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Autobrake3 - Escorted off the premises??!!!
I wonder if they will put that in their next silly 20 year book. Sometimes I wonder if they put something in their Orange-Ade over in easyLand that makes them all appear such shiney happy people. What an unbelievable way to treat people who have become inconvenient through no fault of their own.
(Sort of like Boxer being sent to the knackers yard in Animal Farm)
I wonder if they will put that in their next silly 20 year book. Sometimes I wonder if they put something in their Orange-Ade over in easyLand that makes them all appear such shiney happy people. What an unbelievable way to treat people who have become inconvenient through no fault of their own.
(Sort of like Boxer being sent to the knackers yard in Animal Farm)
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Those poor people being made redundant are just a part of RW's cynical brinkmanship. The next thing they will say to the CC is 'How can we give you pay rises when we are laying people off in easyland'
Dirty mind games from experts in the field.
Dirty mind games from experts in the field.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Join BALPA now without delay. Whatever you may have thought about BALPA in the past, join if only just until the pay negotiations are completed and then re assess the situation.
This is a great opportunity to improve our ghastly terms and conditions and is the only way our pathetic management will listen. Membership levels are increasing at a rate of knots and there is a sense of unity amongst the pilot workforce at Easy, the likes of which have not previously been witnessed.
Lets keep the momentum, if you know of anyone dragging their heels, now is the time to convince them. We have a superb CC in place and this time they will not accept a crap deal from an organistaion that pleads poverty, having just announced a 68 Million pound profit !
This is a great opportunity to improve our ghastly terms and conditions and is the only way our pathetic management will listen. Membership levels are increasing at a rate of knots and there is a sense of unity amongst the pilot workforce at Easy, the likes of which have not previously been witnessed.
Lets keep the momentum, if you know of anyone dragging their heels, now is the time to convince them. We have a superb CC in place and this time they will not accept a crap deal from an organistaion that pleads poverty, having just announced a 68 Million pound profit !
And to all SFO's... If you are nearing command, or you have passed command and are on the eternal list waiting for a course, or you are hoping to get back to your base in less than 2 years...
There is strong evidence that easy are looking to recruit DEC's.
BALPA will do everything they can to stop this, but this is only possible with support.
There is strong evidence that easy are looking to recruit DEC's.
BALPA will do everything they can to stop this, but this is only possible with support.
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Well, for several weekends recently it has been reported that CTC are doing DEC assessments in the sim at LTN. The Company assured us this would not happen especially in light of the near 100 or so SFO's waiting for a Command course date.
If this is true, it is yet another example that words like "loyalty", "defined career path" and "looking after one's own" have no place at easyJet.
I also heard recently that at an easyJet recruitment day, only 5 of the 9 prospective pilots turned up, and only two of them were suitable. The hours required to join has slipped for 1500 to 500. Wonder why, when other airlines like BA and Virgin have applications up to their eyeballs. Just maybe the word has got around, at long last, what poor management we have and what a sh!!te place it is to work!!
If this is true, it is yet another example that words like "loyalty", "defined career path" and "looking after one's own" have no place at easyJet.
I also heard recently that at an easyJet recruitment day, only 5 of the 9 prospective pilots turned up, and only two of them were suitable. The hours required to join has slipped for 1500 to 500. Wonder why, when other airlines like BA and Virgin have applications up to their eyeballs. Just maybe the word has got around, at long last, what poor management we have and what a sh!!te place it is to work!!
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Day after day I arrive at work and see young men (and women) dead on their feet, clinging to a dream. This piece of c**p company feeds them with kiss in the ear propoganda.
Klink, I know your close enough to the action to not be a bulls**tter.
If this d*gs*it company is recruiting DEC's again, well they deserve nothing less than what they have coming.
easyJet is f****d without pilots. Witless drones that can sit in the office and sing ''Onward Orange Soldiers'' are two a penny.
Without the people that have the passion to mortgage their lives for 50 to 100 grand for the opportunity to steer the silver bird through the night, any airline, not just eJ, is finished.
Curse your blood Webster, and all your spineless sycophants.
Klink, I know your close enough to the action to not be a bulls**tter.
If this d*gs*it company is recruiting DEC's again, well they deserve nothing less than what they have coming.
easyJet is f****d without pilots. Witless drones that can sit in the office and sing ''Onward Orange Soldiers'' are two a penny.
