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757 operator. I have no connection with Ardacre or Maat other than they may also work for Jet2, I have no idea who they are.
You are correct I have not posted before. You have stated you do not work for Jet2, may I suggest you look after your interests and allow us at Jet2 to takecare of our own internal matters.
I am quite sure neither I or other pilots at Jet2 need your guidance.
You are correct I have not posted before. You have stated you do not work for Jet2, may I suggest you look after your interests and allow us at Jet2 to takecare of our own internal matters.
I am quite sure neither I or other pilots at Jet2 need your guidance.
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Originally Posted by Boeingmann
...........allow us at Jet2 to take care of our own internal matters.
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Originally Posted by 757operator
Well Boeingmann, judging by your one and only highly constructive post I'm not sure that you'll be a success at that without outside assistance.
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It must be very reassuring to have all the answers to all the questions. Do you ever accept criticism or advice?
You may have a gripe with me, but at least I will listen to all opinions, no matter where they work. Experience cannot be learned all in one lifetime and we do well to use the knowledge acquired by others.
Like flying, you learn something from everyone you fly with, some good, some bad. It's then up to you to filter what you envisage to be the good stuff.
I welcome the input from Pilot Pete and 757 Operator.
You may have a gripe with me, but at least I will listen to all opinions, no matter where they work. Experience cannot be learned all in one lifetime and we do well to use the knowledge acquired by others.
Like flying, you learn something from everyone you fly with, some good, some bad. It's then up to you to filter what you envisage to be the good stuff.
I welcome the input from Pilot Pete and 757 Operator.
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Originally Posted by 757operator
Do you have married rosters in Jet2? It's just that maat and ardacre often seem to be online together and sing from the same hymnsheet.
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Silverhawk,
Thanks for that. I didn't interfere frivolously. Except for you, nobody seems to be trying to unite the Jet2 pilot force. I suspect that many pilots are with you, but with no Pprune posts of support I felt that your efforts could use some recognition in the face of some unpleasant opposition.
Thanks for that. I didn't interfere frivolously. Except for you, nobody seems to be trying to unite the Jet2 pilot force. I suspect that many pilots are with you, but with no Pprune posts of support I felt that your efforts could use some recognition in the face of some unpleasant opposition.
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but word has it, on the financial streets of London, that Jet2 is in fianancial difficulty. PM has allegedly been sniffing around venture capitalists to try to raise more cash but has not succeeded, they simply don't believe that Jet2 can compete with the bigger, more realistic low cost carriers. 
Therefore, it doesn't matter which union you join your poor, dismal pay, anchored at the bottom of the UK scales, will continue because PM & ID possibly cannot pay you any more than a derisory amount.
With a post like that JFP most of the rest of us can see how incredibily naive you all are at Jet2. How on earth do you expect to continue to trade when every other loco is flying their crew to 900 hours per annum? No wonder PM had to sell his aircraft then re-lease them back.
Therefore, it doesn't matter which union you join your poor, dismal pay, anchored at the bottom of the UK scales, will continue because PM & ID possibly cannot pay you any more than a derisory amount.
My roster 22 May to 18 June has 16 sectors and 42 hours! And to those of you who consistantly knock Jet2, that's the reason most of us are really quite ok about working here. Sure, some things could be better, but i don't think I've exceeded much above 50 hours/month since last summer, and even then I bet I didn't do much above 70 hours in any of those "busy" months.
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Dart Group PLC
13 April 2006
Dart Group PLC ('the Group')
Pre-close Trading Update
Dart Group PLC, the aviation and distribution group, issues the following
trading update relating to the second half of its financial year ended 31 March
2006, ahead of the Group's preliminary results announcement scheduled for 15
June 2006.
Trading Before Exceptional Items
Second half trading has been encouraging in both Aviation Services and
Distribution. Accordingly, the Group remains comfortable with current market
expectations for its year ended 31 March 2006. In the second half, further
investment in the aircraft fleet was made with the acquisition of a Boeing 737
Quick Change aircraft and a Boeing 757 passenger aircraft.
edited to add that market expectations are a profit of £12 to £15 million.
