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The letter from MS is a shameful attempt to convince us that the tiniest increase is a fitting reward for the sacrifices we make in our contribution towards making eJ a huge success.
The way eJ treats all it's staff is an absolute outrage.
With 100's of millions of pounds in cash in the bank they are simply disgusting greedy duplicitous swine.
The way eJ treats all it's staff is an absolute outrage.
With 100's of millions of pounds in cash in the bank they are simply disgusting greedy duplicitous swine.
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Correct me if Im wrong here, but is it not true that the 2.1(?) % in "pay raise" could effectively be over 42 (!!!!!) months for some people??? Lets say you had £ xxxx in april-ish 2003. You sat on that pay until the "pay talks" that were in spring (?) 2004. Then it was decided that a pay freeze would be imposed for 18 months...Correct so far?? Now the company is offering 2.1 % over the next year...Right? This gives you 2.1 % over 42 months....Yea? So, regardless of your base, how much was inflation for the past 30 months?? What will it be over the coming 12?? What happened to costs of living in the past 30 months?? (London!!!)What will be the case in 12 months??
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What confuses me more about Fat Mikes letter, is the fact that EZY are making nearly £4 less per seat/pax than the Ryans, I, obviously with my cynical view of the situation would be inclined to say that there are way too many people in the office with no real purpouse just milking the system and spending the day drinking Lattes in the "Orangerie"...
If EZY need help in understanding why their cost base is so much higher then O'learys then they should stop spending lots on parties to celebrate this and that...just pretending to be a friendly airline, that values its staff...
No one in Lalaland has received the letter the Cockpit crews received last week...mmmhhh wonder why??
Its time to wake up, park brakes will be set to park before too long...
If EZY need help in understanding why their cost base is so much higher then O'learys then they should stop spending lots on parties to celebrate this and that...just pretending to be a friendly airline, that values its staff...
No one in Lalaland has received the letter the Cockpit crews received last week...mmmhhh wonder why??
Its time to wake up, park brakes will be set to park before too long...
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Well here I am another new BALPA member - I've always been a non believer and would never have joined if we were being offered a fair deal. This isn't a fair deal so there really is little choice to make but to join.
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Do you think there will be one more aircraft in the London bases if pay there is lets say 5% more than de regional bases and 20% more than the european bases? We will see ORY guys flying ORY-NCE/ NCE-LGW-NCE/NCE-ORY, same for TLS, LIN,... SXf guys will do the LTN-AGP, MAD, BCN,... Scottish based crews will operate through STN and so on... And if the LODON based fo's want a command they can transfer to the base of their choice at the local salary of course... So if you accept the different salaries dont forget to ask a descent staff travel in return!
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NEVER !
NEVER ACCEPT DIFFERENT SALARIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope the CC will never accept that as it would be the open door to any paycut at any time for any obscure reason.
We get paid for the job we do and the responsabilities we have, NOT for the place where we live!!!!!!
So Mike S. STOP bullsh...ting us with your numbers, if we realy are making 4 pounds per seat less than ryan, then it's time to reduce the managers pay for their poor work and gestion of this company. because we are working as hard as ryanair pilots and their salaries are even higher than ours!!!
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I hope the CC will never accept that as it would be the open door to any paycut at any time for any obscure reason.
We get paid for the job we do and the responsabilities we have, NOT for the place where we live!!!!!!
So Mike S. STOP bullsh...ting us with your numbers, if we realy are making 4 pounds per seat less than ryan, then it's time to reduce the managers pay for their poor work and gestion of this company. because we are working as hard as ryanair pilots and their salaries are even higher than ours!!!
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Maybe Easy should take JAL as an example of costcutting. It said in last weeks flight int. that JAL is planning on cutting the basic salary of middle-managers by 10% and a 23% to 40% cut of board members (I won't mention the planned 8% cut of 'regular staff's basic salary, i.e. pilots).
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Have just read the email, i don't think i've read such an offensive piece of **** in my life. Pretty much says "i'm incompetent so you're going to pay for it"
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The comparison with BA on per seat profit margins is also incorrect. We are comparable with BA Shorthaul who infact operate at a loss. It is only the BA longhaul operation that makes a profit and therefore raises their per seat profit magin well above ours. On a like for like basis that means we are considerably more profitable than BA on shorthaul operations, and not as the e-mail suggests making only a fraction of their profit per seat.
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It is frankly difficult to second guess what was in our managers' minds as it is difficult to imagine a more foolish way of approaching the negotiations. They have openly insulted the pilot community and the genie is now well and truly out of the bottle!
