EZY versus FR
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EZY versus FR
Hi all,
I know this subject as already been discussed many times but the terms are changing so quickly in the low-cost airlines that I would like to launch this post again. I hope the moderator will let it live some days to get some fresh infos ;-)
I just would like to get some feedbacks from guys/gals flying for these airlines. What are the +/- points? How many sectors are you flying a month, how many flying days, Sby, contactable days? Wich kind of contract have you been offered? How much do you bring home net as an F/O (also senior F/O)? What about basing? How long before promotion to left seat?
My situation is F/O with about 1100h TT, 800h jet, not rated on 737/319. Which of the 2 airlines would you recommend considering all the factors (working conditions, bond, salaries, promotion)?
Thanks for your help.
Regards
I know this subject as already been discussed many times but the terms are changing so quickly in the low-cost airlines that I would like to launch this post again. I hope the moderator will let it live some days to get some fresh infos ;-)
I just would like to get some feedbacks from guys/gals flying for these airlines. What are the +/- points? How many sectors are you flying a month, how many flying days, Sby, contactable days? Wich kind of contract have you been offered? How much do you bring home net as an F/O (also senior F/O)? What about basing? How long before promotion to left seat?
My situation is F/O with about 1100h TT, 800h jet, not rated on 737/319. Which of the 2 airlines would you recommend considering all the factors (working conditions, bond, salaries, promotion)?
Thanks for your help.
Regards
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I've just joined EZY have not flown the line yet coming to the end of my type rating on the 737. From what I have seen of EZY and it's people it looks overall a happy place to work.
The amount of sectors can vary depending on where your based, some work harder than others.
In terms of basing I was based in LTN on the 737 which I thought was great because I could bid for BRS and not need to move from home since it was a 737 base, then EZY announce that BRS is going Airbus from Jan next year and I thought bugger I'll be stuck in LTN with my family and friends in South Wales because you are fleet frozen for 3 years but I recently got a letter from EZY saying my transfer from LTN to BRS was approved along with my bond to sign to agree to being bonded to the company for 3 years for the Airbus training.
Spoken to several crews who have been with EZY for a few years who are in the middle of their Airbus conversion course and they say EZY generally put people where they want to go and do get looked after.
I know some people will say different but you get that in any airline.
The amount of sectors can vary depending on where your based, some work harder than others.
In terms of basing I was based in LTN on the 737 which I thought was great because I could bid for BRS and not need to move from home since it was a 737 base, then EZY announce that BRS is going Airbus from Jan next year and I thought bugger I'll be stuck in LTN with my family and friends in South Wales because you are fleet frozen for 3 years but I recently got a letter from EZY saying my transfer from LTN to BRS was approved along with my bond to sign to agree to being bonded to the company for 3 years for the Airbus training.
Spoken to several crews who have been with EZY for a few years who are in the middle of their Airbus conversion course and they say EZY generally put people where they want to go and do get looked after.
I know some people will say different but you get that in any airline.
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This should say it all,
there are 100 victimisation cases going through the court system in Ireland by pilots in the company.
There are also at least five other cases brought by pilots against the company one of which is to get the company to give the pilots a copy of their terms and conditions.
there are 100 victimisation cases going through the court system in Ireland by pilots in the company.
There are also at least five other cases brought by pilots against the company one of which is to get the company to give the pilots a copy of their terms and conditions.
I am a SFO with easyJet on the Boeing 737. The company is generally good to work for, though everything that we have is hard fought for. Pay is very good for a SFO, but if you join now you will no doubt come in on the TRSS scheme which is effectively a B scale. I come out with between £3000 and £3200 per month after tax.
The company has a touchy-feely management style, but unfortunately the substance is lacking (think of it as a sort of watered-down Ryanair with a smile).
A new 5-2-5-4 rostering agreement has been implememted this month and I reserve judgement on this for now.
Great people to work with and the training is second to none.
Staff travel is proberbly the worst in the industry.
The company has a touchy-feely management style, but unfortunately the substance is lacking (think of it as a sort of watered-down Ryanair with a smile).
A new 5-2-5-4 rostering agreement has been implememted this month and I reserve judgement on this for now.
Great people to work with and the training is second to none.
Staff travel is proberbly the worst in the industry.
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Am an FO with EZY at BRS. Overall the company seems to be a fairly happy place. A few issues recently with the new roster patterns, which will effect the number of standbys etc. So can't give you an accurate heads up on that just yet.
Lots of hours - I seem to average about 90+ hours / month. Some long 4 sector days eg. AMS/CIA, GVA/MAD, GLA/AGP, but this seems to be base dependent. Although generally a good mix of 2 and 4 sector days.
Basing a little strange, doesn't seem to be the first come first served as they claim - I had 5 months at another base before my transfer to BRS came through so can't complain. Most people eventually get where they want to be.
Nice aircraft - BRS is all B737-700 and will change to A319 at the end of the year.
Agree with 10002level, staff travel is very poor.
On the whole I'm happy
Lots of hours - I seem to average about 90+ hours / month. Some long 4 sector days eg. AMS/CIA, GVA/MAD, GLA/AGP, but this seems to be base dependent. Although generally a good mix of 2 and 4 sector days.
