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No, I'm sorry, I do not see why they have to recruit DECs.
Why not hire FOs? If they are so short of captains, why are captains flying together?
If it is because they want to hire FOs through TRSS to save money, well it doesn't save money to have a captain earning at least £26,000 more basic, working the radio in the RHS.
Why is my "reserve" (standby) month rostered to maximum legal and captains on reserve are on standby as intended.
EasyJet, stop talking orange boloney and honour your commitment to your staff.
Would someone smarter than me please explain..................
Why not hire FOs? If they are so short of captains, why are captains flying together?
If it is because they want to hire FOs through TRSS to save money, well it doesn't save money to have a captain earning at least £26,000 more basic, working the radio in the RHS.
Why is my "reserve" (standby) month rostered to maximum legal and captains on reserve are on standby as intended.
EasyJet, stop talking orange boloney and honour your commitment to your staff.
Would someone smarter than me please explain..................
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Whilst it is not nice for those awating commands, you can see why theyhave to recruit DEC. The company could not function with its current rate of attrition/recruitment.
Result FO/SFO's are being shafted, the company wins and there is no penalty to them. Existing copilots are losing £££.
This needs to be stopped asap.
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Unusually my idendity is obvious, but delibrately so because I am indeed one of the newly elected CC members in easyJet, and I would like to thank you for your fantastic support.
For those who are not BALPA members, I would ask you to join today. Our position is clear, we have placed on the table a pay settlement that is sustainable in the market place but also is a clear representation of the efforts made by all of our crew of the past 18 months.
There are many issues that could be resolved with a proper pay settlement. The issue of DECs may too be resolved, IF, they made easyJet an attractive airline to other pilots, but as you guys have said, with Type Rated Sponsorship Scheme (TRSS) we have alienated a group of pilots who may have been thinking of joining easyJet, and have chosen to go to T-Fly or Monarch for example. Remember without TRSS, an SFO (an FO with an ATPL) is paid 40k basic a year. That is still below par, however, I believe it would bring in a market of pilots from carriers like BACX or BMI Regional PERHAPS.
We were assured by our management that no DECs would be employed unless they are of the experience that they were hard to refuse. That would be a reasonable position, however, their words have meant very little as they have done the something else. I would welcome any pilot into easyJet, including any DECs (if they are a BALPA Member !!
) as it is clearly not their fault they have just responded to an advert. Lets all place the fault at the managements door.
What can we do - well your support on this thread for your new CC has been fantastic, and I/we appreciate it. I request that you continue your efforts to recruit new members, and make us collectively stronger, so when it comes down to it - if the ONLY course of action is Industrial, we are strong enough to hold that card. BALPA would consider Industrial Action as a failure, but equally, THIS TIME WE ALSO NEED A PROPER PAY DEAL. There is little room for compromise in a company that has recorded to the market its latest financial results, and offered huge bonuses to the top 50 managers.
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For those who are not BALPA members, I would ask you to join today. Our position is clear, we have placed on the table a pay settlement that is sustainable in the market place but also is a clear representation of the efforts made by all of our crew of the past 18 months.
There are many issues that could be resolved with a proper pay settlement. The issue of DECs may too be resolved, IF, they made easyJet an attractive airline to other pilots, but as you guys have said, with Type Rated Sponsorship Scheme (TRSS) we have alienated a group of pilots who may have been thinking of joining easyJet, and have chosen to go to T-Fly or Monarch for example. Remember without TRSS, an SFO (an FO with an ATPL) is paid 40k basic a year. That is still below par, however, I believe it would bring in a market of pilots from carriers like BACX or BMI Regional PERHAPS.
We were assured by our management that no DECs would be employed unless they are of the experience that they were hard to refuse. That would be a reasonable position, however, their words have meant very little as they have done the something else. I would welcome any pilot into easyJet, including any DECs (if they are a BALPA Member !!
) as it is clearly not their fault they have just responded to an advert. Lets all place the fault at the managements door.What can we do - well your support on this thread for your new CC has been fantastic, and I/we appreciate it. I request that you continue your efforts to recruit new members, and make us collectively stronger, so when it comes down to it - if the ONLY course of action is Industrial, we are strong enough to hold that card. BALPA would consider Industrial Action as a failure, but equally, THIS TIME WE ALSO NEED A PROPER PAY DEAL. There is little room for compromise in a company that has recorded to the market its latest financial results, and offered huge bonuses to the top 50 managers.
