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CAT1: All slave drivers, sir. ...You know, the fellows who'll do a three-day safari; something like FRA-NBO-CAI-FRA...and be paid the equivalent princely sum of $750. And that's USD, not Euros, mind you. 
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The purpose is to get as many people as possible. I dont see any reason agaisnt having the AAE crew in the forum. Their conditions are not the same as ours but they are still flying for the same boss !
The more people getting through the forum the better. I have been told that the crew cost for AAI represent only 2% of the total revenue of the company. You have to take into consideration that in a normal airline, crew cost are around 10 to 15%.
That means that they have a huge potential to negociate. As we expend, it is the time to react and make them understand that we are no longer guinea pigs !!!
See below what was posted by "wassup" on the Air Atlanta upgrade forum !!!
The union already exists!!! It is my impression that most of Air Atlanta pilots have over the years been mislead to believe that FFF is the only pilot union in Iceland. FFF, the so called union that represent most, between 50-70, of the Icelandic and Scandinavian pilots within Air Atlanta, is not the only pilot union in Iceland. Air Atlanta dictates who and how many pilots are members of FFF at any given time....
The Icelandic Airline Pilots Association however,a member of IFALPA, ECA and NTF, is totaly indipendent and represents pilots from every airline and operator in Iceland including Icelandair and Islandsflug, even one pilot from Air Atlanta.
The upcoming merger between Islandsflug and Air Atlanta presents an ideal opportunity for Air Atlanta pilots to join the contract Islandsflug has with the Icelandic Airline Pilots Association and probably the best of all our little friend Jerry O´Sullivan has nothing to do or comes nowhere near that contract.
For more info www.fia.is and [email protected]
The more people getting through the forum the better. I have been told that the crew cost for AAI represent only 2% of the total revenue of the company. You have to take into consideration that in a normal airline, crew cost are around 10 to 15%.
That means that they have a huge potential to negociate. As we expend, it is the time to react and make them understand that we are no longer guinea pigs !!!
See below what was posted by "wassup" on the Air Atlanta upgrade forum !!!
The union already exists!!! It is my impression that most of Air Atlanta pilots have over the years been mislead to believe that FFF is the only pilot union in Iceland. FFF, the so called union that represent most, between 50-70, of the Icelandic and Scandinavian pilots within Air Atlanta, is not the only pilot union in Iceland. Air Atlanta dictates who and how many pilots are members of FFF at any given time....
The Icelandic Airline Pilots Association however,a member of IFALPA, ECA and NTF, is totaly indipendent and represents pilots from every airline and operator in Iceland including Icelandair and Islandsflug, even one pilot from Air Atlanta.
The upcoming merger between Islandsflug and Air Atlanta presents an ideal opportunity for Air Atlanta pilots to join the contract Islandsflug has with the Icelandic Airline Pilots Association and probably the best of all our little friend Jerry O´Sullivan has nothing to do or comes nowhere near that contract.
For more info www.fia.is and [email protected]
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Not that I would not like to see some improvement with AAI on various areas but:
Quote " I have been told that the crew cost for AAI represent only 2% of the total revenue of the company. You have to take into consideration that in a normal airline, crew cost are around 10 to 15%." Unquote.
One needs to have the BS filter activated... A normal airline will have crew cost at around 25% to 40% of the revenue. Who ever told you that AAI figure is 2% is full of it and clearly does not know what he/she is talking about.
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Quote " I have been told that the crew cost for AAI represent only 2% of the total revenue of the company. You have to take into consideration that in a normal airline, crew cost are around 10 to 15%." Unquote.
One needs to have the BS filter activated... A normal airline will have crew cost at around 25% to 40% of the revenue. Who ever told you that AAI figure is 2% is full of it and clearly does not know what he/she is talking about.
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I heard the same figures being spoken out on the line, rumour or not we are grossly under paid because of our inability to get ourselves organized.
Now is the time. We get ourselves organized, we send off a letter to AAI with our demands, and if there is no action we walk off the job 4 days before Hadjj, say around the 9th of Dec.
If we can get 50 crews together, they will have to listen to us.
Now is the time. We get ourselves organized, we send off a letter to AAI with our demands, and if there is no action we walk off the job 4 days before Hadjj, say around the 9th of Dec.
If we can get 50 crews together, they will have to listen to us.
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You are certainly on the right track.
The problem I see is this. The crews who are on a contract, means that. They have agreed to the conditions.