Without the people that have the passion to mortgage their lives for 50 to 100 grand for the opportunity to steer the silver bird through the night, any airline, not just eJ, is finished.
Curse your blood Webster, and all your spineless sycophants.
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Hourly rate 737 pilots up 20% in one year...
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/37e4e9f0-5f...0abe49a01.html
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/37e4e9f0-5f...0abe49a01.html
Wings 737,
I am pleased to hear that you have decided to join BALPA. It is only through a united front that we will be able to fight the continual errosion of out terms and conditions. Unless we stand firm we can expect a future of below industry standard pay, fatiguing rosters, dual basing and DECs with little scope for internal promotion. If anybody reading this is considering accepting a DEC at easyJet, you are not welcome
For any pilots wanting to join BALPA here is a link to the online application form.
I am pleased to hear that you have decided to join BALPA. It is only through a united front that we will be able to fight the continual errosion of out terms and conditions. Unless we stand firm we can expect a future of below industry standard pay, fatiguing rosters, dual basing and DECs with little scope for internal promotion. If anybody reading this is considering accepting a DEC at easyJet, you are not welcome
For any pilots wanting to join BALPA here is a link to the online application form.
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@10002level
to be fair, you can not shout out to pilots (DEC applicants) to be not welcome! They are legally seeking for a job and do not know what PT has promised!
It is the company which is totally responsible for this happening! So we shall focus on the company management!
The "EZY continent pilots" should have especially interest to support BALPA/CC, because management is even looking for cutting/freezing their salaries! Is that "orange culture"?
So, guys, from mainland Europe, get awake, join BALPA!
to be fair, you can not shout out to pilots (DEC applicants) to be not welcome! They are legally seeking for a job and do not know what PT has promised!
It is the company which is totally responsible for this happening! So we shall focus on the company management!
The "EZY continent pilots" should have especially interest to support BALPA/CC, because management is even looking for cutting/freezing their salaries! Is that "orange culture"?
So, guys, from mainland Europe, get awake, join BALPA!
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I flew last month with a new captain, hired three month ago, DEC from airberlin, and he wasn't Airbus rated!!! He is based in SXF.
I am already looking for a new job, this company is fu..ing ridiculous.
Happy jobhunting everybody!!!
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flywin,
once the lower salary on the continent is accepted you will have a command there soon, flying through the UK but starting and finishing your duty on the mainland. The next step will be an even more eastern european base with an even lower salary and maybe not G registered aircrafts
once the lower salary on the continent is accepted you will have a command there soon, flying through the UK but starting and finishing your duty on the mainland. The next step will be an even more eastern european base with an even lower salary and maybe not G registered aircrafts
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I was just wondering about the maths of all this:
1. Are you undercrewed?
2. how long it would take to upgrade all the SFO's on their prefferd type to their preferred base.
3. How long would it take to replace those SFOs'.
4. At what rate are the aircraft coming/being replaced.
5. How many crews per a/c.
Whilst i amy be devils advocate sometimes things are that way.
I was at the wrong end of DEC whilst suitable for upgrade not once, but TWICE.
1. Are you undercrewed?
2. how long it would take to upgrade all the SFO's on their prefferd type to their preferred base.
3. How long would it take to replace those SFOs'.
4. At what rate are the aircraft coming/being replaced.
5. How many crews per a/c.
Whilst i amy be devils advocate sometimes things are that way.
I was at the wrong end of DEC whilst suitable for upgrade not once, but TWICE.
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EZY management started an interesting tactical approach!
By letting the majority of pilots (based in UK) know, that there could be a possibility to have a pay increase for UK Pilots, if only the "continent pilots" will not participate at a payincrease!
This is from my point of view an attempt to split up the pilot community, therefore making the CC position for negotiatoins less powerfull!
The "continent pilots" never "hunted" for a british contract, (indeed they never had a choice) because of the concerned problems of health insurance or social insurance not paid into the german social system (NI).
I do hope, that the EZY pilot community will not jump on the trap of MS!
By letting the majority of pilots (based in UK) know, that there could be a possibility to have a pay increase for UK Pilots, if only the "continent pilots" will not participate at a payincrease!
This is from my point of view an attempt to split up the pilot community, therefore making the CC position for negotiatoins less powerfull!
