Ryanair Pilot shortage hits crisis Point?
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Ryanair Pilot shortage hits crisis Point?
Leave has been cancelled for the next two months for Captains and First officers at two of the largest bases. Crews being denied the allowed holiday periods.
1000 Flights already cancelled due to "Boeing Machinist strikes" ; real reason because of Pilot shortage.
Rumours of another 1000 uncrewed rotations in the next two months.
Has this companies day finally come?
1000 Flights already cancelled due to "Boeing Machinist strikes" ; real reason because of Pilot shortage.
Rumours of another 1000 uncrewed rotations in the next two months.
Has this companies day finally come?
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Re: Ryanair Pilot shortage hits crisis Point?
Hardly a surprise really, Easy is gonna be in a similar position soon, the simple fact is there are more leaving than arriving, eroded T & C's, exploitative management poilicies all add up to this situation.
I dont think its the end for RYR, moreover I think they will be a little more draconian in finding ways to get pilots working harder.
The next step will be Russian speakers on the flight deck working for a bottle of vodka and some Borsch.
I dont think its the end for RYR, moreover I think they will be a little more draconian in finding ways to get pilots working harder.
The next step will be Russian speakers on the flight deck working for a bottle of vodka and some Borsch.
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Re: Ryanair Pilot shortage hits crisis Point?
About time too. It's just a shame that those at the sharp end will have to endure a lot of pain before things get better.
Sadly, from a personal point of view, it'll take ages before the knock-on effect reaches BA (if ever), maybe it will need Emirates and Etihad to open a UK base with decent terms and conditions.
This pilot shortage has been a long time coming and the industry's agressive management now has only itself to blame.
Let's hope we can all make hay whilst the sun shines.
Sadly, from a personal point of view, it'll take ages before the knock-on effect reaches BA (if ever), maybe it will need Emirates and Etihad to open a UK base with decent terms and conditions.
This pilot shortage has been a long time coming and the industry's agressive management now has only itself to blame.
Let's hope we can all make hay whilst the sun shines.
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IMHO - This is the lo-co's own fault i'm afraid - i presume the problem here will be getting Capt's to fill the seats!! A good mate of mine flying TP's tells me that ALL the capt's he flies with would be off to the lo-co's tomorrow (in either seat!) if only they would bond them rather than pay for a (example) 737 type rating . Thus in a year or so you've got an experienced person ready to jump into the LHS and still bonded to you for a certain period of time - if these airlines had the foresight a year ago to do this rather than looking at ££ signs everywhere , they would not be in such a potential mess now!
The charter carriers still bond people which is why some top quality TP pilots are starting courses with them this very week - i can't help thinking though that a good number of these maybe would have ended up at ryr/ezy/gsm/exs etc had these carriers not insisted on these pilots paying for a rating.
Just my 2p's worth , what do the rest of you think!?
The charter carriers still bond people which is why some top quality TP pilots are starting courses with them this very week - i can't help thinking though that a good number of these maybe would have ended up at ryr/ezy/gsm/exs etc had these carriers not insisted on these pilots paying for a rating.
Just my 2p's worth , what do the rest of you think!?
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Re: Ryanair Pilot shortage hits crisis Point?
It's been expediant for airlines like sleazyJet and Ryanair to take advantage of SARS, 9/11 etc to flog this pay for the rating shyte so they found cashed-up lads/ladess's willing to part with their money, paying inflated bond schemes.
They end end up bottom heavy with low-time crew and very short of Captains. Reap what you sow.
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They end end up bottom heavy with low-time crew and very short of Captains. Reap what you sow.
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What I don't understand is why Ryanair turn away type rated people at the 1 day interviews. From my personal experience, I don't think there short because there isn't enough qualified people out there, it's because they don't want to recruit free thinking pilots, they just want mindless drones and "Yes men", the sort of people who won't fight for better T&C's.
I'm glad they turned me down, with the way things are going it's just going to get a lot worse before it gets any better in there.
S.C.
