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BMI striking, BA striking, EI striking, UA I've been told are striking, I'm sure if I did enough research I could add a few more for good measure.
This is getting beyond the annoying & ridiculous, infact the whole situation is an insult to the travelling public. Maybe you'd be happier if we just didn't fly anymore but took the boat instead, at the rate you're all going we'll have to, see what jobs you'd have to complain, whinge & moan about then.
It's about time pax put their foot down & said enough is enough, where are our rights in all this?
This is getting beyond the annoying & ridiculous, infact the whole situation is an insult to the travelling public. Maybe you'd be happier if we just didn't fly anymore but took the boat instead, at the rate you're all going we'll have to, see what jobs you'd have to complain, whinge & moan about then.
It's about time pax put their foot down & said enough is enough, where are our rights in all this?
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Fester; I REALLY hope you're just kidding, but if you want to fly as pax on aircraft flown by exhausted crew of poor quality and low intelligence (because all the bright folks will no longer join the industry with its poor conditions and "blame the pilots" attitudes), then question your own intelligence. If a little inconvenience is what is required to get the mgmt to raise standards enough to retain quality staff, surely this a worthwhile investment in your safety.
Or maybe you want to be flown by monkeys on the YTS.
Or maybe you want to be flown by monkeys on the YTS.
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No Whippersnapper I'm not kidding, I really feel quite angry. I'm trying to deal with a trip I have to take soon but which has the potential of being scupperd by strikes in as rational, positive & proactive a way as possible.
If all comes to all I decided just incase I'd better look for alternatives to get to LHR for my connecting flight. Firstly I looked at the ferry, thought it a too convoluted option, maybe I should have stopped there while the going was good.
Then I went into a search engine to see what airlines flew from my airport to LHR, got only one, the option I had already chosen, knew that couldn't be right. Someone said check BMIbaby, fed that through my computer, no luck, then I researched BMI, ah bingo, here's the backup I can go for should I need it, damn why hadn't I booked that airline in the first place. Or is it, obviously not, why should I waste a load more money on an option that's as precarious & unreliable as the option I already have. It's like playing Russian roulette in the dark, what do you want me to do, flippin swim.
As an industry IMHO aviation is turning into one big joke & I for one am not laughing & no I don't blame the employees but you have to see the backlash of all this industrial unrest from a pax's point of view too & we are not happy or impressed.
Also please do not make derogatory & personal insults regardng my intelligence, there is no need for that to put your point of view across.
All I can say is thank god I turned down that job I was offered in aviation, if these pages are anything to go by my gut feeling was right.
If all comes to all I decided just incase I'd better look for alternatives to get to LHR for my connecting flight. Firstly I looked at the ferry, thought it a too convoluted option, maybe I should have stopped there while the going was good.
Then I went into a search engine to see what airlines flew from my airport to LHR, got only one, the option I had already chosen, knew that couldn't be right. Someone said check BMIbaby, fed that through my computer, no luck, then I researched BMI, ah bingo, here's the backup I can go for should I need it, damn why hadn't I booked that airline in the first place. Or is it, obviously not, why should I waste a load more money on an option that's as precarious & unreliable as the option I already have. It's like playing Russian roulette in the dark, what do you want me to do, flippin swim.
As an industry IMHO aviation is turning into one big joke & I for one am not laughing & no I don't blame the employees but you have to see the backlash of all this industrial unrest from a pax's point of view too & we are not happy or impressed.
Also please do not make derogatory & personal insults regardng my intelligence, there is no need for that to put your point of view across.
All I can say is thank god I turned down that job I was offered in aviation, if these pages are anything to go by my gut feeling was right.
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Most people in the industry are only too aware of what the impact of strikes is. That is why all but state airlines (and ex-state airlines like BA) do everything in their power to sort out industrial issues.
A strike is meant to hurt - it also hurts the striker! - it is not meant to be convenient. It represents the last resort of people who are seriously frustrated. Can you not imagine being in the sort of job where you simply can't get through to your seniors any other way? If so, you must be very lucky.
For what it's worth, if bmi would work, then I'd suggest you go with them. They have never gone on strike before.
A strike is meant to hurt - it also hurts the striker! - it is not meant to be convenient. It represents the last resort of people who are seriously frustrated. Can you not imagine being in the sort of job where you simply can't get through to your seniors any other way? If so, you must be very lucky.
