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Why don't we do it here ?
Can we set up a sub-forum ?
I never heard about that MSN forum.
Is it the same than the "for a better contract" that never went trough ?
Can we set up a sub-forum ?
I never heard about that MSN forum.
Is it the same than the "for a better contract" that never went trough ?
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We do have a queue of waiting companies worldwide but are just about to open up new private forums.
Experience shows that you're looking at approx 130 pilots/crew to get a reasonably healthy forum. This is based on many years of experience showing the proportion of contributors versus lurkers. Crew working for companies with widely dispersed bases find such forums particularly valuable. In these cases 2 mods covering different times zones, leave periods Etc. work very well. The system beautifully accomodates the road warriors amongst you - I'm running the entire site today from a laptop in a hotel room.
If interested we will have an experienced moderator to hand hold and show whoever is going to run the forums the ropes. Initially there is some workload to get to grips with the influx of permission to enter requests but after that it just takes a short period each day to keep an eye on things.
Because we give you server, software licencing, bandwidth and look after the entire technical side including rigorous backup to corporate standards we charge you a hundred bucks or equivalent per year. We make this clear to you upfront because any competent computer minded member of your company or others reading will be able to do this for free with the facilities offered by most ISP's. That is of course if you discount the time they put in creating and running the site.
Whichever way you decide to go it takes a bit of effort but it does pay off.
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Experience shows that you're looking at approx 130 pilots/crew to get a reasonably healthy forum. This is based on many years of experience showing the proportion of contributors versus lurkers. Crew working for companies with widely dispersed bases find such forums particularly valuable. In these cases 2 mods covering different times zones, leave periods Etc. work very well. The system beautifully accomodates the road warriors amongst you - I'm running the entire site today from a laptop in a hotel room.
If interested we will have an experienced moderator to hand hold and show whoever is going to run the forums the ropes. Initially there is some workload to get to grips with the influx of permission to enter requests but after that it just takes a short period each day to keep an eye on things.
Because we give you server, software licencing, bandwidth and look after the entire technical side including rigorous backup to corporate standards we charge you a hundred bucks or equivalent per year. We make this clear to you upfront because any competent computer minded member of your company or others reading will be able to do this for free with the facilities offered by most ISP's. That is of course if you discount the time they put in creating and running the site.
Whichever way you decide to go it takes a bit of effort but it does pay off.
Regards
Rob
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Obviously the key to timely information exchange is called communication. Nowdays, anything less than an interactive website is prehistoric.
But any successful message board or forum as such should offer 100% participant anonymity, otherwise nobody will freely speak their mind.
Always the obstacle to such "dedicated" forums is the registration process; it's where the administrator, the webmaster, or somebody connected with the company will learn the participants' identity.
Because the forum administrator(s) could conceivably be or become stooges for management, no participant will be inclined to speak his/her mind fully, or seriously criticize management.
But any successful message board or forum as such should offer 100% participant anonymity, otherwise nobody will freely speak their mind.
Always the obstacle to such "dedicated" forums is the registration process; it's where the administrator, the webmaster, or somebody connected with the company will learn the participants' identity.
Because the forum administrator(s) could conceivably be or become stooges for management, no participant will be inclined to speak his/her mind fully, or seriously criticize management.
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I agree. Confidentiality is the Key.
If we run that forum, we will have to make sure that in any case our names wont be released to the company without our permission.
If we run that forum, we will have to make sure that in any case our names wont be released to the company without our permission.
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Yip...
Confidentiality is the key, but this should not mean that all gloves come off and one can just say what ever tongue springs out of the old piehole.
How would we know who works for the company... 3L and ID??? And who should be trusted with this info? A moderator, but who? Should all employee groups be included or only pilots?
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Confidentiality is the key, but this should not mean that all gloves come off and one can just say what ever tongue springs out of the old piehole.
How would we know who works for the company... 3L and ID??? And who should be trusted with this info? A moderator, but who? Should all employee groups be included or only pilots?
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Different options.
If we use pprune as a sub-forum, it will be easy to pass the word through cockpits and have more and more guys loggin in.
We don't really care if there is non AAI drivers who come and chat with us, the most important is to get as many guys from the company as possible.
We could then, decide to elect a perfect stranger (lawyer, union representative ?) to talk with the management on our behalf.
Each participant would be sole responsible to contact that lawyer / union guy and pay is fee.
Once we have enough people we sent the guy to iceland and he will negociate for us.
I know, it looks a bit like 007 (this is not my number !) but everyone would be protected from any kind of retaliation.
If we use pprune as a sub-forum, it will be easy to pass the word through cockpits and have more and more guys loggin in.
We don't really care if there is non AAI drivers who come and chat with us, the most important is to get as many guys from the company as possible.
We could then, decide to elect a perfect stranger (lawyer, union representative ?) to talk with the management on our behalf.
Each participant would be sole responsible to contact that lawyer / union guy and pay is fee.
Once we have enough people we sent the guy to iceland and he will negociate for us.
I know, it looks a bit like 007 (this is not my number !) but everyone would be protected from any kind of retaliation.
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abarth is on the right track: "If Pprune were used as a sub-forum, it would be easy to pass the word through cockpits and have more and more guys loggin in."
It would keep strangers off the forum, and it wouldn't really matter if management learnt of the "entry-password" as long as participants could enter with their Pprune screen name(s) and maintain complete anonymity.
In the long run it would even be beneficial for management to read the posts. Managers would get first hand raw feedback from the frontline "troops!" No moderator needed on a sub-forum.