I'm glad they turned me down, with the way things are going it's just going to get a lot worse before it gets any better in there.
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Re: Ryanair Pilot shortage hits crisis Point?
There is no shortage, of any experience level...
The airline companies regularly turn away experienced crew... maybe some of you should look at what is really happenening in the the airline industry...
I have said it before and I will say it again... this industry is ******... and who is to blame? Those who devised the 'pay for a type rating therefore a job' scam... and who are 'they'... management, thats who, the sooner you lot wake up to it the better and the only way the industry can recover is for all crew, Cabin and Flight Deck to become more unionised, but therein lies the problem, the 'pay for the rating therefore a job' brigade tend to be anti union... so the whole circus continues....
If I could sell my 737 rating I would and get out of this crap industry, but its only crap because of the twats now joining it who will not stand up for themselves....
The airline companies regularly turn away experienced crew... maybe some of you should look at what is really happenening in the the airline industry...
I have said it before and I will say it again... this industry is ******... and who is to blame? Those who devised the 'pay for a type rating therefore a job' scam... and who are 'they'... management, thats who, the sooner you lot wake up to it the better and the only way the industry can recover is for all crew, Cabin and Flight Deck to become more unionised, but therein lies the problem, the 'pay for the rating therefore a job' brigade tend to be anti union... so the whole circus continues....
If I could sell my 737 rating I would and get out of this crap industry, but its only crap because of the twats now joining it who will not stand up for themselves....
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Re: Ryanair Pilot shortage hits crisis Point?
I agree there is no shortage. Waiting times in easyJet have now gone up for command. From being recommended to getting a course is over a year now.
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Re: Ryanair Pilot shortage hits crisis Point?
What's the status of the Cadet FO's waiting to complete the TR and those that have completed the TR waiting to start their line training? Are these guys being brought forward to help alleviate the shortage?
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Sorry if this is slightly off the point, but if there are so many pilot shortages at different companies, then why are there so many people on this site complaining about the lack of jobs. I am hopefully about to start my training and have nearly been put off by all these negative comments. Maybe i am missing something but it just seems curious from the perspective of someone not in the industry.
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ALL the capt's he flies with would be off to the lo-co's tomorrow (in either seat!) if only they would bond them rather than pay for a (example) 737 type rating
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I'm with Meeb. We have to stand up for our 'profession'. It's being devalued just as much by those willing to buy the job, as those companies happy to accept the product.
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Re: Ryanair Pilot shortage hits crisis Point?
Their real shortage is on training captains. Not enough people to fly, but on the other hand not enough people to train new people. Nothing really surprising, it must be very difficult to train 200 or 300 new people per year, for sure it would help if they encouraged captains with better money to become trainers. In the mean while, here I am 5 and a half months after finishing the T/R, and still waiting to start the line training.
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If you have the type rating fully stamped up in your license and the base check complete I'd start sending out applications everywhere else. I cant see how any bond etc you may have would hold true after waiting 6 months to start a job. They can't bond you for line training, since you haven't done any, and you (i presume) paid for the type rating yourself.
Good luck.
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Well Ryan Air will always be the same. People complaining and still not leaving. It is still the best job out there. Get on with your jobs lads!
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It is still the best job out there.
Get on with your jobs lads!
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It is still the best job out there,. by far.
Indeed it is!
Having been in other Airlines the money as a Captain is the best I will ever see in short haul aviation. Every night at home to see my lovely wife and Two children. 900 hours of easy but sometimes challenging work. but only 110left till end of March The standard of FO's I fly with is very high.Well maintained and new aircraft.
Love them. For those whinging i bet you work for us as well .
Indeed it is!
Having been in other Airlines the money as a Captain is the best I will ever see in short haul aviation. Every night at home to see my lovely wife and Two children. 900 hours of easy but sometimes challenging work. but only 110left till end of March The standard of FO's I fly with is very high.Well maintained and new aircraft.
Love them. For those whinging i bet you work for us as well .
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