Dart Group PLC
13 April 2006
Dart Group PLC ('the Group')
Pre-close Trading Update
Dart Group PLC, the aviation and distribution group, issues the following
trading update relating to the second half of its financial year ended 31 March
2006, ahead of the Group's preliminary results announcement scheduled for 15
June 2006.
Trading Before Exceptional Items
Second half trading has been encouraging in both Aviation Services and
Distribution. Accordingly, the Group remains comfortable with current market
expectations for its year ended 31 March 2006. In the second half, further
investment in the aircraft fleet was made with the acquisition of a Boeing 737
Quick Change aircraft and a Boeing 757 passenger aircraft.
edited to add that market expectations are a profit of £12 to £15 million.
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Still got the clubs
Very intresting post. The winter leave thing got me thinking a bit. To Be honest the summer has not gone great so far, lack of aircraft due late engineering inputs causing 3 extra aircraft to be subbed in. The inpending expensive move of the head office from Boh to Lba. You have me a bit worried now a cashflow injection may be needed....
Hope I find out soon as I dont fancy moving to sunny Leeds to get shafted.
The Gimp
Very intresting post. The winter leave thing got me thinking a bit. To Be honest the summer has not gone great so far, lack of aircraft due late engineering inputs causing 3 extra aircraft to be subbed in. The inpending expensive move of the head office from Boh to Lba. You have me a bit worried now a cashflow injection may be needed....
Hope I find out soon as I dont fancy moving to sunny Leeds to get shafted.
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I for one do not trust still-got-his-clubs' motives. Who does he work for now?
If you take into account the pay and conditions, pay-per-pilot-hour in Jet2 is roughly the same as in Ryanair or easyJet. We fly less and get paid less. Also, remember that some Jet2 pilots are working much harder, ask the Leeds guys.
If you take into account the pay and conditions, pay-per-pilot-hour in Jet2 is roughly the same as in Ryanair or easyJet. We fly less and get paid less. Also, remember that some Jet2 pilots are working much harder, ask the Leeds guys.
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Originally Posted by Going loco
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investment in the aircraft fleet was made with the acquisition of a Boeing 737
Quick Change aircraft and a Boeing 757 passenger aircraft.
The only new aircraft I know about is G-LSAC (757) due an airtest and entry into service mid month.
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Originally Posted by ILS Repeater
The only new aircraft I know about is G-LSAC (757) due an airtest and entry into service mid month.
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Originally Posted by still got his clubs
No wonder PM had to sell his aircraft then re-lease them back.
I also checked the G INFO database for a light aircraft that I know that has just been bought by a friend. That aircraft is registered as 'Potential change of Registered Ownership in progress'.
So how can one check that still got his clubs information is correct?
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Rudder Pedals,
Be nice if they had told us in Ops about the mysterious AD, we could then perhaps have prepared the necessary paperwork.
It takes longer than one or two months to arrange all the relevant manuals and certificates before an aircraft can be added to the AOC etc. and we have been told nothing as yet !
ILS
Be nice if they had told us in Ops about the mysterious AD, we could then perhaps have prepared the necessary paperwork.
It takes longer than one or two months to arrange all the relevant manuals and certificates before an aircraft can be added to the AOC etc. and we have been told nothing as yet !
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Maat. Could it be the latest QC we have bought staying on TF and be operated by us via an Iceland AOC with our crews having validations as before?? There may be a certification problems with the cargo door on this aircraft.
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Spot on the cargo door is the issue... seem to remember same problem with last islandic transfer and the heavily delayed pure freighter!!! Again the costs are mounting due bad planning and risky purchases. The Yes men are saying it too much to Pm for me.
