot be claimed for this tax year, we now have to claim individual expenses. The lady in BFS wasn’t sure of the details, but BFS is to issue a letter to all members in 3 to 4 weeks time detailing the changes and advising what and how we can claim expenses in lieu of FREA.
It would appear your information might be wrong again. Will the T & G write to its members advising how to claim expenses from the revenue?
I’m sorry silverhawk and pilothouse; this T & G thing is half cocked. I don’t want well meaning individuals dishing duff advice to other pilots or negotiating with the company on my behalf and I wont support your efforts or the T & G.
We would do better to get a Jet2 specific forum as silverhawk is attempting to do and use it to organise ourselves and form Company Council. We would need 4 CC members at least. If more than 4 people want to be on the CC, candidates can produce their own manifesto and the other members of the forum can vote for who they want to represent them. MANBLK has conducted a poll of sorts, he could organise the voting. Since the moderator of a company forum knows who PPuners are, it would be easy to make sure only genuine Jet2 members get to vote once. As far as aware, company specific forums are the only forums that members have to prove their identity. Once a CC formed, the CC writes to ID and request a meeting to discuss sector pay, which is after all, why this thread started. Our aim should be £4 per sector for FO’s leaving the Capts unchanged. If ID wont meet us or negotiate, then we start talking unions.
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Suspect your accountant is behind the curve. I discussed this today with Inland Revenue, as was. My code already changed to the new agreement. Simply done on tax code, not on a tax return. I'm PAYE.
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Pilothouse,
It was tongue in cheek, hence my smilie!
How should they do this for non-members? Use some of my membership money to mail shot them, assuming they had the staff and time to find out where they all live?! Or perhaps they could use some of my membership money to pay for an ad in Flight International? Or perhaps they could ask the hard working CC members to get pilot management to issue notices to ALL pilots in the company, oh that wouldn't work in Jet2 though would it! Or perhaps they could just do what we pay them for and inform those of us who are members.....
Don't take offence mate, I'm just having a laugh.
Good luck with your T&G exploits, I really do hope you succeed in breaking new ground, even though I don't belive it is your best option.
PP
It was tongue in cheek, hence my smilie!
Originally Posted by pilothouse
BALPA don't exactly make easy for anyone to find out about it.
Don't take offence mate, I'm just having a laugh.
Good luck with your T&G exploits, I really do hope you succeed in breaking new ground, even though I don't belive it is your best option.PP
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Pilot pete,
Stop wasting your time mate, Jet2 is full of naive divided crew that will not listen to your sensible advice.
Unionisation on the scale of what is required will not happen here, yeah some will join the T&G but before long they will become disillusioned with that also.
In post 199 pilothouse wrote:-
'Jet2Impress, in the nicest way, I think that this is a pilot thing. There must be a figure for cabin crew but I don't know what it is.'
If this post doesn't prove that BALPA is the only way for the pilot workforce then I don't know what does. We just dont know the requirements of our colleagues and if we choose to find out it will only water down our own negotiations . WE need to look after ourselves in the first instance as a pilot community if we can then go on to assist our other colleagues then we can do so if we wish.
A lot of respondents to this thread have mentioned their distrust in BALPA but as I and others have stated earlier it's all down to the strength and resolve of the crew council that we the pilots elect not BALPA itself. If we did choose BALPA then the crew council that we elect is vital to its success.
Also if we can get representation going for a smaller part of the workforce it will then be easier to expand our quest with the rest of the workforce.
Meeson did it with the company itself, he started the company on a smallish scale at Leeds which then became somewhat of a stronghold as it grew,this then allowed him to expanded outwards cleaning up as he went.
This is what we need to do but with a union. THE RIGHT UNION.
Stop wasting your time mate, Jet2 is full of naive divided crew that will not listen to your sensible advice.
Unionisation on the scale of what is required will not happen here, yeah some will join the T&G but before long they will become disillusioned with that also.
In post 199 pilothouse wrote:-
'Jet2Impress, in the nicest way, I think that this is a pilot thing. There must be a figure for cabin crew but I don't know what it is.'
If this post doesn't prove that BALPA is the only way for the pilot workforce then I don't know what does. We just dont know the requirements of our colleagues and if we choose to find out it will only water down our own negotiations . WE need to look after ourselves in the first instance as a pilot community if we can then go on to assist our other colleagues then we can do so if we wish.
A lot of respondents to this thread have mentioned their distrust in BALPA but as I and others have stated earlier it's all down to the strength and resolve of the crew council that we the pilots elect not BALPA itself. If we did choose BALPA then the crew council that we elect is vital to its success.
Also if we can get representation going for a smaller part of the workforce it will then be easier to expand our quest with the rest of the workforce.
Meeson did it with the company itself, he started the company on a smallish scale at Leeds which then became somewhat of a stronghold as it grew,this then allowed him to expanded outwards cleaning up as he went.
This is what we need to do but with a union. THE RIGHT UNION.