Basing a little strange, doesn't seem to be the first come first served as they claim - I had 5 months at another base before my transfer to BRS came through so can't complain. Most people eventually get where they want to be.
Nice aircraft - BRS is all B737-700 and will change to A319 at the end of the year.
Agree with 10002level, staff travel is very poor.
On the whole I'm happy
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JT8,
Great post. I have heard those same points about Easy myself. Do you like the 700s and do you think you'll miss the 700s when they are gone or are you looking forward to the Airbus?
Great post. I have heard those same points about Easy myself. Do you like the 700s and do you think you'll miss the 700s when they are gone or are you looking forward to the Airbus?
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Riker: the -700's are great. Its my first airline job (although I've worked for other airlines but not as flight crew) so its still early days for me. The -300's are ok, the problem being some are very old and show their age. I found the -300's actually nicer to hand fly. Love the -700 and glad I'll be flying it for a while yet but very much looking forward to the airbus.
crisidebrian: 5-2-5-4 has just been implemented. I'm actually on a random roster as I'm currently in my reserve month so I can't really comment from experience. Expect to work all 5 days. It has potentional to work out well i.e if last day of 'lates' is 'contactable' you end up with 4 on 5 off. I think this will happen on occasion.
Spanish base - seems to be more rumours in spain than in the uk. Who knows
I dont think they'd have a problem getting crews if it happened! I'd be off!
crisidebrian: 5-2-5-4 has just been implemented. I'm actually on a random roster as I'm currently in my reserve month so I can't really comment from experience. Expect to work all 5 days. It has potentional to work out well i.e if last day of 'lates' is 'contactable' you end up with 4 on 5 off. I think this will happen on occasion.
Spanish base - seems to be more rumours in spain than in the uk. Who knows
I dont think they'd have a problem getting crews if it happened! I'd be off!
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10002Level is very lucky to be taking home 3000-3200. At LTN I would say 2800 is a more realistic figure for a non TRSS SFO. Although it may be a tax issue where us UK guys are getting screwed.
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My understanding of the TRSS pay scale is that whilst you could expect £3000 or slightly more per month, around £4-500 of that is used to pay off the loan. So, in the bank goes a few hundred less per month than non TRSS SFOs.
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I assume that the take-home pay varies according to the mix of flying that you do at your base. I am based in LPL and we do a lot of longer sectors (we have 3 AGPs per day in summer). Also some of the longer flights have a little "extra" associated with it in the form of a BFS or AMS.
Anyone looking to join the company should be aware that the rosters have in the past proved to be hard and fatigue has been a problem. However, hopefully things will be a little better on the new 5-2-5-4 pattern.
Anyone looking to join the company should be aware that the rosters have in the past proved to be hard and fatigue has been a problem. However, hopefully things will be a little better on the new 5-2-5-4 pattern.
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Any stock option plans or profit sharing schemes?
FR says they have some sort of profit sharing that would have netted pilots over 200k the past five years. True?
FR says they have some sort of profit sharing that would have netted pilots over 200k the past five years. True?
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As a captain you get £10k worth of share options per annum - last year's offering was at £1.85 per share (worth about £2.32 today). You can cash them in after 3 years. You also get the annual 'loyalty bonus' based on your basic salary of about £67k. It gives nil for first 2 years, 5% until 5 years, 10% to 10 years and 15% thereafter. No private medical care, 7% company pension contribution, loss of licence to about £80k and 4 times basic salary death in service (or serious injury). I took home about £4200 last month (LGW Airbus captain).
FR probably earn more overall but we have a number of people who have worked for both and they all say easyJet is a million times better to work for.
(edited to put in correct share price!)
FR probably earn more overall but we have a number of people who have worked for both and they all say easyJet is a million times better to work for.
(edited to put in correct share price!)
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NS Fletcher, is that pay good enough to live comfortably in the UK with a family? From my research on the internet, costs, especially housing, seem quite high in the UK.
I've just about had it with SAS (Scandinavian Airlines). 16 years as FO, three years of pay CUTS and constantly in the red, I feel it may be time to jump ship.
I've just about had it with SAS (Scandinavian Airlines). 16 years as FO, three years of pay CUTS and constantly in the red, I feel it may be time to jump ship.
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Rather be Sailing
Normans post is accurate re terms etc, housing can be expensive dependant on your choice of base. Close to gatwick or anywhere in the south you will pay quite a lot. Buying a 3 bed place generally speaking you will pay 250 - 330 K. Always possible to rent, once again depending on what you are after £1000 - £1500 per month.
Easy is a fairly happy place with a good bunch of people working for them. Gatwick's workload will now start to increase bringing us inline with the other bases. Believe we will have 16 a/c here if not already. As with any company you cant please everybody.
Hope this helps
MF37
Normans post is accurate re terms etc, housing can be expensive dependant on your choice of base. Close to gatwick or anywhere in the south you will pay quite a lot. Buying a 3 bed place generally speaking you will pay 250 - 330 K. Always possible to rent, once again depending on what you are after £1000 - £1500 per month.
Easy is a fairly happy place with a good bunch of people working for them. Gatwick's workload will now start to increase bringing us inline with the other bases. Believe we will have 16 a/c here if not already. As with any company you cant please everybody.
Hope this helps
MF37
