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Let me tell you chaps something. Blowing hot air on this forum, or any other for that matter, won't do you any good at all.
You chaps have to stand up for your rights. Vote with your feet and walk off the job, now!! You won't will you. That is the very reason why you guys are being shafted, good and proper. All "mouth and trousers" and no action. Typical pilots.
Just a word of warning. If you look on the 1st page of this thread, you will find a poster that has the handle beginning with P. This individual is AA "management" with editing powers on this site, so beware. Pprune works in stange ways, does it not?
AAI "management" must be p*****g in their pants laughing at you lot, with all that hot air and no action.
You chaps have to stand up for your rights. Vote with your feet and walk off the job, now!! You won't will you. That is the very reason why you guys are being shafted, good and proper. All "mouth and trousers" and no action. Typical pilots.
Just a word of warning. If you look on the 1st page of this thread, you will find a poster that has the handle beginning with P. This individual is AA "management" with editing powers on this site, so beware. Pprune works in stange ways, does it not?
AAI "management" must be p*****g in their pants laughing at you lot, with all that hot air and no action.
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Well to answer your "word of warning". As the moderator of this forum, with powers to edit, I am not aware that (save for the possibility of language edits) there has been any editing at all to this thread. Of course individual posters can and do edit their own posts as indeed is their right. However if you would like to contact me with your specific concern, I will be happy to investigate the matter for you.
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I left AAI many, many months ago. It was the best move I ever made. To all the AAI pilots, there is life outside AAI. The management there doesn't care about you.
The same threads are still going on now as when I was there. The same deal about what the FFF get and the other pilots don't get. It's all the same and it's not going to change until people start to vote with their feet.
All this talk about an organization isn't going anyplace. If you're not FFF you're contract and can be dropped in a second. And they will.
The same threads are still going on now as when I was there. The same deal about what the FFF get and the other pilots don't get. It's all the same and it's not going to change until people start to vote with their feet.
All this talk about an organization isn't going anyplace. If you're not FFF you're contract and can be dropped in a second. And they will.
Can someone please send me the numbers on what the contract Captain's get per day?
Specifically, first year, second year, third and fourth year dairly rates.
I think I'm being short-changed and want to be sure before I really put my foot down.
Specifically, first year, second year, third and fourth year dairly rates.
I think I'm being short-changed and want to be sure before I really put my foot down.
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Now Billy,
yous knows oim always in yer corner, aint it da truth! but fairs fair, an foist year is foist year.
but lemme ask yous, 5 years wit dis airline, and yous asking dis now??? oi tought yous was a card carrying member o dat bright boys club??
but lemme sleep on it, and oi ll see whats oi can do, oim on it, oi tell ya, OIM ON IT!!!
yous knows oim always in yer corner, aint it da truth! but fairs fair, an foist year is foist year.
but lemme ask yous, 5 years wit dis airline, and yous asking dis now??? oi tought yous was a card carrying member o dat bright boys club??
but lemme sleep on it, and oi ll see whats oi can do, oim on it, oi tell ya, OIM ON IT!!!
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Hi everyone
Just wondering how Air Atlanta are travelling at the moment. What contracts do they have and are they long term contracts. As a pilot with AAI on the 747 what is it like. What are the best places to be based if you are based anywhere at all? Is there chance for upgrade after a few years with the company if you are a hard working employee? Is there any chance that down the track AAI may get an entire fleet of 747 400's to replace the 200's? And finally are AAI employing at the moment?
Any info greatly appreciated
Thanks
Just wondering how Air Atlanta are travelling at the moment. What contracts do they have and are they long term contracts. As a pilot with AAI on the 747 what is it like. What are the best places to be based if you are based anywhere at all? Is there chance for upgrade after a few years with the company if you are a hard working employee? Is there any chance that down the track AAI may get an entire fleet of 747 400's to replace the 200's? And finally are AAI employing at the moment?
Any info greatly appreciated
Thanks
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From what I know AAI have contracts & bases presently in Jeddah, Madrid, Paris, along with an occasional New York base for Universal Airlines & Buenos Aires for Southern Winds ( though I hear SW are in diffuculties or have gone bankrupt) . Those tend to be the most longer term bases but things are changing all the time & they could pick up work anywhere in the world & at any time. Its a very nomadic existence working for these guys & its certainly not for everyone. They currently operate a mixed fleet of B-747 mainly 200 & 300, but also operate 2x B747-400 for Iberia at the Madrid base, I believe thats with Iberia's own flightcrew, not AAI, but I may be wrong. They also have a very successful & expanding Cargo fleet with bases in Europe, the Middle & Far East.
The Air Atlanta Europe operation in the UK will be fleeted this year with around 5 or 6 B-747-200/300 plus the B-767-200/300ER's & B-757-200's, which operate for associate airline Excel Airways. Its a good mixture of long & short haul flying for these guys with basis at LGW & MAN, but I believe its a different contract than AAI, certainly from the Cabin crew's point of view anyway.
I worked for them in the past & they were ok, a bit different from your usual conventional airlines, but its certainly interesting with a good variety of work & bases around the world.