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I am a SFO with enough hours for my Command assessment. However, why should I stay with a company that values my committment to them so little that they want me to give up my life (and for my wife and family to give up their stable family life) for 1-2 years and be based at some unkown base after I have got my command position.
Perhaps if they treated their SFO's with some respect and let them continue to work from their current base, then maybe the attrition rate of pilots would be considerably less, and who knows, it may even cut costs too! Afterall, many pilots within the company have already uprooted their families to work from the bases they are currently at.
Can you guarantee that Balpa (have just joined) and the easy CC will be addressing this obvious reason why so many pilots are leaving, and could someone please explain why all new Captains have to work at another base? I'm sure that life for everyone, including the rostering dept, would be much easier if we can stay where we are.
Perhaps if they treated their SFO's with some respect and let them continue to work from their current base, then maybe the attrition rate of pilots would be considerably less, and who knows, it may even cut costs too! Afterall, many pilots within the company have already uprooted their families to work from the bases they are currently at.
Can you guarantee that Balpa (have just joined) and the easy CC will be addressing this obvious reason why so many pilots are leaving, and could someone please explain why all new Captains have to work at another base? I'm sure that life for everyone, including the rostering dept, would be much easier if we can stay where we are.
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Experience that is hard to refuse.
I fail to see Non Type Rated (146, B777, B757 I've flown with them all) as being hard to refuse. These guys aren't TRE/IRE or anything. They're just cutting their own deals will our spineless management.
By the way have you see Times Online this evening?
Some interesting news seems to have got out
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/ar...897994,00.html
I fail to see Non Type Rated (146, B777, B757 I've flown with them all) as being hard to refuse. These guys aren't TRE/IRE or anything. They're just cutting their own deals will our spineless management.
By the way have you see Times Online this evening?
Some interesting news seems to have got out
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/ar...897994,00.html
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Redline, in answer to your point I think I did say that the company were not acting in the way that they said they would. I am not suggesting that any of the type ratings you have mentioned are too good to turn down. We were expecting that this would be type rated TRIs perhaps or TREs indeed.
1muppet I think you are making 2 points. First of all I too am a SFO waiting for a command, getting jumped over by new entrants. I would not blame the DECs for that (and you haven't either) but I do think the company should address the issue. I thank you for joining BALPA recently and you can rest assured that we are aware of the problem, and we are dealing with it. However, these things take time, and if you visit the BALPA company BBoard you will see there is a large thread on this issue, and I hope you contribute.
Your other point is about Base Transfer policy, and to resolve the issue as you would like the simplest answer would be a seniority list, with transparency on tranfers. The company are dead against this, however, with your continued support this too is a formula that we believe we could imtroduce if it were the general will of the BALPA membership within the Company. Remember guys to have a say, quite simply you have to join BALPA, and if you decide against a proposal thats fine it will be your right.
Redline, thanks for the Timesonline article, I hadn't seen it but I have now. I didn't release it, and I hope we never find out who did - whether it proves helpful or not - only time will tell.
1muppet I think you are making 2 points. First of all I too am a SFO waiting for a command, getting jumped over by new entrants. I would not blame the DECs for that (and you haven't either) but I do think the company should address the issue. I thank you for joining BALPA recently and you can rest assured that we are aware of the problem, and we are dealing with it. However, these things take time, and if you visit the BALPA company BBoard you will see there is a large thread on this issue, and I hope you contribute.
Your other point is about Base Transfer policy, and to resolve the issue as you would like the simplest answer would be a seniority list, with transparency on tranfers. The company are dead against this, however, with your continued support this too is a formula that we believe we could imtroduce if it were the general will of the BALPA membership within the Company. Remember guys to have a say, quite simply you have to join BALPA, and if you decide against a proposal thats fine it will be your right.
Redline, thanks for the Timesonline article, I hadn't seen it but I have now. I didn't release it, and I hope we never find out who did - whether it proves helpful or not - only time will tell.
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Simon - thank you for your excellent and balanced contribution to the debate. It can be clearly seen the value that BALPA is bringing to the discussion and the absolute necessity of being a member in the current climate.
Regarding the issue of DECs (I was once one of them!), there is no issue when there are no FOs to promote which was the case when I joined. That is absolutely not the case now and is unlikely to be again unless virtually every FO in easyJet resigns. These guys are amassing hours at an enormous rate and become eligible for command very quickly.
I do, however, wish to challenge BALPA to close this loophole very quickly. We must be totally clear about this - there is simply no such thing as someone who is 'too good to turn down'. Are these people astronauts, brain surgeons, theoretical physicists as well as being the most talented pilots on the planet or what?
