bmi strike?
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Not that "old" memo again. It's been around as long as I can remember and is not that confidential.
There's going to be a big hike in gas, electricity and water next year, plus the present increase in cost of petrol. So, if you want to restore your standard of living I'm afraid you will have to accept the inevitable.
There was a first officer, many moons ago, with a large family receiving supplimentary benefit before a decent pay rise was extracted from the company by BALPA.
MP
Not that "old" memo again. It's been around as long as I can remember and is not that confidential.
There's going to be a big hike in gas, electricity and water next year, plus the present increase in cost of petrol. So, if you want to restore your standard of living I'm afraid you will have to accept the inevitable.
There was a first officer, many moons ago, with a large family receiving supplimentary benefit before a decent pay rise was extracted from the company by BALPA.
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I hear that the latest is that captains only will be able to apply for voluntary redundancy and that the union are going for a compromise deal. Useless as ever. The company treat the pilots like they do because they let them. Time to stick up for yourselves or lose all credibility and any chance of comparability with other airlines. Wonder who'll get a management post out of this one? Cynic? Me?
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If that were true I would see that as a good move. Surely it is better for a number of the higher salaried captains who have had enough to retire voluntarily, than yet more of the junior FO's at the bottom of the list go involuntarily this winter ?
It would also help the chronic Capt/FO imbalance the company has, and cut down on the number of two Captain crews flying.
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It would also help the chronic Capt/FO imbalance the company has, and cut down on the number of two Captain crews flying.
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karaoke thinks that it's a good idea to get rid of the most experienced Captains and retain the most inexperienced F/Os.
He/she must be in management! Cost more important than safety and quality. Drive the experience level down at every opportunity. "We're insured. We kill a few passengers through inexperience. So what?"
Don't expect me to passenger with an airline staffed by 2000 flying hour boys and girls in their mid twenties!
Fuzzy112 seems to have had his/her eyes closed for the last few centuries! One of the historical routes to management is by sitting opposite them in union/management meetings. Selling your colleagues down the river usually works very well (suitable rewards agreed beforehand, of course).
Finally (until more drivel forces me to speak out again) have you lot told bmi what rise you actually do want? If you have, then stick to it. If you have'nt, then that's the most fundamental blunder! bmi will just keep coming back with new offers, which are still way short. There'll be lots of ballots and it'll drag on for months. Everyone will get fed up and the last offer will be taken.
Classic ploy and I wonder if you're falling for it!
As per my first post, you lot don't stand a chance!
He/she must be in management! Cost more important than safety and quality. Drive the experience level down at every opportunity. "We're insured. We kill a few passengers through inexperience. So what?"
Don't expect me to passenger with an airline staffed by 2000 flying hour boys and girls in their mid twenties!
Fuzzy112 seems to have had his/her eyes closed for the last few centuries! One of the historical routes to management is by sitting opposite them in union/management meetings. Selling your colleagues down the river usually works very well (suitable rewards agreed beforehand, of course).
Finally (until more drivel forces me to speak out again) have you lot told bmi what rise you actually do want? If you have, then stick to it. If you have'nt, then that's the most fundamental blunder! bmi will just keep coming back with new offers, which are still way short. There'll be lots of ballots and it'll drag on for months. Everyone will get fed up and the last offer will be taken.
Classic ploy and I wonder if you're falling for it!
As per my first post, you lot don't stand a chance!
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"We're insured. We kill a few passengers through inexperience. So what?" Don't expect me to passenger with an airline staffed by 2000 flying hour boys and girls in their mid twenties!"
What are you suggesting?
Only fly with airline who operate a two captain flight deck?
2000 hour first officers are not safe and shouldn't be allowed to sit alongside their captain?
Bmi endanger their passengers with the quality of their flight crew???
Mate, you should sit in on a sim check and maybe then review your patronising drivel.
By the way, thanks to the unfortunate events of 9/11, Midland has never had such a high experience base
What are you suggesting?
Only fly with airline who operate a two captain flight deck?
2000 hour first officers are not safe and shouldn't be allowed to sit alongside their captain?
Bmi endanger their passengers with the quality of their flight crew???
Mate, you should sit in on a sim check and maybe then review your patronising drivel.
By the way, thanks to the unfortunate events of 9/11, Midland has never had such a high experience base
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Can anyone actually tell me how existing BMI pay compares to BA or ESY (lets say for an FO)? Surely the issue here should not be so much about pay rises, but about pay/conditions comparisons?
More importantly, assuming many of you BMI pilots recently applied for work at BA, what advice would you give to anyone looking to get their first jet job, about applying to BMI? Remember, the choices are BMI or continued unemployment...
[p.s. I am not trying to rattle your cage, I am genuinely interested in getting my first jet job]
More importantly, assuming many of you BMI pilots recently applied for work at BA, what advice would you give to anyone looking to get their first jet job, about applying to BMI? Remember, the choices are BMI or continued unemployment...
[p.s. I am not trying to rattle your cage, I am genuinely interested in getting my first jet job]
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Aloue and teifyboy demonstrate the same trait of either not reading my posts carefully enough to understand them properly, or of possessing insufficient brain cells to formulate a logical reply.
If you lot are all thus handicapped, then this thread is a waste of my time.
bmi management must consider themselves extremely fortunate to have such people as their opponents!