As I write there is a huge groundswell of support for BALPA that simply was not there in the past. It is widely recognised that we are facing a huge threat to our futures - not from Ryanair or foreign competition but from our own managers! In the past there was little or no appetite for a fight, but that is no longer the case. Had the company come up with any semi-respectable offer on pensions, a pay offer in line with inflation and no attack on the loyalty bonus then I think most people would have muttered under their breath but done nothing. Instead the whole pilot community is galvanised into action and BALPA is seeing significant growth through people who previously would not have darkened the door of the union (I was one of them!).
A key factor for many people has been the tremendous work of the new CC, which is being seen to act vigorously and fairly in the interests of all pilots and not just a few. I can only say how personally impressed I have been by our BALPA team who have worked tirelessly in the face of an almost embarrassing indifference towards their representations from our management.
If there are any managers out there reading this - for goodness sake pull back from the brink and come up with a sensible set of proposals that do not insult your entire pilot workforce. You have fanned into flame an unnecessary conflict that none of us wanted. We are here to make easyJet succeed and want to work with you to ensure its success for shareholders and employees alike. Nonetheless, we will not stand idly by while our future livelihoods are threatened. There is no way we will sit back and watch easyJet record a big annual profit, top managers and board members line their own pockets but we are told to take a pay cut - not now and not ever. We simply cannot afford to lose this battle however much we would rather not have it. All of our best interests are served by you getting real and coming up with a credible offer which would prevent the inevitable conflict unfolding before us.
As I write there is a huge groundswell of support for BALPA that simply was not there in the past. It is widely recognised that we are facing a huge threat to our futures - not from Ryanair or foreign competition but from our own managers! In the past there was little or no appetite for a fight, but that is no longer the case. Had the company come up with any semi-respectable offer on pensions, a pay offer in line with inflation and no attack on the loyalty bonus then I think most people would have muttered under their breath but done nothing. Instead the whole pilot community is galvanised into action and BALPA is seeing significant growth through people who previously would not have darkened the door of the union (I was one of them!).
A key factor for many people has been the tremendous work of the new CC, which is being seen to act vigorously and fairly in the interests of all pilots and not just a few. I can only say how personally impressed I have been by our BALPA team who have worked tirelessly in the face of an almost embarrassing indifference towards their representations from our management.
If there are any managers out there reading this - for goodness sake pull back from the brink and come up with a sensible set of proposals that do not insult your entire pilot workforce. You have fanned into flame an unnecessary conflict that none of us wanted. We are here to make easyJet succeed and want to work with you to ensure its success for shareholders and employees alike. Nonetheless, we will not stand idly by while our future livelihoods are threatened. There is no way we will sit back and watch easyJet record a big annual profit, top managers and board members line their own pockets but we are told to take a pay cut - not now and not ever. We simply cannot afford to lose this battle however much we would rather not have it. All of our best interests are served by you getting real and coming up with a credible offer which would prevent the inevitable conflict unfolding before us.
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I've been very anti BALPA in the past for various reasons . . . . .
But I've filled out the application form today.
We need to show these turds that we are a united front.
I implore the rest of you to do the same.
But I've filled out the application form today.
We need to show these turds that we are a united front.
I implore the rest of you to do the same.
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Written by Norman Stanley Fletcher:
Call me paranoid, but I feel that there is something fishy about all this.
Mike´s email is written in such a clumsy way and so badly timed that there MUST be more behind it.
Is management steering toward a conflict with the pilot corps in order to divert attention from other issues like disappointing profit due to incompetence at management level?
Do they want to reduce growth and is this a way of ´laying off´ pilots? ?
Have they finally realized that a strong pilot corps is actually benificial to the company?
Are those management pilots so far removed from reality that they completely underestimated the situation?
I´m puzzled.
But in the mean time I will continue to recruit more members for BALPA! Let´s aim for 100%!!
It is frankly difficult to second guess what was in our managers' minds as it is difficult to imagine a more foolish way of approaching the negotiations.
Mike´s email is written in such a clumsy way and so badly timed that there MUST be more behind it.
Is management steering toward a conflict with the pilot corps in order to divert attention from other issues like disappointing profit due to incompetence at management level?
Do they want to reduce growth and is this a way of ´laying off´ pilots? ?
Have they finally realized that a strong pilot corps is actually benificial to the company?
Are those management pilots so far removed from reality that they completely underestimated the situation?
I´m puzzled.
But in the mean time I will continue to recruit more members for BALPA! Let´s aim for 100%!!
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The e-mail from MS only goes to prove just how incompetent the whole management team are. Perhaps if they spent less time at parties that only office staff can go to and actually did their jobs, then there wouldn't be such an appalling waste of money.