We should not, for a single minute, accept the argument that we need DECs for TREs, TRIs etc. We have literally hundreds of Airbus captains at easyJet, many of whom would make excellent Trainers. Training jobs are never advertised and the company has a clear responsibility to 'home grow' its own trainers. Only after internal advertising has failed to produce suitable candidates can pilot jobs be offered externally. Every single case should be subject to agreement with the union and only then should it be agreed to go externally. BALPA will never stand in the way of a genuine requirement. The company has proven itself complete untrustworthy over the issue of DECs and there must be an independent verification of the genuine need before such positions can be agreed.
I am acutely aware that right now BALPA is having to fight multiple battles on all fronts and I am 100% in support of their efforts. However, they must not give in over this issue. DECs must become a thing of the past unless every single case is agreed with the union first. The prime job of BALPA is to protect the interests of its members - half of which will be FOs. No FO at easyJet should ever be disadvantaged at the expense of an external candidate. This is an absolute at every decent airline in the world and it must become an absolute here.
Regarding the issue of DECs (I was once one of them!), there is no issue when there are no FOs to promote which was the case when I joined. That is absolutely not the case now and is unlikely to be again unless virtually every FO in easyJet resigns. These guys are amassing hours at an enormous rate and become eligible for command very quickly.
I do, however, wish to challenge BALPA to close this loophole very quickly. We must be totally clear about this - there is simply no such thing as someone who is 'too good to turn down'. Are these people astronauts, brain surgeons, theoretical physicists as well as being the most talented pilots on the planet or what?
We should not, for a single minute, accept the argument that we need DECs for TREs, TRIs etc. We have literally hundreds of Airbus captains at easyJet, many of whom would make excellent Trainers. Training jobs are never advertised and the company has a clear responsibility to 'home grow' its own trainers. Only after internal advertising has failed to produce suitable candidates can pilot jobs be offered externally. Every single case should be subject to agreement with the union and only then should it be agreed to go externally. BALPA will never stand in the way of a genuine requirement. The company has proven itself complete untrustworthy over the issue of DECs and there must be an independent verification of the genuine need before such positions can be agreed.
I am acutely aware that right now BALPA is having to fight multiple battles on all fronts and I am 100% in support of their efforts. However, they must not give in over this issue. DECs must become a thing of the past unless every single case is agreed with the union first. The prime job of BALPA is to protect the interests of its members - half of which will be FOs. No FO at easyJet should ever be disadvantaged at the expense of an external candidate. This is an absolute at every decent airline in the world and it must become an absolute here.
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100% please
Not sure how you work outside CAP371 would you like to explain?. Has EZY moved to CAP371 yet ref rolling duty hrs?.
20 days leave yes, but also 130+ days off (of which many are spent recovering from 5 earlies before anyone tells me again)
NSF you should be running this country not flying an aeroplane, i'd vote for you - occasionally taking the airline view with balanced statements, but mostly with sensible words that cannot be argued
Not sure how you work outside CAP371 would you like to explain?. Has EZY moved to CAP371 yet ref rolling duty hrs?.
20 days leave yes, but also 130+ days off (of which many are spent recovering from 5 earlies before anyone tells me again)
NSF you should be running this country not flying an aeroplane, i'd vote for you - occasionally taking the airline view with balanced statements, but mostly with sensible words that cannot be argued
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NSF, I completely support your arguments - so much so in fact that I have printed them and have them in my bag with various other very sensible opinions to take to the table tomorrow morning. I believe your position is BALPA's position and I think that the whole issue does need resolving quickly.
Thanks again
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easyJet plc
Director/PDMRs shareholdings
1 December 2005
easyJet plc announces that the following director and PDMRs have today been awarded the following Performance Shares under the easyJet Long Term Incentive Plan (LTIP):
Jeff Carr 75,758
Mike Campbell 60,607
Saad Hammad 72,728
Toby Nicol 37,491
Liz Savage 37,491
John Stephenson 39,394
Mike Szucs 73,334
John Thorp 39,394
In accordance with the Rules of the LTIP, these awards will vest in three years subject to the satisfaction of Return on Equity targets measured by reference to a three year performance period.
END
This from the London Stock Exchange website where there were a couple of other director sales and allocations today, more to come no doubt. Such good timing considering current circumstances.
Funny, that on the day of RWs departure the share price goes up 12 pence dispite The Times having been slipped a copy of Mikes building society memo !