For what it's worth, if bmi would work, then I'd suggest you go with them. They have never gone on strike before.
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"bmi have never gone on strike before".
No, and nobody wants to go on strike in the future either. However, what course of action is available when the management response to an obvious grievance is total intransigence? This vote is only another indication to the management that the present offer is not acceptable. What should happen is that a discussion takes place and a compromise is reached. So far the only response from bmi is - nothing else is on offer , go away!
This situation is from the dark ages of mill owners etc. Where do we go from here ?... answers on a postcard please to Donington Hall.
Don't blame the pilots, blame the bmi management
No, and nobody wants to go on strike in the future either. However, what course of action is available when the management response to an obvious grievance is total intransigence? This vote is only another indication to the management that the present offer is not acceptable. What should happen is that a discussion takes place and a compromise is reached. So far the only response from bmi is - nothing else is on offer , go away!
This situation is from the dark ages of mill owners etc. Where do we go from here ?... answers on a postcard please to Donington Hall.
Don't blame the pilots, blame the bmi management
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Your opinions are typical of those in society today who care only for one thing - themselves. All bmi pilots care for the customers they carry, afterall they pay the wages, but, in this case you are dealing with the legacy of years and years of management indifference and neglect. I can honestly say based on your own postings that I am also glad that you turned down the job you refer to in aviation. The industry already has enough of the type of character that you personify. I hope that you and others like you do not travel bmi.
Your opinions are typical of those in society today who care only for one thing - themselves. All bmi pilots care for the customers they carry, afterall they pay the wages, but, in this case you are dealing with the legacy of years and years of management indifference and neglect. I can honestly say based on your own postings that I am also glad that you turned down the job you refer to in aviation. The industry already has enough of the type of character that you personify. I hope that you and others like you do not travel bmi.
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Would you not say Fuzzy that Fester T Adams shows in his posts the very qualities he claims to dispise in others. ie no consideration for others position.
The number of people in the industry at the moment who are considering strike action has to make companies and the travelling public question what is going on when so many employees are unhappy and resorting to this kind of action.
Good luck folks.
The number of people in the industry at the moment who are considering strike action has to make companies and the travelling public question what is going on when so many employees are unhappy and resorting to this kind of action.
Good luck folks.
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LGS6753 you need to understand that a strike is the last resort and usually the only way of showing corporate giants we won't be screwed over and over again.
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This industry has always had its peaks and troughs. Right now we are troughing it – put there largely by the low cost carriers and the internet (cheapest fare first page philosophy) and not helped by 9/11, SARS and now fuel prices etc. Aircrew T& C’s have sunk as has its rating as a profession. The job has changed for the worse and is getting worse. (flight deck door CRM, sickness levels etc) The general public is waking up to the fact that the cheapest is not always the best i.e. you get what you pay for, so perhaps the tide is turning? The full service aircrew T&C’s have been dragged down towards the low cost model. Neither work force are happy (LCC’s or Full Service) or the passengers, so a stance is now being taken by many Full service airlines. bmi is not the only one treading this path. Let’s hope management led by SMB can restore some much needed pride and moral back into this airline and a strike can be avoided. A strike (for those not in bmi) is the last resort by the way. Value comes at a price and it will find its place again after having been taken to this dire level. The passengers want a return to value and so does the pilot workforce. Lead the way bmi management and the passengers and employees will reward you - in my IMHO of course!
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Oh fuzzy
I did travel bmi once & to be honest with you it was such a bad experience I felt like never travelling with them again. Why you may ask: firstly the male FA giggled & sniggered to himself through the whole safety demonstration.
Secondly I know absentmindedly I left a bottle of wine behind on leaving the aircraft, realised it in the baggage hall & went immediately to the service desk for your airline. The helpful lady phoned through & guess what staff had found my wine & said they would bring it down to me. I waited & waited & waited & guess what the wine never appeared, a member of the staff had the gall to run off with it. Stealing from the customers eh, very professional, unselfish, ethical behaviour, cared alot about the company image then eh.
Okay bmi customer serrvice department did send me a voucher to replace the wine but to be honest with you I'd only ever fly bmi again as a last resort, I've never had to deal with appalling behaviour like this on the much maligned FR.