All year we have had pilots being shipped from one airport to another via taxi, sometimes covering hundreds of miles, turning up to do a flight only to find that the other pilot has also covered the same distance in a seperate taxi. How cost effective is that and who can't sort out the rosters properly to ensure the most efficient use of man power?
We also have the wonderful easyjet birthday book and pen, how much has that cost to send to every employee, let alone to produce.
As for the Step Change programme designed to help save money - why for goodness sake do we need a glossy 31 page booklet and a team of 16 people to tell pilots to use less fuel and not use the printer to print off the relevant info they need from their disc manuals because we need to save paper and cabin staff to empty toilet bins themselves. Surely the most immediate savings can be made by axing this whole team and drastically reducing the numbers of unproductive office staff in Lalaland.
As always it is the pilots and cabin staff that get the raw deal. Will the managers still get their bonus despite the totally incompetant way the company has been run - of course they will, but at the expense of those who have actually done the work and made the public happy.
Haven't been with the company very long, have now joined Balpa in the hope that if they get as much backing as possible then the company will take things a little more seriously. Will be dusting off the CV pretty soon as what incentive is there for me to stay and get my captaincy. What a joke - be loyal and stay with the company, try to work your way up the ladder and what do you get - a command but for 6 months at another base (Europe) and they keep 10% of your salary! My other half will certainly want me to do that - NOT.
All year we have had pilots being shipped from one airport to another via taxi, sometimes covering hundreds of miles, turning up to do a flight only to find that the other pilot has also covered the same distance in a seperate taxi. How cost effective is that and who can't sort out the rosters properly to ensure the most efficient use of man power?
We also have the wonderful easyjet birthday book and pen, how much has that cost to send to every employee, let alone to produce.
As for the Step Change programme designed to help save money - why for goodness sake do we need a glossy 31 page booklet and a team of 16 people to tell pilots to use less fuel and not use the printer to print off the relevant info they need from their disc manuals because we need to save paper and cabin staff to empty toilet bins themselves. Surely the most immediate savings can be made by axing this whole team and drastically reducing the numbers of unproductive office staff in Lalaland.
As always it is the pilots and cabin staff that get the raw deal. Will the managers still get their bonus despite the totally incompetant way the company has been run - of course they will, but at the expense of those who have actually done the work and made the public happy.
Haven't been with the company very long, have now joined Balpa in the hope that if they get as much backing as possible then the company will take things a little more seriously. Will be dusting off the CV pretty soon as what incentive is there for me to stay and get my captaincy. What a joke - be loyal and stay with the company, try to work your way up the ladder and what do you get - a command but for 6 months at another base (Europe) and they keep 10% of your salary! My other half will certainly want me to do that - NOT.
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the e-mail lets the managers move on to a classic ploy.
ooops you're right. The offer was what we thought we could afford but we agree the contibution the flight crew have made as a whole is worthy of an additional exceptional increase........
so they add a little to their offer and everybody thinks we've won - except it's basically what they bargained on all along.
i've done it before, no reason to think they won't...
ooops you're right. The offer was what we thought we could afford but we agree the contibution the flight crew have made as a whole is worthy of an additional exceptional increase........
so they add a little to their offer and everybody thinks we've won - except it's basically what they bargained on all along.
i've done it before, no reason to think they won't...
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I personally think Dawn raider is right.
We are looking at one of these degredations the company sticking to, adamantley or no other deals. I should imagine it will be crew food. I don't know the ins and outs perhaps one of the ex-GO could inform us but it came down to taking a pay cut in order to have crew food, and now they want to put this into our pensions....
I think this is the slippery slope and I hope the fairies realised that this has actually for once brought the pilot workforce together behind BALPA. I for one dont want to strike and we would need, I should say, 80% BALPA membership but if comes down to it I most certainly would. We have no reason to expect lower T&C's other than Ryanair are doing it, so easyJet think we should..instead of scrapping all the Step Change Ambassador's, 10 Year books full of '..I love easyJet..' and 2 hour meetings about meetings in the Orangerie....I will scrap crew food, if they get rid of the cafe in easyLand...see how well that goes down...
At least everyone seems to be doing the best and joining the BALPA. I have every faith the CC will do their best this time, lets see what happens. If it is no better, see you later guys..I am off..
We are looking at one of these degredations the company sticking to, adamantley or no other deals. I should imagine it will be crew food. I don't know the ins and outs perhaps one of the ex-GO could inform us but it came down to taking a pay cut in order to have crew food, and now they want to put this into our pensions....
