European Aviation Problems (Merged)
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I worked for them in Filton in ops and crew control and then when they moved to BOH. I have to say that the people who did the donkey work ie Ops/Crewing (what existed of it!) and flight crew were the most professional people I'd ever worked with, until it came to anyone with a management title.
I wont go into why I 'left' the company, but I will not break the law for anyone!! Being forced to give up your career or upsetting the CAA??? There's a question. I have a concience.
Yes I did go down the road of an industrial tribunal but the aviation industry is a small one and decided it wasn't worth the agro as it was a period in my life I would quite happily forget!
Its a sad state of affairs and I hope for the real people in the airline they get it sorted.
So what comes around-goes around!!
I wont go into why I 'left' the company, but I will not break the law for anyone!! Being forced to give up your career or upsetting the CAA??? There's a question. I have a concience.
Yes I did go down the road of an industrial tribunal but the aviation industry is a small one and decided it wasn't worth the agro as it was a period in my life I would quite happily forget!
Its a sad state of affairs and I hope for the real people in the airline they get it sorted.
So what comes around-goes around!!
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I think you will find that EAAC are far from over. This weekend they are flying 6, yes six, 737s and 1 747.
Would this really be happening if they were on the brink? By all accounts new work is appearing daily. They are far from out of the woods but they can now see the light.
It would be nice to see kind words on this site for a company that has been through the mill rather than all the bitchiness that is around. Before you try and shoot me down in flames, I am an ex-employee who is still owed money, which I am very confident i will get, and I wish all the best to those remaining. Long may they prosper.
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I think you will find that EAAC are far from over. This weekend they are flying 6, yes six, 737s and 1 747.
Would this really be happening if they were on the brink? By all accounts new work is appearing daily. They are far from out of the woods but they can now see the light.
It would be nice to see kind words on this site for a company that has been through the mill rather than all the bitchiness that is around. Before you try and shoot me down in flames, I am an ex-employee who is still owed money, which I am very confident i will get, and I wish all the best to those remaining. Long may they prosper.
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Perhaps then they should be paying the unsecured creditors more than the 6% of monnies owed that they will be recieving under the CVA...
Smell the coffee...and it stinks real bad
Smell the coffee...and it stinks real bad
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And how is British Midland? You made sure you got out before it all went belly up didn't you? Being in a management position and getting information from Blakey certainly helped you find something in plenty of time. The 737's had plenty of work in the pipeline before 17th March and there was work for 1 or 2 747's but it still went under. And weren't you the one who decided how many crews we needed? Someone got their arithmetic very badly wrong.
And I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am wrong but don't the 747's belong to European Skybus now?? Is the profit from that company going to Moore Stephens to pay our wages???????
And how is British Midland? You made sure you got out before it all went belly up didn't you? Being in a management position and getting information from Blakey certainly helped you find something in plenty of time. The 737's had plenty of work in the pipeline before 17th March and there was work for 1 or 2 747's but it still went under. And weren't you the one who decided how many crews we needed? Someone got their arithmetic very badly wrong.
And I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am wrong but don't the 747's belong to European Skybus now?? Is the profit from that company going to Moore Stephens to pay our wages???????
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I've not even read the previous 29 pages but just want to address the people I met in the hotel in Jeddah during the Hajj.
I am sorry that your misgivings were so accurate. I was told that the Hajj aircraft had a 100% record, so it obviously could be done.
The crews were most unimpressed with the airline management and as history proved it was well-founded.
Good luck all of you and it was a real pleasure to talk to so many Brits I'd known in previous lives.
Hope you get sorted soon.
I am sorry that your misgivings were so accurate. I was told that the Hajj aircraft had a 100% record, so it obviously could be done.
The crews were most unimpressed with the airline management and as history proved it was well-founded.
Good luck all of you and it was a real pleasure to talk to so many Brits I'd known in previous lives.
Hope you get sorted soon.
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Witchway
I suppose you expect a pat on the back for deducing who I am, not! I make no secret of my identity under this profile, I created it so that people would know who I am and my new job is very good thanks.
The timing of me leaving was coincidental. If I was subject to inside information then do you not think I would have left immediately upon tendering my resignation rather than waiting until 5 days before everything went awry? I had enough leave to go straight away but stayed so as not to leave the company in the lurch. As a result I have not received my final salary nor any other outstanding payments. Do you think I would be in this position if I were subject to inside information? Please also bear in mind that if I had still been at European I may have been one of the lucky ones!