If what I witnessed by your customer care the one time I flew with you is anything to go by I'm not surprised at your attitude. If I had my choice of any airline BMI would be my last one out of desperation.
Welcome to the real world & the laws of the marketplace. If a customer pays for a product or service they deserve to receive it & if not to be helped around the problem, they do not deserve to be left in the lurch.
If I treated the customers in my company or treated my job with such wholehearted lightness & unprofessionalism as I witnessed in your company I'd be out of a job years ago, I'm actually known for my good customer skills. If a customer buys our product & has problems they are given as much time as they need & are treated with respect, sensitivity & courtesy to sort it out, they are never accused of selfishness because since there a customer I owe them professional courtesy until the problem is solved & they are happy. I've never left a customer unhappy yet. It appears in aviation if a customer pays for a service its becoming pot luck whether they receive it & are treated with contempt, indifference & disrespect if they complain for not getting the service they deserve.
Maybe that's the difference between you & me & why I work in the job with excellent conditions that I do & you're stuck in the job that you have. Shucks!
Oh & yes I do have sympathy for staff working in aviation but at the rate its going you're running my patience thin.
I did travel bmi once & to be honest with you it was such a bad experience I felt like never travelling with them again. Why you may ask: firstly the male FA giggled & sniggered to himself through the whole safety demonstration.
Secondly I know absentmindedly I left a bottle of wine behind on leaving the aircraft, realised it in the baggage hall & went immediately to the service desk for your airline. The helpful lady phoned through & guess what staff had found my wine & said they would bring it down to me. I waited & waited & waited & guess what the wine never appeared, a member of the staff had the gall to run off with it. Stealing from the customers eh, very professional, unselfish, ethical behaviour, cared alot about the company image then eh.
Okay bmi customer serrvice department did send me a voucher to replace the wine but to be honest with you I'd only ever fly bmi again as a last resort, I've never had to deal with appalling behaviour like this on the much maligned FR.
If what I witnessed by your customer care the one time I flew with you is anything to go by I'm not surprised at your attitude. If I had my choice of any airline BMI would be my last one out of desperation.
Welcome to the real world & the laws of the marketplace. If a customer pays for a product or service they deserve to receive it & if not to be helped around the problem, they do not deserve to be left in the lurch.
If I treated the customers in my company or treated my job with such wholehearted lightness & unprofessionalism as I witnessed in your company I'd be out of a job years ago, I'm actually known for my good customer skills. If a customer buys our product & has problems they are given as much time as they need & are treated with respect, sensitivity & courtesy to sort it out, they are never accused of selfishness because since there a customer I owe them professional courtesy until the problem is solved & they are happy. I've never left a customer unhappy yet. It appears in aviation if a customer pays for a service its becoming pot luck whether they receive it & are treated with contempt, indifference & disrespect if they complain for not getting the service they deserve.
Maybe that's the difference between you & me & why I work in the job with excellent conditions that I do & you're stuck in the job that you have. Shucks!
Oh & yes I do have sympathy for staff working in aviation but at the rate its going you're running my patience thin.
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Fester T Adams i don't see wots your problem. All the time ive flown with bmi, to ORD,IAD and LHR this year, i've had excellent service both ways!
bmi is airline of the 21st Century. I love bmi to bits, so to see them on strike will be dissapointing, but to you bmi pilots, i understand that the rise is unnaceptable. Bishop and the guys need to reward you for the job. You do outstanding jwork, which i'm allways proud to be in the back, when a bmi pilot is in the front.
All the best with the protest, but please don't destroy my favourite airline please
bmi is airline of the 21st Century. I love bmi to bits, so to see them on strike will be dissapointing, but to you bmi pilots, i understand that the rise is unnaceptable. Bishop and the guys need to reward you for the job. You do outstanding jwork, which i'm allways proud to be in the back, when a bmi pilot is in the front.
All the best with the protest, but please don't destroy my favourite airline please
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Fester is a Pester
It might be an idea for everybody to ignore Fester. His "agent provocateur" role has been observed elsewhere. He contributes little and understands less. Whatever he is, he is not as he represents himself.
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No, I don'[t think Fester can imagine being in our position...
He has made remarks that identify him as a real selfish tit, uninterested in anything but his travel plans, in another thread.
If he's not worried/bothered whether he flies with people who aren't paid a fair wage for a fair days work then I doubt anything we can say here will make any difference...