Director/PDMRs shareholdings
1 December 2005
easyJet plc announces that the following director and PDMRs have today been awarded the following Performance Shares under the easyJet Long Term Incentive Plan (LTIP):
Jeff Carr 75,758
Mike Campbell 60,607
Saad Hammad 72,728
Toby Nicol 37,491
Liz Savage 37,491
John Stephenson 39,394
Mike Szucs 73,334
John Thorp 39,394
In accordance with the Rules of the LTIP, these awards will vest in three years subject to the satisfaction of Return on Equity targets measured by reference to a three year performance period.
END
This from the London Stock Exchange website where there were a couple of other director sales and allocations today, more to come no doubt. Such good timing considering current circumstances.
Funny, that on the day of RWs departure the share price goes up 12 pence dispite The Times having been slipped a copy of Mikes building society memo !
This also on the city wires for those of you interested in just how tough it is has been in Easy land.
Amir Eilon 30 Nov 05
Exercise of options 500,000 bought @ 161.12 cost £806,000
Sale of said options(same day) 500,000 @ 330.16p proceeds £1.65million.
I will let you do the maths to see what ended up being trousered!
Amir Eilon 30 Nov 05
Exercise of options 500,000 bought @ 161.12 cost £806,000
Sale of said options(same day) 500,000 @ 330.16p proceeds £1.65million.
I will let you do the maths to see what ended up being trousered!
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A wise Kiwi based at my previous base said rewarding managers with share options makes them gready,mean and unsympathetic. It also does not encourage long term loyalty. So for the next 3 years the management will be geared for optimizing shareholders value. Beyond that hey who gives a ...Take the profit and run. 
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The CC Meeting yesterday was not with the company, however, it was very productive and a newsletter with the result will be in the post in the next few days. It would be wrong of me to comment on it till you have it in the public domain.
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I just love the easyjet adverts on pprune.
" Unique open no blame culture " blah blah blah.
Yet we recieve e-mails from our ID department with the following threats;
Failing to comply will result in:
Immediate suspension from the roster.
Individual to provide a statement explaining their reasons.
Line Manager to conduct an investigation.
An ID will be issued and distributed upon production of a valid CRC to the ID Dept.
The event will be documented and remain on file for the validity of new pass.
" Unique open no blame culture " blah blah blah.
Yet we recieve e-mails from our ID department with the following threats;
Failing to comply will result in:
Immediate suspension from the roster.
Individual to provide a statement explaining their reasons.
Line Manager to conduct an investigation.
An ID will be issued and distributed upon production of a valid CRC to the ID Dept.
The event will be documented and remain on file for the validity of new pass.
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Don't forget we have been to Stage 3 of the industrial process before (nearly 3 years ago) but were let down (at the 11th hour really) by membership numbers.
This time, if Mr Harrison is up for it, we will have a pretty full team on the park so things will be a little bit different.
Can't wait!!
This time, if Mr Harrison is up for it, we will have a pretty full team on the park so things will be a little bit different.
Can't wait!!
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Flaps One is right, it is a different ball game now. To summarise our position:
The recruiting market is hot for experienced pilots;
Pilots are leaving easyJet in droves, over 122 this year so far; 280 in three years;
35 new aircraft in 2006;
Our terms and conditions are well behind our competitors;
The price of oil is sliding even despite the winter upon us;
The company made loads of profits;
Productivity is at an all-time high;
We have been massiveley undercrewed all summer;
Management bonuses just announced are obscene;
And finally, we deserve a payrise!! The company says they can't afford it, we know they are lying (again!!)
That is why we have added 100 members recently, another 100 new members and we tell them what WE want!!!
Have a great Christmas. Remember, RW said it is important to keep our investors happy, I say WE deserve to be happy so pay up or else!!!
The recruiting market is hot for experienced pilots;
Pilots are leaving easyJet in droves, over 122 this year so far; 280 in three years;
35 new aircraft in 2006;
Our terms and conditions are well behind our competitors;
The price of oil is sliding even despite the winter upon us;
The company made loads of profits;
Productivity is at an all-time high;
We have been massiveley undercrewed all summer;
Management bonuses just announced are obscene;
And finally, we deserve a payrise!! The company says they can't afford it, we know they are lying (again!!)
That is why we have added 100 members recently, another 100 new members and we tell them what WE want!!!
Have a great Christmas. Remember, RW said it is important to keep our investors happy, I say WE deserve to be happy so pay up or else!!!