To answer your question about flight deck promotion, I understand that it is quite quick with AAI/AAE. They have alot of expansion planned & due to the nomadic existence they tend to have quite a high turn over of staff.
Speaking to friends in the cabin side of AAE, the company will eventually introduce more & more B-747-400 into the passenger fleet to replace the 200/300\'s, although it is always dependant on getting the right machines at the right price. The 400 is still an expensive bit of kit.
Bases that are probably not recommended would be in my opinion Jeddah, its abit unstable around there at the moment in terms of personal safety. Also alot of the AAI guys seem to dislike being in the UK, but at the end of the day its purely a personal choice.. What works for one may not work for another, but at least you have that choice & flexibilty with these guys.
Good Luck if you decide to give them a go
The Air Atlanta Europe operation in the UK will be fleeted this year with around 5 or 6 B-747-200/300 plus the B-767-200/300ER's & B-757-200's, which operate for associate airline Excel Airways. Its a good mixture of long & short haul flying for these guys with basis at LGW & MAN, but I believe its a different contract than AAI, certainly from the Cabin crew's point of view anyway.
I worked for them in the past & they were ok, a bit different from your usual conventional airlines, but its certainly interesting with a good variety of work & bases around the world.
To answer your question about flight deck promotion, I understand that it is quite quick with AAI/AAE. They have alot of expansion planned & due to the nomadic existence they tend to have quite a high turn over of staff.
Speaking to friends in the cabin side of AAE, the company will eventually introduce more & more B-747-400 into the passenger fleet to replace the 200/300\'s, although it is always dependant on getting the right machines at the right price. The 400 is still an expensive bit of kit.
Bases that are probably not recommended would be in my opinion Jeddah, its abit unstable around there at the moment in terms of personal safety. Also alot of the AAI guys seem to dislike being in the UK, but at the end of the day its purely a personal choice.. What works for one may not work for another, but at least you have that choice & flexibilty with these guys.
Good Luck if you decide to give them a go
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No JED base since Hajj 03-04. Bases at the mom are LUX, FRA, DXB, KUL, HKG, MAN and LGW. Paris is a 767 base. ALG has been a base in the last year for both Umrah and Hajj.
B744's are operated by AAI crews, not IB.
We have more -400's coming, I doubt though that those will be introduced to UK or AAE.
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B744's are operated by AAI crews, not IB.
We have more -400's coming, I doubt though that those will be introduced to UK or AAE.
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Hey Atlanta Driver
The freight business seems to be getting bigger globally. Do you think AAI will grow with this worldwide expansion? The noimadic existence that seems to accompany this type of job, how do you find it. Is it hard on your family (if you have one?) The company has in the past recieved a less than glowing review, but is this a true indication of what they are like in 2005? I seriously doubt that an airline that is expanding could be like the people describe in this forum. Are any of the guys leaving and going to European or Ocean? What is the go with the 747's going to Excel for the summer? Has there been an increase in work that require the 747. Will they stay on the Icelandic register or go to the G reg. Long term what will be the future for this company - in your opinion? How do you go about getting in? Is a type rating required?
Thanks
The freight business seems to be getting bigger globally. Do you think AAI will grow with this worldwide expansion? The noimadic existence that seems to accompany this type of job, how do you find it. Is it hard on your family (if you have one?) The company has in the past recieved a less than glowing review, but is this a true indication of what they are like in 2005? I seriously doubt that an airline that is expanding could be like the people describe in this forum. Are any of the guys leaving and going to European or Ocean? What is the go with the 747's going to Excel for the summer? Has there been an increase in work that require the 747. Will they stay on the Icelandic register or go to the G reg. Long term what will be the future for this company - in your opinion? How do you go about getting in? Is a type rating required?
Thanks
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To answer some of the above questions..
1)Divorce is imminent if you accept a job here. No family life and they don't care..
2)Type rating required unless you are a JAR licence then a heart beat and 250hrs will do. For NON JAR you need a type and 1500 hrs multi crew for validation.
3)AAI is expanding by a plane or two every quarter.
4)People are leaving for Ocean and European, depending on your personal situation it may be better or worse. AAI atleast always pays ontime and is fairly stable.
5)Aircraft are staying TF reg. In fact I understand they are trying to get out of the UK thing all together, its causing a lot of difficulty. But who really knows..
6)Company will be around a longtime I think
Not sure what your other questions were..
Its OK here, but most are looking for a way out. I think though guys at Emirates are also looking for way out..its the nature of being a pilot.
1)Divorce is imminent if you accept a job here. No family life and they don't care..
2)Type rating required unless you are a JAR licence then a heart beat and 250hrs will do. For NON JAR you need a type and 1500 hrs multi crew for validation.
3)AAI is expanding by a plane or two every quarter.
4)People are leaving for Ocean and European, depending on your personal situation it may be better or worse. AAI atleast always pays ontime and is fairly stable.
5)Aircraft are staying TF reg. In fact I understand they are trying to get out of the UK thing all together, its causing a lot of difficulty. But who really knows..