Good luck bmi, get what you deserve!
He has made remarks that identify him as a real selfish tit, uninterested in anything but his travel plans, in another thread.
If he's not worried/bothered whether he flies with people who aren't paid a fair wage for a fair days work then I doubt anything we can say here will make any difference...
Good luck bmi, get what you deserve!
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Try telling someone who cares about your poxy bottle on wine, this forum is not for moaning pax!!!!! it is about bmi pilots RIGHT to stike for better terms and conditions which they deserve.
BMI is an excellent airline with exception staff on the front line.
Simple as that!!!
Try telling someone who cares about your poxy bottle on wine, this forum is not for moaning pax!!!!! it is about bmi pilots RIGHT to stike for better terms and conditions which they deserve.
BMI is an excellent airline with exception staff on the front line.
Simple as that!!!
Fester T. Whatever-you-call-yourself
It's actually pretty obvious that a possible bmi pilots' strike won't affect you then, will it ?
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Why are we all fighting about this. It occurs to me we should be standing together on this issue. We both have the same enemy, airline management. Many airline companies have unhappy employees because of the way management treat them. Callous & indifferent as you employees perceive many pax to be to your situation for me & I'm sure many others this is not true. We are well away that there is gross mismanagement in many airlines, abuse of power & privileges & creaming it off at the top while the average worker is worked half to death at all hours of day & night without adequate renumeration & that their working conditions & rights are being constantly eroded.
But what is the pax supposed to do if they want to be guaranteed to get where there going remotely on time if not at all, a not too unreasonable request if you ask me. As it is I'm already thinking strongly about boycotting one airline because of the appaling way I know management bully & treat their staff so contrary to your beliefs I do care.
So what other options do we have:
1) Boycott every airline that we're aware has poor mgt/staff relations; by the looks of things we're not going to have many if any left to fly with.
2) Stay in our own country & for pleasure & business opt for the ferry to take us to Britain & the continent that's of course when the're not striking too.
Neither option for obvious reasons appears practical. It appears as I've said that neither the staff or the pax are in the wrong in these situations but both of us are suffering at the hands of corrupt, inept management. We should be sticking together to get a solution & force airline managements to treat their employees correctly & not be at each others throats on this issue.
Why are we all fighting about this. It occurs to me we should be standing together on this issue. We both have the same enemy, airline management. Many airline companies have unhappy employees because of the way management treat them. Callous & indifferent as you employees perceive many pax to be to your situation for me & I'm sure many others this is not true. We are well away that there is gross mismanagement in many airlines, abuse of power & privileges & creaming it off at the top while the average worker is worked half to death at all hours of day & night without adequate renumeration & that their working conditions & rights are being constantly eroded.
But what is the pax supposed to do if they want to be guaranteed to get where there going remotely on time if not at all, a not too unreasonable request if you ask me. As it is I'm already thinking strongly about boycotting one airline because of the appaling way I know management bully & treat their staff so contrary to your beliefs I do care.
So what other options do we have:
1) Boycott every airline that we're aware has poor mgt/staff relations; by the looks of things we're not going to have many if any left to fly with.
2) Stay in our own country & for pleasure & business opt for the ferry to take us to Britain & the continent that's of course when the're not striking too.
Neither option for obvious reasons appears practical. It appears as I've said that neither the staff or the pax are in the wrong in these situations but both of us are suffering at the hands of corrupt, inept management. We should be sticking together to get a solution & force airline managements to treat their employees correctly & not be at each others throats on this issue.
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Fester Rises again
Fester a direct question for you, since you keep coming back where you are not wanted: are you a non-pilot employee of Ryanair? I'd appreciate a direct answer.
Apart from answering that, please go away. You are not part of "we".
Apart from answering that, please go away. You are not part of "we".
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There you go I try to be fair & that's what I get!
No, I do not work for FR or anyother airline, what is happening now in the airlines re: staff treatment was perceived & predicted by me ages ago & I decided to opt for a different industry with excellent conditions & renumeration in which I'm very happy. As I've said you make your bed, you lie in it.
Have a nice life.
No, I do not work for FR or anyother airline, what is happening now in the airlines re: staff treatment was perceived & predicted by me ages ago & I decided to opt for a different industry with excellent conditions & renumeration in which I'm very happy. As I've said you make your bed, you lie in it.
Have a nice life.