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I am getting a bit fed up with attacks on BALPA which suggest that somehow they are supposed to provide a backbone for pilots who are unwilling to stand up for themselves.
As has been repeated stated on several threads, BALPA does not arrive like batman, on a white horse, with the 7th Cavalry in tow, to solve your problems. They bring expertise, but need YOU to make things happen.
If you are not willing to defend your corner you simply cannot turn around afterwards and announce that somebody else let you down.
If BALPA is to be criticised, it is for allowing the notion that they do "magic" to become established in the minds of some pilots. Just as you get the politicians you deserve, so too do you get the pilots association you deserve. It was always thus. It will always be thus.
As has been repeated stated on several threads, BALPA does not arrive like batman, on a white horse, with the 7th Cavalry in tow, to solve your problems. They bring expertise, but need YOU to make things happen.
If you are not willing to defend your corner you simply cannot turn around afterwards and announce that somebody else let you down.
If BALPA is to be criticised, it is for allowing the notion that they do "magic" to become established in the minds of some pilots. Just as you get the politicians you deserve, so too do you get the pilots association you deserve. It was always thus. It will always be thus.
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First, I think you'll find that Baby is no longer `Mainly' crewed by Mainline guys.
Secondly, Baby has not accepted the offer and our BALPA cc are still in talks with management.
Secondly, Baby has not accepted the offer and our BALPA cc are still in talks with management.
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Congratulations on getting onto my ignore list. I am sorry I wasted the 10 seconds it took me to read your last post. In that time I could have actually done something useful. I don't think I have ever read a more ill informed load of rubbish on this bulletin board and I have to say that your post took first prize by a long way. My only regret is that we do not operate a closed shop in this industry to ensure that cretins like you do not benefit from the hard work of others. Don't bother replying to this one cos I will not be able to see it. Yours truly, Fuzzy
Congratulations on getting onto my ignore list. I am sorry I wasted the 10 seconds it took me to read your last post. In that time I could have actually done something useful. I don't think I have ever read a more ill informed load of rubbish on this bulletin board and I have to say that your post took first prize by a long way. My only regret is that we do not operate a closed shop in this industry to ensure that cretins like you do not benefit from the hard work of others. Don't bother replying to this one cos I will not be able to see it. Yours truly, Fuzzy
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First, I think you'll find that Baby is no longer `Mainly' crewed by Mainline guys.
I am getting a bit fed up with attacks on BALPA which suggest that somehow they are supposed to provide a backbone for pilots who are unwilling to stand up for themselves.
"Pilots standing up for themselves" as you put it equals individuals with zero clout.
Pilots competently represented under a Union "banner" equals a potentially powerful force (unless that Union is incompetent at unifying it's members, as per BALPA!)
Sorry to state the obvious function of a Union. Seems as if some of you are'nt aware of it!
Tut tut! Hope you're not peeking now, Fuzzy!
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You are still wrong about EX Mainline. EX Maersk seem to be taking over.
Agree with you about the union though. Isn't the whole point of one that the whole group is stronger than the sum of its parts?
You are still wrong about EX Mainline. EX Maersk seem to be taking over.
Agree with you about the union though. Isn't the whole point of one that the whole group is stronger than the sum of its parts?
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The point I was trying to make was that the formation of bmi baby relied upon 100% intake of pilots from bmi Mainline.
The fact that so many pilots in Mainline decided to roll on their backs and play dead by accepting the pathetic conditions at Baby is a gold-plated demonstration of their lack of backbone (and brain cells).
More than that, though, it was a demonstration of the appalling support from BALPA in terms of pursuing the best interests of it's members. For grief's sake, BALPA actually encouraged the exodus to Baby on rubbish conditions in order, they claimed, to save jobs! What a load of twaddle that was!
BALPA should have said, "OK, you want Baby pilots, you give them better conditions than the offer on the table or else nobody goes to Baby". bmi would have been the ones rolling over, assuming they wanted to get Baby off the ground!
It's called solidarity!
Thank you! At least someone understands the basics of Union principles! 
How sad and pathetic that some of the bmi work"force" seem to think of it as something more etherial!
Fools! I can't wait to hear that the bmi pilots did'nt strike and to hear just how paltry a deal BALPA manage to achieve (though the word "achieve" seems out of place in the same sentence as "bmi pilots" and "BALPA").
So don't forget to come back here and tell us all what you get. Don't forget to list the productivity and conditions concessions -----that's a favourite bmi Management bartering tool.
Booo! Gotcha peeking again Fuzzy!!!
The fact that so many pilots in Mainline decided to roll on their backs and play dead by accepting the pathetic conditions at Baby is a gold-plated demonstration of their lack of backbone (and brain cells).
More than that, though, it was a demonstration of the appalling support from BALPA in terms of pursuing the best interests of it's members. For grief's sake, BALPA actually encouraged the exodus to Baby on rubbish conditions in order, they claimed, to save jobs! What a load of twaddle that was!
BALPA should have said, "OK, you want Baby pilots, you give them better conditions than the offer on the table or else nobody goes to Baby". bmi would have been the ones rolling over, assuming they wanted to get Baby off the ground!
It's called solidarity!
Agree with you about the union though. Isn't the whole point of one that the whole group is stronger than the sum of its parts?
How sad and pathetic that some of the bmi work"force" seem to think of it as something more etherial!
Fools! I can't wait to hear that the bmi pilots did'nt strike and to hear just how paltry a deal BALPA manage to achieve (though the word "achieve" seems out of place in the same sentence as "bmi pilots" and "BALPA").
So don't forget to come back here and tell us all what you get. Don't forget to list the productivity and conditions concessions -----that's a favourite bmi Management bartering tool.
Booo! Gotcha peeking again Fuzzy!!!
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What a pity I'm not allowed to swear anymore. I could think of a few choice words suitatable for fuzzy with the most unhelpful, uninformative post of the year. Just imagine someone not in Balpa being interested. Really!
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most unhelpful, uninformative post of the year.
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So what's happening? - for those not in balpa? (indeed for those in it too). It's been so quiet for so long. Everybody all fired up for a confrontation and then...... nothing. More or less no information whatsoever.
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It's headed for a showdown thanks to a revised pay offer from the management that falls well short of what is reasonable. The company seems to have the dosh to expand, but not enough to give it's workforce even an 'inflation matching' pay rise.
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When was this supposed to have been settled?
Early 2004, I believe?
Another couple of months at the most and you'd better start talking (aimlessly) about strike action for the 2005 pay deal!
Early 2004, I believe?
Another couple of months at the most and you'd better start talking (aimlessly) about strike action for the 2005 pay deal!
Just a numbered other
Interesting, isn't it, that both bmi and its offspring have now completed a trouble free summer programme at no cost at all in the pay round.......
whilst we tilt at windmills.
whilst we tilt at windmills.
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thanks to a revised pay offer from the management that falls well short of what is reasonable
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bmi will just keep coming back with new offers, which are still way short. There'll be lots of ballots and it'll drag on for months. Everyone will get fed up and the last offer will be taken.
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Whats the offer and when are we lowly line pilots going to be told about it?
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Precisely Val - same old Balpa non event and is why I've been in and out of this union a few times. Despite a huge backing of its members with a clear message to deliver, time and impetus is eroding. BA ground staff, LGW baggage handlers and Heathrow re-fuelers have largely been sorted. Spot the difference in why? Action speaks louder than words.
Come on Balpa- shock us all and get some teeth for once - then watch your membership numbers increase!
Standing by for the backlash.........
Come on Balpa- shock us all and get some teeth for once - then watch your membership numbers increase!
Standing by for the backlash.........
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