Bartelby
Spot on the cargo door is the issue... seem to remember same problem with last islandic transfer and the heavily delayed pure freighter!!! Again the costs are mounting due bad planning and risky purchases. The Yes men are saying it too much to Pm for me.
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I've just checked the CAA database, G INFO. All Jet2's aircraft are registered as being owned by the Dart group.
I also checked the G INFO database for a light aircraft that I know that has just been bought by a friend. That aircraft is registered as 'Potential change of Registered Ownership in progress'.
So how can one check that still got his clubs information is correct?
I also checked the G INFO database for a light aircraft that I know that has just been bought by a friend. That aircraft is registered as 'Potential change of Registered Ownership in progress'.
So how can one check that still got his clubs information is correct?
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Originally Posted by still got his clubs
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but word has it, on the financial streets of London, that Jet2 is in fianancial difficulty. PM has allegedly been sniffing around venture capitalists to try to raise more cash but has not succeeded, they simply don't believe that Jet2 can compete with the bigger, more realistic low cost carriers.
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Going loco, do you remember Air Europe? How about Laker? Ever heard of Sabena or Swiss Air? Is the Captain of the Titanic familiar to you? All claimed that they were safe, doing well, better results than expected & look what happened. 
Trainer too 2, you are living proof why the one thing that PM has got right is your new sector pay. You are worth only £2.50 & that's stretching it! I am telling you what was discussed in The City, not hearsay, sunshine.
Maat, all jet2's aircraft are not owned by the Dart group as such, PM went through an exercise of flogging them off & then leasing them back to raise much needed cash, don't forget that these figures would appear in the profit that Going loco tried to impress with.
Think about it & your derisory sector pay, lack of negotiation, moving ground staff to cheaper offices & an area of lower salaries after so many years in BOH starts to make sense, doesn't it? It seems that everytime someone tries to open your eyes to, what to everyone else is the bleedin' obvious, a certain number of you get very aggitated. Just wipe the sh!t out of your eyes & you might just see the freight train coming that's about to hit you.
It is a petty that you have not used your time after leaving the company to understand business and finance in general before posting the above.
Maat, all jet2's aircraft are not owned by the Dart group as such, PM went through an exercise of flogging them off & then leasing them back to raise much needed cash, don't forget that these figures would appear in the profit that Going loco tried to impress with.
Think about it & your derisory sector pay, lack of negotiation, moving ground staff to cheaper offices & an area of lower salaries after so many years in BOH starts to make sense, doesn't it? It seems that everytime someone tries to open your eyes to, what to everyone else is the bleedin' obvious, a certain number of you get very aggitated. Just wipe the sh!t out of your eyes & you might just see the freight train coming that's about to hit you.
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"Maat, all jet2's aircraft are not owned by the Dart group as such, PM went through an exercise of flogging them off & then leasing them back to raise much needed cash, don't forget that these figures would appear in the profit that Going loco tried to impress with."
I do remember Air Europe. Success story of the UK, then aircraft parked up with no indication of thing awry with the company.
Which is why I wondered how one could check the ownership or leaseholder of aircraft. The registration plate on all our aircraft I have been on states Dart Group as owner, the CAA database has the aircraft registered to Dart group. The last company financial statement states that 20(?) of Jet2’s aircraft are owned by Dart. I don’t doubt what you say, but, as your first instructor probably told you, never assume, check.
Which returns to my question: How can one check the ownership or leaseholder of an aircraft?
I do remember Air Europe. Success story of the UK, then aircraft parked up with no indication of thing awry with the company.
Which is why I wondered how one could check the ownership or leaseholder of aircraft. The registration plate on all our aircraft I have been on states Dart Group as owner, the CAA database has the aircraft registered to Dart group. The last company financial statement states that 20(?) of Jet2’s aircraft are owned by Dart. I don’t doubt what you say, but, as your first instructor probably told you, never assume, check.
Which returns to my question: How can one check the ownership or leaseholder of an aircraft?