The "continent pilots" never "hunted" for a british contract, (indeed they never had a choice) because of the concerned problems of health insurance or social insurance not paid into the german social system (NI).
I do hope, that the EZY pilot community will not jump on the trap of MS!
1. Are you undercrewed?
Yes. We have a shortage of both seats, but in particular FO's. So many flights are flown with a Capt in the RHS.
2. how long it would take to upgrade all the SFO's on their prefferd type to their preferred base.
80 waiting, maybe 12 a month? It takes 1-2 years to get back to base (unless you are at LGW).
3. How long would it take to replace those SFOs'.
eJ are having real trouble recruiting and keeping FO's. A post 3/03 SFO earns Ģ35k with no increment. The only potential joiners now are the TP guys who fail to get a job anywhere else. Our conditions are right at the bottom of the pile (and an FO earns less again). So it could take forever.
4. At what rate are the aircraft coming/being replaced.
Adding 1.1 a month.
5. How many crews per a/c.
5.3 across the network. Luckily we only get 20 days holiday and work well outside CAP371!!
Yes. We have a shortage of both seats, but in particular FO's. So many flights are flown with a Capt in the RHS.
2. how long it would take to upgrade all the SFO's on their prefferd type to their preferred base.
80 waiting, maybe 12 a month? It takes 1-2 years to get back to base (unless you are at LGW).
3. How long would it take to replace those SFOs'.
eJ are having real trouble recruiting and keeping FO's. A post 3/03 SFO earns Ģ35k with no increment. The only potential joiners now are the TP guys who fail to get a job anywhere else. Our conditions are right at the bottom of the pile (and an FO earns less again). So it could take forever.
4. At what rate are the aircraft coming/being replaced.
Adding 1.1 a month.
5. How many crews per a/c.
5.3 across the network. Luckily we only get 20 days holiday and work well outside CAP371!!
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If the management is successful in dividing the workforce into separate groups, it will be impossible to negotiate better T&Cīs for the future. Once split, forever split! Donīt let that happen!
I can imagine that new commands then are on the mainland only, maybe you can move back to the UK after 2 years or so but while based in Germany or Italy all new captains are on the lower continental salary while their families, their houses and possibly mortgages etc are still due in the UK......
Must I say more?
It is time to stand together and fight that proposal off!
Thatīs why I joined Balpa last week.
I can imagine that new commands then are on the mainland only, maybe you can move back to the UK after 2 years or so but while based in Germany or Italy all new captains are on the lower continental salary while their families, their houses and possibly mortgages etc are still due in the UK......
Must I say more?
It is time to stand together and fight that proposal off!
Thatīs why I joined Balpa last week.
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eJ will have a major pilot shortage in 2006
Loss 12% of pilots in 2005 but gained 8% productivity so we are down 4% 56 pilots
Fleet increasing 1.1 ac/m at 5.3 crew 140 pilots
70 pilots working notice
30 pilots in BA/Virgin pool
If no one leaves in 2006 we need 296 pilots
We interview 12 pilots at a time about 9 show from that we get about 2 pilots or 1 in 5 so to get 296 pilots we will have to interview 1480 pilots.
eJ dropped the 1500 hr down to 500 but I dont think that there are 1500 pilots with 500+ hrs looking for jobs and want to this type of work.
Loss 12% of pilots in 2005 but gained 8% productivity so we are down 4% 56 pilots
Fleet increasing 1.1 ac/m at 5.3 crew 140 pilots
70 pilots working notice
30 pilots in BA/Virgin pool
If no one leaves in 2006 we need 296 pilots
We interview 12 pilots at a time about 9 show from that we get about 2 pilots or 1 in 5 so to get 296 pilots we will have to interview 1480 pilots.
eJ dropped the 1500 hr down to 500 but I dont think that there are 1500 pilots with 500+ hrs looking for jobs and want to this type of work.
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Whilst it is not nice for those awating commands, you can see why theyhave to recruit DEC. The company could not function with its current rate of attrition/recruitment.
Ryanair are now paying their pilots from day 1. No longer waiting for base training. They have a big backlog of training also.
Now is the time to fight for better T&C before the market takes its cyclical downturn.
Ryanair are now paying their pilots from day 1. No longer waiting for base training. They have a big backlog of training also.
Now is the time to fight for better T&C before the market takes its cyclical downturn.