I spent 2 very enjoyable years at European and was very sad to leave but I did so for family reasons not because they were in trouble, if I was going to do that I would have gone Orange last year.
Now that I have stated my case please let me make one other thing clear. The remaining staff at EAAC deserve all the support they can get. The bitterness that appears on this site was understandable a month ago when the redundancies were made but now it is time to get on with your life. To pay the staff all they are owed the company has to generate so money, so they need to fly. If they do not then we will get ****** all except the pittance the government will pay. Of this I am quite confident.
Although European Skybus have purchased, as part of the CVA, the remaining assets of EAAC, the company is still trading under that name and all profits go to the supervising agent, Moore Stephens, to distribute to the creditors. The preferential creditors, Inland revenue, Customs and excise, social security, pension schemes, employees wages, all of which can be found on http://www.insolvency.co.uk/legal/p2...htm#schedule6, will get paid from this money over the period of 15 months.
Boss Raptor
The unsecured creditors agreed to 6% rather than the 0% they would have got if the company had folded, something is better than nothing after all. I really feel for some of these as I had a very good working relationship with them.
Could I point out to everyone that the majority of American carriers went into Chapter 11 after 9/11 and this was perfectly acceptable yet EAAC are being slated for surviving! What is the difference?
Finally I wish all the best to the staff who remained at EAAC, long may they prosper, and to those who unfortunately did not, may they all move on to greener pastures. But please stop slagging them off.
witchway - Alex is right, come out and tell us who you are, unless you are frightened that is. We will find out eventually.
CD
I suppose you expect a pat on the back for deducing who I am, not! I make no secret of my identity under this profile, I created it so that people would know who I am and my new job is very good thanks.
The timing of me leaving was coincidental. If I was subject to inside information then do you not think I would have left immediately upon tendering my resignation rather than waiting until 5 days before everything went awry? I had enough leave to go straight away but stayed so as not to leave the company in the lurch. As a result I have not received my final salary nor any other outstanding payments. Do you think I would be in this position if I were subject to inside information? Please also bear in mind that if I had still been at European I may have been one of the lucky ones!
I spent 2 very enjoyable years at European and was very sad to leave but I did so for family reasons not because they were in trouble, if I was going to do that I would have gone Orange last year.
Now that I have stated my case please let me make one other thing clear. The remaining staff at EAAC deserve all the support they can get. The bitterness that appears on this site was understandable a month ago when the redundancies were made but now it is time to get on with your life. To pay the staff all they are owed the company has to generate so money, so they need to fly. If they do not then we will get ****** all except the pittance the government will pay. Of this I am quite confident.
Although European Skybus have purchased, as part of the CVA, the remaining assets of EAAC, the company is still trading under that name and all profits go to the supervising agent, Moore Stephens, to distribute to the creditors. The preferential creditors, Inland revenue, Customs and excise, social security, pension schemes, employees wages, all of which can be found on http://www.insolvency.co.uk/legal/p2...htm#schedule6, will get paid from this money over the period of 15 months.
Boss Raptor
The unsecured creditors agreed to 6% rather than the 0% they would have got if the company had folded, something is better than nothing after all. I really feel for some of these as I had a very good working relationship with them.
Could I point out to everyone that the majority of American carriers went into Chapter 11 after 9/11 and this was perfectly acceptable yet EAAC are being slated for surviving! What is the difference?
Finally I wish all the best to the staff who remained at EAAC, long may they prosper, and to those who unfortunately did not, may they all move on to greener pastures. But please stop slagging them off.
witchway - Alex is right, come out and tell us who you are, unless you are frightened that is. We will find out eventually.
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It appears a large number of unsecured creditors have effectively subsidised/bankrolled the last months of EAAC and lost a large sum of money. For some this in itself will cause them problems financially and may cause them to go under as a result...
Whilst we should be pleased that at least EAAC staff will be paid what they are owed dont expect any enthusiasm or support from those creditors or the industry for the continued operation of EAAC whilst it lines the pockets of Stoddard and his cronies...suggest EAAC staff who haven't realised the implications for those outside consider/realise that some staff of third party organisations (that may well have enabled them to be employed as long as they were) might not have a long term future as a result of this debacle
Whilst we should be pleased that at least EAAC staff will be paid what they are owed dont expect any enthusiasm or support from those creditors or the industry for the continued operation of EAAC whilst it lines the pockets of Stoddard and his cronies...suggest EAAC staff who haven't realised the implications for those outside consider/realise that some staff of third party organisations (that may well have enabled them to be employed as long as they were) might not have a long term future as a result of this debacle
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Boss Raptor
I am sure there are many ex-European staff like myself who have given a great deal of thought to the companies who could or have gone under as a result of this mess. This sort of thing has a knock on effect that many don't think about.