If you lot are all thus handicapped, then this thread is a waste of my time.
bmi management must consider themselves extremely fortunate to have such people as their opponents!
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Val D'Isere is Indeed Superior
Val D'isere - I hope that you will accept my apology for being incapable of following your superiour logic and contribution. I acknowledge my deficiencies in face of your superior skills. However, I am pleased that this thread is a waste of your time, since this may mean that you are going to go away. I repeat my observation that your role here is not constructive and your comments are designed to provoke a reaction which will take us off the subject. So, goodbye and thanks.
I also repeat my suggestion above to other contributiors:
I also repeat my suggestion above to other contributiors:
Could everyone not accept the challenge and agree to ignore all such posts and stick to the subject?
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Maybe its time to get a private forum again to prevent the likes of Val talking bo****ks
If I apply for it will every one(bmi) actually make some use of it.
Post your reply.
Rgds K.I.L.
If I apply for it will every one(bmi) actually make some use of it.
Post your reply.
Rgds K.I.L.
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Fuzzy112
"Wonder who'll get a management post out of this one?"
Hit a nerve did I?
I'm sure history will repeat itself. Every time it comes to pay negotiations, someone sells their soul for their own gain.
As for experienced senior Captains taking a pay off, some maybe, yes, but also a few junior ones too who have yet to play their Virgin/BA cards. That'd be a nice send off for them and cushion the blow of a few years in the right seat.
Val d'Isere says they don't stand a chance. He's got it exactly right and the company know that. BALPA and the Pilots are too weak and won't stand up for themselves. There's already rumours of a compromise deal. All the pilots are doing is compromising themselves by accepting it.
Give yourself an extra 1% by leaving BALPA, and start a new union that will stand its ground. (That should get the blinkered BALPA boys going)
I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. You know, I know, and the company knows that their timid workforce won't strike and will end up getting beaten back by the company stick! Again!
Vote with your feet, look after yourselves. Your company doesn't care. People leave all the time. Do management ever thank them for their contribution or come to wish them well on their last day? Do they b******s! That's what you're up against. A company that doesn't care for or value its most precious resource.
Good luck. You'll need it.
"Wonder who'll get a management post out of this one?"
Hit a nerve did I?
I'm sure history will repeat itself. Every time it comes to pay negotiations, someone sells their soul for their own gain.
As for experienced senior Captains taking a pay off, some maybe, yes, but also a few junior ones too who have yet to play their Virgin/BA cards. That'd be a nice send off for them and cushion the blow of a few years in the right seat.
Val d'Isere says they don't stand a chance. He's got it exactly right and the company know that. BALPA and the Pilots are too weak and won't stand up for themselves. There's already rumours of a compromise deal. All the pilots are doing is compromising themselves by accepting it.
Give yourself an extra 1% by leaving BALPA, and start a new union that will stand its ground. (That should get the blinkered BALPA boys going)
I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. You know, I know, and the company knows that their timid workforce won't strike and will end up getting beaten back by the company stick! Again!
Vote with your feet, look after yourselves. Your company doesn't care. People leave all the time. Do management ever thank them for their contribution or come to wish them well on their last day? Do they b******s! That's what you're up against. A company that doesn't care for or value its most precious resource.
Good luck. You'll need it.
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There already is a private forum and it’s still running but you have to go to the control panel to view posts.
If you’re not registered it was run by Fadec Primary Chanel.
I’m afraid many of the posts are becoming very tedious. I think the union has put a lot of effort in and it is a disgrace that we have to get to talk of destructive industrial action just to get the management to listen to some very constructive ideas.
I hope there is a positive outcome for everyone, but I’m sure there is enough happiness out there to upset some people if not
MR
If you’re not registered it was run by Fadec Primary Chanel.
I’m afraid many of the posts are becoming very tedious. I think the union has put a lot of effort in and it is a disgrace that we have to get to talk of destructive industrial action just to get the management to listen to some very constructive ideas.
I hope there is a positive outcome for everyone, but I’m sure there is enough happiness out there to upset some people if not
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Hit a nerve did I?
Give yourself an extra 1% by leaving BALPA, and start a new union that will stand its ground
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There already is a private forum and it’s still running but you have to go to the control panel to view posts.
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Fuzzy112
Who's the idiot? I take home more than an equivalent BALPA member whatever the figures. Why would I want to keep up to date with an outdated, ineffective organisation? Let alone pay for it? I get far better legal protection at a fraction of the cost elsewhere. Doesn't seem like I'm the idiot in this case does it? My point was, BALPA have never come up with the goods for bmi in pay deals and in certain legal instances haven't either. Instances where others clearly have. Looks like I did hit that nerve after all by your riled response!
Who's the idiot? I take home more than an equivalent BALPA member whatever the figures. Why would I want to keep up to date with an outdated, ineffective organisation? Let alone pay for it? I get far better legal protection at a fraction of the cost elsewhere. Doesn't seem like I'm the idiot in this case does it? My point was, BALPA have never come up with the goods for bmi in pay deals and in certain legal instances haven't either. Instances where others clearly have. Looks like I did hit that nerve after all by your riled response!
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Try and keep up jetset. Your comments might have had some validity a few years ago but they don't anymore. You are living in the past.
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