I think this is the slippery slope and I hope the fairies realised that this has actually for once brought the pilot workforce together behind BALPA. I for one dont want to strike and we would need, I should say, 80% BALPA membership but if comes down to it I most certainly would. We have no reason to expect lower T&C's other than Ryanair are doing it, so easyJet think we should..instead of scrapping all the Step Change Ambassador's, 10 Year books full of '..I love easyJet..' and 2 hour meetings about meetings in the Orangerie....I will scrap crew food, if they get rid of the cafe in easyLand...see how well that goes down...
At least everyone seems to be doing the best and joining the BALPA. I have every faith the CC will do their best this time, lets see what happens. If it is no better, see you later guys..I am off..
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Guys Dawn raider has got this spot on !!
It's so obviously a management ploy if this wasn't such an important issue to all of us it would be funny. Don't listen to any scare tactics about jobs at risk, another ploy to scare us into accepting a pitiful increase. They offer such a low offer that when we get 3.4% and keep crew food everyone thinks job done.
They took the same stance over 5-2-5-4, accept it cos we have to other wise it's random rostering.
Why don't the CC make a proposal to the Management thats as far over the top as the management offer is low. We can then meet in the middle.
8 % increase in pilot productivity, where's the payback ???
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It's so obviously a management ploy if this wasn't such an important issue to all of us it would be funny. Don't listen to any scare tactics about jobs at risk, another ploy to scare us into accepting a pitiful increase. They offer such a low offer that when we get 3.4% and keep crew food everyone thinks job done.
They took the same stance over 5-2-5-4, accept it cos we have to other wise it's random rostering.
Why don't the CC make a proposal to the Management thats as far over the top as the management offer is low. We can then meet in the middle.
8 % increase in pilot productivity, where's the payback ???
Keep the momentum JOIN BALPA !!!
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I have a question.
Been told that the pilots pay for crew food as of the deal when Go/easy merged.
So if we give it up for 2% pension ... does the crew food go as well??
Now a BALPA member ....... so show us what you can do.
3% is not the aim.........
Incremental Pay
Pay Rise
Medical Health
FO's not treated as second class citizens
Removal of 5254
More leave
Pension
You will have the backing .... show your teeth.
Been told that the pilots pay for crew food as of the deal when Go/easy merged.
So if we give it up for 2% pension ... does the crew food go as well??
Now a BALPA member ....... so show us what you can do.
3% is not the aim.........
Incremental Pay
Pay Rise
Medical Health
FO's not treated as second class citizens
Removal of 5254
More leave
Pension
You will have the backing .... show your teeth.
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It's all very well saying we are not happy but don't we need to think about what we actually want to achieve from these negotiations.
Here are my thoughts/ideas……………………….
Basic Salary
I think we should start by dividing the salaries from the best paying airlines with the number of hours they work and coming up with an hourly rate. Then multiplying this to our 900hrs a year. I'm sure this would make for an interesting exercise!
Generally our salaries for both Capt/FO are on a par with the least senior of these positions in other airlines (eg T/fly, BA, Virgin, Monarch) and we work more hours! We need either a substantial pay rise, eg 25%, or say 5% with the introduction of an incremental scale where Capt after 20years can expect to earn around 100k basic (a very senior BA long haul FO can earn around this)
Sector Pay – Is not too bad as it is, just an inflationary rise.
Pension – Increased to15% of basic
Roster – 5/4 5/4. Or something similar.
Leave – 35 days
Medical Health Care - introduced
Fortunately I’m still relatively young (some will no doubt say naïve!). However, I don’t really want to leave easyjet but unless we can get the company to deliver something like the above, I will go and work for an airline that will, Virgin for example.
What do you chaps think?
Here are my thoughts/ideas……………………….
Basic Salary
I think we should start by dividing the salaries from the best paying airlines with the number of hours they work and coming up with an hourly rate. Then multiplying this to our 900hrs a year. I'm sure this would make for an interesting exercise!
Generally our salaries for both Capt/FO are on a par with the least senior of these positions in other airlines (eg T/fly, BA, Virgin, Monarch) and we work more hours! We need either a substantial pay rise, eg 25%, or say 5% with the introduction of an incremental scale where Capt after 20years can expect to earn around 100k basic (a very senior BA long haul FO can earn around this)
Sector Pay – Is not too bad as it is, just an inflationary rise.
Pension – Increased to15% of basic
Roster – 5/4 5/4. Or something similar.
Leave – 35 days
Medical Health Care - introduced
Fortunately I’m still relatively young (some will no doubt say naïve!). However, I don’t really want to leave easyjet but unless we can get the company to deliver something like the above, I will go and work for an airline that will, Virgin for example.
What do you chaps think?