6)Company will be around a longtime I think
Not sure what your other questions were..
Its OK here, but most are looking for a way out. I think though guys at Emirates are also looking for way out..its the nature of being a pilot.
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2)Type rating required unless you are a JAR licence then a heart beat and 250hrs will do. For NON JAR you need a type and 1500 hrs multi crew for validation.
Those with a European ATPL License but not Type Rated on B747 or B767 need not apply.
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Just my opinion, I wouldn't go near AAI/AAE if it's the last option available. It's worse than anyone can imagine. Spent some time there years ago and leaving was the best thing that happened to me.
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<<Aircraft are staying TF reg. In fact I understand they are trying to get out of the UK thing all together, its causing a lot of difficulty. But who really knows..>>
Difficulty?
I'll bet...as in having to actually fix the aeroplane from time to time.
The UK CAA sticking their nose in too deeply, are they?
Difficulty?
I'll bet...as in having to actually fix the aeroplane from time to time.
The UK CAA sticking their nose in too deeply, are they?
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Those with a European ATPL License but not Type Rated on B747 or B767 need not apply.
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Not true.
They should have said "Those WITHOUT.."
No type is required for JAR pilots.
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I'll bet...as in having to actually fix the aeroplane from time to time.
The UK CAA sticking their nose in too deeply, are they?
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I believe it has to do with mixed licensing of crews (ie Icelandic validation not good for G reg)., but may have something to do with the CAA too.
Phil SQ is mostly right. If you have a good job with a national carrier go there. This job can be great for some, but most toil here till they find a better situation.
HOWEVER, I have always been treated well, paid on time, and been off (all be it without pay) when I needed to be.
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Those with a European ATPL License but not Type Rated on B747 or B767 need not apply.
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Not true.
They should have said "Those WITHOUT.."
No type is required for JAR pilots.
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I'll bet...as in having to actually fix the aeroplane from time to time.
The UK CAA sticking their nose in too deeply, are they?
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I believe it has to do with mixed licensing of crews (ie Icelandic validation not good for G reg)., but may have something to do with the CAA too.
Phil SQ is mostly right. If you have a good job with a national carrier go there. This job can be great for some, but most toil here till they find a better situation.
HOWEVER, I have always been treated well, paid on time, and been off (all be it without pay) when I needed to be.
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AAI offers little or no qaulity family time.
If you take the time off then it is without pay.
Not many of us can afford that.
If you are single and like to move around quite a bit then it may be for you.
I left AAI many months ago, what happened to the new and inproved contract that was being offered?
This without a salary reductoin would have stopped most of the high turn over.
A happy crewmember spending a little time with the family would have boosted moral quite a bit and also benifited the company.
But staying away from home for months at a time and only returning without pay to see your family was really bad.
When they strat screwing around with the family life after months away from home it makes the rest of the problems you are forced to do a no go issue.
No per diem or expences either.For someone new in the industry and building time this is a good place to be.
But if you are married, have to pay your bills and stay there then count on the worst.
Its really sad a little creative scheduling and a small increase in giving the crews this time off would be the best for all involved.
But the bean counters dont see it that way.
If you take the time off then it is without pay.
Not many of us can afford that.
If you are single and like to move around quite a bit then it may be for you.
I left AAI many months ago, what happened to the new and inproved contract that was being offered?
This without a salary reductoin would have stopped most of the high turn over.
A happy crewmember spending a little time with the family would have boosted moral quite a bit and also benifited the company.
But staying away from home for months at a time and only returning without pay to see your family was really bad.
When they strat screwing around with the family life after months away from home it makes the rest of the problems you are forced to do a no go issue.
No per diem or expences either.For someone new in the industry and building time this is a good place to be.
But if you are married, have to pay your bills and stay there then count on the worst.
Its really sad a little creative scheduling and a small increase in giving the crews this time off would be the best for all involved.
But the bean counters dont see it that way.
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I have been doing some searching and find that there are quite a few jobs out there at the moment. Would you given your experiences, pay for an endorsement and go somewhere like Pacific Blue in New Zealand, where the work is also contract and the future is uncertain as Chris Corrigan holds a majority in the Virgin Blue and therefore Pac Blue? 737NG V's 747 Classic? Is AAI here for the long term or not? That begs the question are small off shoot companies like Pac Blue (3 aeroplanes) operating from NZ to the Pacific and Australia with a lot of competition going to be aroundm that long, with all the competition and Corrigan possibly re-shaping the company?
I have been doing some searching and find that there are quite a few jobs out there at the moment. Would you given your experiences, pay for an endorsement and go somewhere like Pacific Blue in New Zealand, where the work is also contract and the future is uncertain as Chris Corrigan holds a majority in the Virgin Blue and therefore Pac Blue? 737NG V's 747 Classic? Is AAI here for the long term or not? That begs the question are small off shoot companies like Pac Blue (3 aeroplanes) operating from NZ to the Pacific and Australia with a lot of competition going to be aroundm that long, with all the competition and Corrigan possibly re-shaping the company?