It may be an awful thing to say but I think stoddy, blakey and the others should be brought to book over this and hopefully there is an organisation out there who can do that so that they can't do this again.
Crewing Doctor
Does it really matter who I am? This is a forum to express ourselves and that is what I am doing. Whether or not you all agree with me is neither here nor there. I disagree with much of what I have read but I will not change my view. The company was badly mismanaged and with the remaining management structure nothing will change.
If the company had been more sympathetic on 17th March we would not be posting these negative views. We are just returning the favour!
I am sure there are many ex-European staff like myself who have given a great deal of thought to the companies who could or have gone under as a result of this mess. This sort of thing has a knock on effect that many don't think about.
It may be an awful thing to say but I think stoddy, blakey and the others should be brought to book over this and hopefully there is an organisation out there who can do that so that they can't do this again.
Crewing Doctor
Does it really matter who I am? This is a forum to express ourselves and that is what I am doing. Whether or not you all agree with me is neither here nor there. I disagree with much of what I have read but I will not change my view. The company was badly mismanaged and with the remaining management structure nothing will change.
If the company had been more sympathetic on 17th March we would not be posting these negative views. We are just returning the favour!
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This company was not mis managed it appears that it was managed to make certain people money. Has for the cannon fodder (employees) you were all destined to be shafted and any of you that had misconceived ideas of any thing different were just lambs for the slaughter.
If you think that it could never happen to you should look at UK aviation history Cougar, British world, Excalibur Orion to name a few. Hoping to get your money owed I suspect that you are in for a long wait so you might as well put this one down to experience and get on with life and move forward.
If you want justice and retribution then hang in but dont hold you breath for a quick settlement. Maybe a better method would be to kick the living cr@p out of the people involved. (could affect future decision making) Won't solve anything for yourself, but could give you some personal satisfaction as long as you are willing to accept the consequences of your action
If you think that it could never happen to you should look at UK aviation history Cougar, British world, Excalibur Orion to name a few. Hoping to get your money owed I suspect that you are in for a long wait so you might as well put this one down to experience and get on with life and move forward.
If you want justice and retribution then hang in but dont hold you breath for a quick settlement. Maybe a better method would be to kick the living cr@p out of the people involved. (could affect future decision making) Won't solve anything for yourself, but could give you some personal satisfaction as long as you are willing to accept the consequences of your action
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Can all of you who are so adamant that you will get nothing please let Moore Stephens know so they can ensure that you are not dissapointed. That way the more optimistic of us will get more sooner.
witchway
if the company was badly mismanaged why did you return after previously being made redundant?
Surely not - thanks very much, life is good at home.
Boss Raptor
I feel for those creditors who are in financial difficulties due to the situation at EAAC. I worked very closely with some of them and sincerely hope that they survive. I do agree that the 6% they will receive is a pittance but taking down EAAC would get them nothing and in my book 6% is better than nothing after all it was not long ago I beleived myself to be in this catagory.
On the subject of Stephen Woodland, he was never a real director, neither were the Flight Ops Director, HR Director, or Training Director, however he installed himself as the Chief Operating Officer and from that position of power brought the company to its knees. He tried very hard to become a real director so that he cold 'take PGS on' but fortunately those in that position resisited or the company would be in an even worse state.
Good luck to one and all even witchway as I did not dislike you as much as you appear to do me!
witchway
if the company was badly mismanaged why did you return after previously being made redundant?
Surely not - thanks very much, life is good at home.
Boss Raptor
I feel for those creditors who are in financial difficulties due to the situation at EAAC. I worked very closely with some of them and sincerely hope that they survive. I do agree that the 6% they will receive is a pittance but taking down EAAC would get them nothing and in my book 6% is better than nothing after all it was not long ago I beleived myself to be in this catagory.
On the subject of Stephen Woodland, he was never a real director, neither were the Flight Ops Director, HR Director, or Training Director, however he installed himself as the Chief Operating Officer and from that position of power brought the company to its knees. He tried very hard to become a real director so that he cold 'take PGS on' but fortunately those in that position resisited or the company would be in an even worse state.
Good luck to one and all even witchway as I did not dislike you as much as you appear to do me!