There is nothing to stop a group resigning , then renegotiate a new contract, just before the hadjj.
The problem I see is this. The crews who are on a contract, means that. They have agreed to the conditions.
There is nothing to stop a group resigning , then renegotiate a new contract, just before the hadjj.
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I heard the same figures being spoken out on the line, rumour or not we are grossly under paid because of our inability to get ourselves organized.
If one takes a hard look on the terms conditions of the Airborne/ACE contract in light of that AAI is operating more and more in a regular Airline enviroment, it is obvious that it greatly undermines the work of pilot unions and associations over the years.
Let´s act now, give them a call or send an email.
[email protected], www.fia.is
It can´t get worse.
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....Maybe Not Today, Maybe Not Tommorow, But Soon!
Once any growing company's employe count reaches critical mass, the formation of a union is not only inevitable, it's of practical necessity, not just for the employes, but equally so for the employer.
It matters not whether employes are "in-house" or employed indirectly as "contractors" through a hodgepodge of crew leasing companies. Historical facts at ALPA and IBT airline divison show that managements at large air carriers cannot successfuly interact (in an unbiased atmosphere) with individual employes as opposed to interacting with a uniquely structured, organized employe group.
There are mutual benefits, including two-way feedback on operational, safety, and fair compensation issues. Even confrontational managers at Ryan Air have learnt that it must find a way to interact constructively with its 500+ pilots or perish. RAEPA
It matters not whether employes are "in-house" or employed indirectly as "contractors" through a hodgepodge of crew leasing companies. Historical facts at ALPA and IBT airline divison show that managements at large air carriers cannot successfuly interact (in an unbiased atmosphere) with individual employes as opposed to interacting with a uniquely structured, organized employe group.
There are mutual benefits, including two-way feedback on operational, safety, and fair compensation issues. Even confrontational managers at Ryan Air have learnt that it must find a way to interact constructively with its 500+ pilots or perish. RAEPA
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Lot of negative comments about AAI. Seems to be a lot of unhappy troops out there.
Any management or cheerleaders out there care to comment and provide some sort of balance. There are always 2 sides to every story.
Any management or cheerleaders out there care to comment and provide some sort of balance. There are always 2 sides to every story.
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As said before the The Icelandic Pilots Association is totally independent and would for sure not give Air Atlanta any names.
They hold a grudge against AAI for undermining their work over the years and are probably just waiting to represent poor sods like us that have taken the beat from little hobbits like Jerry O.
A lawyer or a third party will work just fine by me just as long the ball starts rolling soon, remember the Hajj is just around the corner.
Just send them a line or call them, you might be in for a surprise, the union of course not AAI .
They hold a grudge against AAI for undermining their work over the years and are probably just waiting to represent poor sods like us that have taken the beat from little hobbits like Jerry O.
A lawyer or a third party will work just fine by me just as long the ball starts rolling soon, remember the Hajj is just around the corner.
Just send them a line or call them, you might be in for a surprise, the union of course not AAI
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An Expat Union at AAI? IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
There are too many guys at AAI that are in the 55+ age bracket that want to just ride things out for the next few years and not make waves. Their thinking is, "a little money is better than no money". There is nowhere else for most of these guys to go. Sad, very sad. There are so many good guys at AAI and AAI is taking advantage of them.
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Actually, 747CLASSIC, it works both ways. The 55+ folks (I'm not in that group yet), many of whom are well to do, are more likely to stand up and "squeak" when contractual work conditions are being squeezed.
For instance, many members of this distinguished group are always first to enforce common sense issues like limitations of duty hours and "fatigue creep."
Hotel standards: If booked hotel rooms aren't available, these older folks won't put up with lesser standard accommodations; rather, they will be first to insist on upgraded accommodations.
Most members of the 55+ crowd are respected and dignified professionals who won't easily be pushed around by management. This usually is the case at all airlines. Most older guys are not afraid to lose their jobs, so they are much more inclined to stand up to management and to pursue improved quality of life issues. It's usually the younger pilots who screw themselves and everybody else by allowing management to walk all over them. If only they'd pick up a cue from the 55+ crowd and insist on practical reality. And rostering sanity.
For instance, many members of this distinguished group are always first to enforce common sense issues like limitations of duty hours and "fatigue creep."
Hotel standards: If booked hotel rooms aren't available, these older folks won't put up with lesser standard accommodations; rather, they will be first to insist on upgraded accommodations.