...Such as: Repetitive issues about low morale in the pilot community because of inadequate compensation; Rostering complaints; Operational shortcomings;...But also about positive suggestions on how to improve quality of life issues, safety and mutual productivity.
Curiously, most quality of life issues encompass rostering which for the most part would involve only simple, non financial remedies. In the absence of professional management and without a professional pilots organization, nobody will stick his neck out to complain about anything. So, for the time being, this is the only way to go.
It would keep strangers off the forum, and it wouldn't really matter if management learnt of the "entry-password" as long as participants could enter with their Pprune screen name(s) and maintain complete anonymity.
In the long run it would even be beneficial for management to read the posts. Managers would get first hand raw feedback from the frontline "troops!" No moderator needed on a sub-forum.
...Such as: Repetitive issues about low morale in the pilot community because of inadequate compensation; Rostering complaints; Operational shortcomings;...But also about positive suggestions on how to improve quality of life issues, safety and mutual productivity.
Curiously, most quality of life issues encompass rostering which for the most part would involve only simple, non financial remedies. In the absence of professional management and without a professional pilots organization, nobody will stick his neck out to complain about anything. So, for the time being, this is the only way to go.
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Good post, GlueBall.
People in "high office" always loose track of reality when surrounded by yes people.
No offence to management, (at least one has already posted on this thread), but they should take a little bit more notice of the troops.
Don't worry chaps, they can't fire you all. Mind you, some dictators do have a habit of shooting the messenger.
If management are "worth their salt" they would respect you putting across you views. We have a marvellous median in the Internet so take advantage of it. Our predecessors in aviation didn't have such a luxury.
People in "high office" always loose track of reality when surrounded by yes people.
No offence to management, (at least one has already posted on this thread), but they should take a little bit more notice of the troops.
Don't worry chaps, they can't fire you all. Mind you, some dictators do have a habit of shooting the messenger.
If management are "worth their salt" they would respect you putting across you views. We have a marvellous median in the Internet so take advantage of it. Our predecessors in aviation didn't have such a luxury.
For what it's worth Gentlemen, I moderate the Air2000/First Choice Airways forum, and have done so since Danny left for Astreus.
Our forum is very busy with over half the pilot workforce subscribed including management and union council members aswell. To the best of my knowledge it is the busiest and most sucessfull private forum within PPRuNe.
Over the last few years I have tried to act not only as moderator but independant reporter, bringing news items from the company web sites and union sites alike. This has resulted in the forum becoming a focus for not only discussion but a source of information for pilots downroute along with those that have problems logging onto the company's intranet from home.
The management now value the site as a window into the crewroom to gauge feelings and feedback. In fact they have approached me to replicate the site within the companies server.
However PPRuNe can offer the one thing that internal servers can't and that is anonymity. Whatever the feelings of those that state that all posts should be identifiable the real truth of crews feelings can only be best portrayed when those who feel that perceived or real retribution may jeapardise their careers feel safe posting behind a pseudonym. Our site works well on that basis.
At no time have I had any pressure or enquiry from the company to curtail a post, or to reveal an identity.
If you want to set up an Air Atlantic forum I would encourage you to do it here. Your moderator should be a Captain of reasonable seniority who is viewed as an independant thinker and someone who is prepared to work alone between the waring factions of company and union. Occasionally the flak from both sides will land on his doorstep. He/She will need to be able to balance his views to see both sides of any argument in threads.
You will probably find that Air Atlanta will not object to the forum once they have found the benefits of seeing straight into the workforces current feelings and morale.
Good luck........BB
Our forum is very busy with over half the pilot workforce subscribed including management and union council members aswell. To the best of my knowledge it is the busiest and most sucessfull private forum within PPRuNe.
Over the last few years I have tried to act not only as moderator but independant reporter, bringing news items from the company web sites and union sites alike. This has resulted in the forum becoming a focus for not only discussion but a source of information for pilots downroute along with those that have problems logging onto the company's intranet from home.
The management now value the site as a window into the crewroom to gauge feelings and feedback. In fact they have approached me to replicate the site within the companies server.
However PPRuNe can offer the one thing that internal servers can't and that is anonymity. Whatever the feelings of those that state that all posts should be identifiable the real truth of crews feelings can only be best portrayed when those who feel that perceived or real retribution may jeapardise their careers feel safe posting behind a pseudonym. Our site works well on that basis.
At no time have I had any pressure or enquiry from the company to curtail a post, or to reveal an identity.
If you want to set up an Air Atlantic forum I would encourage you to do it here. Your moderator should be a Captain of reasonable seniority who is viewed as an independant thinker and someone who is prepared to work alone between the waring factions of company and union. Occasionally the flak from both sides will land on his doorstep. He/She will need to be able to balance his views to see both sides of any argument in threads.
You will probably find that Air Atlanta will not object to the forum once they have found the benefits of seeing straight into the workforces current feelings and morale.
Good luck........BB
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Just heard the Fishheads want all the UK PAX crew to shift down to HadJ for christmas. Good Bloody Luck,
Lads, time to get organized. Time to get rid of Jerry O. Time to end this madness!
Last month I heard a rumour of job action it seems to have fizzled. Why can't we get this sorted!
Lads, time to get organized. Time to get rid of Jerry O. Time to end this madness!
Last month I heard a rumour of job action it seems to have fizzled. Why can't we get this sorted!
Experience shows that you're looking at approx 130 pilots/crew to get a reasonably healthy forum.