Most members of the 55+ crowd are respected and dignified professionals who won't easily be pushed around by management. This usually is the case at all airlines. Most older guys are not afraid to lose their jobs, so they are much more inclined to stand up to management and to pursue improved quality of life issues. It's usually the younger pilots who screw themselves and everybody else by allowing management to walk all over them. If only they'd pick up a cue from the 55+ crowd and insist on practical reality. And rostering sanity.
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I was employed by AAI/Direct for a few years. I can say honestly, I have never been associated with a better group of pilots, both 55+ and below 55. The company, well that's another story.
I left AAI several months ago and found it was the best thing I had done. Working for a "real" airline is amazing. Especially when you compare what AAI is doing to and expects from people.
Forget trying to get any type of "union" or "job action". The real problem is unless you're a FFF you don't work directly for AAI. That presents real problems. ACE/Airborne or Direct aren't going to do anything about the conrtact because it's not in their best intrest.
My advice, keep your options open. If you like working at AAI, great! If not, there are plenty of options in today's market. You have Air China, Asiana, SIA and Korean (supposed to start in the next 3 months). So, there are other jobs out there. Most will take people up to 57.
I left AAI several months ago and found it was the best thing I had done. Working for a "real" airline is amazing. Especially when you compare what AAI is doing to and expects from people.
Forget trying to get any type of "union" or "job action". The real problem is unless you're a FFF you don't work directly for AAI. That presents real problems. ACE/Airborne or Direct aren't going to do anything about the conrtact because it's not in their best intrest.
My advice, keep your options open. If you like working at AAI, great! If not, there are plenty of options in today's market. You have Air China, Asiana, SIA and Korean (supposed to start in the next 3 months). So, there are other jobs out there. Most will take people up to 57.
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The example of the Ryan air pilots should be followed. They have got themselves organized and they have fewer pilots than AAI.
That fat weasel JOS was from the above mentioned, so it answers a lot of questions on why AB crews are treated with utter contempt. He doesn't know any better.
It's the old story, "treat people badly, they will behave badly." Therefore the crews vent their frustrations in public, on this thread and others.
That fat weasel JOS was from the above mentioned, so it answers a lot of questions on why AB crews are treated with utter contempt. He doesn't know any better.
It's the old story, "treat people badly, they will behave badly." Therefore the crews vent their frustrations in public, on this thread and others.
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Ah the goat **** continues at AAI..... Pilots now being threated by Iceland when they are sick and unable to fly. ANother pilot being flown off base to ceover a flight and a new pilot being flown in to cover his flight (leaving in 12hrs) Why did they not send guy # 3 to replace the first guy, why becasue their bloody stupid fish heads.
I need out.Thanks Phil SQ, I will look at the companies you mentioned. I even heard of a UK FO and FE leaving for Orient Thai!!
I need out.Thanks Phil SQ, I will look at the companies you mentioned. I even heard of a UK FO and FE leaving for Orient Thai!!
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hi to all,
i would like to know how it is working for air atlanta icelandic. i just got offered a contract by jerry o'sullivan and was contemplating whether i should take it up or not. firstly the pay is kinda low for 747 FE ($5250). is the flying long haul? how is the accomodation they provide?
if someone could fill me in on some insider details of the company and work rules and so on i would greatly appreciate it.
thanks
i would like to know how it is working for air atlanta icelandic. i just got offered a contract by jerry o'sullivan and was contemplating whether i should take it up or not. firstly the pay is kinda low for 747 FE ($5250). is the flying long haul? how is the accomodation they provide?
if someone could fill me in on some insider details of the company and work rules and so on i would greatly appreciate it.
thanks
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Do we really need to go through all this AGAIN???
Dearest Maverick, use the search function and you will find 100s of threads which will tell you much more than you need to know.
If you are free to relocate, footloose and young, its great. If you want stable home based family life its crap.
Air Atlanta Europe however.... that is an earthly paradise with excellent T&Cs, rosters made by angels and is the greatest job on Jerry's own Earth.
And before everyone starts again - give him a chance to use the search!!!
Dearest Maverick, use the search function and you will find 100s of threads which will tell you much more than you need to know.
If you are free to relocate, footloose and young, its great. If you want stable home based family life its crap.
Air Atlanta Europe however.... that is an earthly paradise with excellent T&Cs, rosters made by angels and is the greatest job on Jerry's own Earth.
And before everyone starts again - give him a chance to use the search!!!