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I have a very good sense of humour but have pushed it beyond my limit!
Defamation of character (you made my name public on this forum and then attacked me) and slander are uppermost in my mind right now.
I have to think long and hard about what I am going to do next, but I shall certainly be taking advice.
Untill then, I shall make no more contributions to this topic.
I have a very good sense of humour but have pushed it beyond my limit!
Defamation of character (you made my name public on this forum and then attacked me) and slander are uppermost in my mind right now.
I have to think long and hard about what I am going to do next, but I shall certainly be taking advice.
Untill then, I shall make no more contributions to this topic.
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I was about to attend an interview with with your lot but after reading the posts on this forum I think I might cancel. This is no place for this sort of dirty laundry!
I can't believe some of the comments on this forum, frankly it does not sound very professional!
I was about to attend an interview with with your lot but after reading the posts on this forum I think I might cancel. This is no place for this sort of dirty laundry!
I can't believe some of the comments on this forum, frankly it does not sound very professional!
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Ladies & Gentlemen ( and i strongly suspect it is the latter ), firstly you do have a private forum where you might wish to continue this private squabbling. Secondly you cannot use real names on this public forum. I appreciate there are a small smattering of Christian names ( real or not ?) which may not exactly constitute naming, however it is NOT permitted !
Since this subject is being aired and is clearly of interest to many I am letting it continue with some very minor edits. I dont want to receive any more justified complaints on this thread, nor do I intend to debate this decision. Get the subject back on thread and self moderate within the accepted rules or it will be closed and removed !
Since this subject is being aired and is clearly of interest to many I am letting it continue with some very minor edits. I dont want to receive any more justified complaints on this thread, nor do I intend to debate this decision. Get the subject back on thread and self moderate within the accepted rules or it will be closed and removed !
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Spy, I'm sorry you feel that way. With one notable exception, the guys at easyJet are a superb bunch, loads of experience and very pleasant to work with. While it may be true that the company does have some lifestyle issues and some of the benefits could be improved, some of us are working very hard to see this improvement happen. One day, if we are successful, it may even be an excellent company to work for. Do not let the sad gruntings of MJBD put you off what could one day be an excellent career choice.
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Klink,
Lets just get the record straight here.
You go on about being professional etc.
Sadly ,regarding Rostering you approved the previous talks which were conducted early.
Therefore from this information I am afraid myself and others do not hold out much hope for your new talks.
I have asked repeatedly for your full proposal but to no avail!
Flaps1,
If you read the above your name was not mentioned.{check the spelling}.
Also as I said earlier I was only joking!
Spy,
The poor rostering and crewing within easyjet has been going on for years.
This must be sorted shortly!
1 Because what is presently in place is unacceptable to over 800 pilots within the company with further growth planned.
The company has a horredous sickness rate!
2 Long term easyjet cannot seriously be considered a career airline.{5/6 years at the most with the present system in place!}.
3 The above are points you may want to ask at your interview.
4 Do us all a favour and tell us the outcome.
Ps Klink and Flaps1 can now celebrate because I have nothing further to say.
Good luck with the talks!{SURPRISE US}.
Lets just get the record straight here.
You go on about being professional etc.
Sadly ,regarding Rostering you approved the previous talks which were conducted early.
Therefore from this information I am afraid myself and others do not hold out much hope for your new talks.
I have asked repeatedly for your full proposal but to no avail!
Flaps1,
If you read the above your name was not mentioned.{check the spelling}.
Also as I said earlier I was only joking!
Spy,
The poor rostering and crewing within easyjet has been going on for years.
This must be sorted shortly!
1 Because what is presently in place is unacceptable to over 800 pilots within the company with further growth planned.
The company has a horredous sickness rate!
2 Long term easyjet cannot seriously be considered a career airline.{5/6 years at the most with the present system in place!}.
3 The above are points you may want to ask at your interview.
4 Do us all a favour and tell us the outcome.
Ps Klink and Flaps1 can now celebrate because I have nothing further to say.
Good luck with the talks!{SURPRISE US}.
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I have just come across this thread and I cannot believe what I have read!!! MJBD you are a complete @rse - unprofessional, childish and clearly lacking in common decency. Your attacks on the Chairman and other members of the BALPA council are disgraceful.
As an easyJet pilot I am ashamed to have you as a collegue and hope that you leave us very soon.
As an easyJet pilot I am ashamed to have you as a collegue and hope that you leave us very soon.
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Gentlemen,
Those of you that do and don't support Balpa, like me must be ashamed to work with a certain individual. This mis-use of Pprune to air some unpleasant and unpopular views with such disrespect to others has gone on long enough, and I for one refuse to give him the satisfaction of my reading this filth any longer. I suggest respectfully, let us "retire" this thread, and not give him a chance to waste our time any further. Balpa members: please visit our new easyJet Members forum on the Balpa website, ASAP. It's up and running, and you will find all the news there.
To the rest: we hope you join us soon,
Regards,
MS.
Those of you that do and don't support Balpa, like me must be ashamed to work with a certain individual. This mis-use of Pprune to air some unpleasant and unpopular views with such disrespect to others has gone on long enough, and I for one refuse to give him the satisfaction of my reading this filth any longer. I suggest respectfully, let us "retire" this thread, and not give him a chance to waste our time any further. Balpa members: please visit our new easyJet Members forum on the Balpa website, ASAP. It's up and running, and you will find all the news there.
To the rest: we hope you join us soon,
Regards,
MS.
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Please do not close this thread down. Here in the West we advocate the right to free speech. EasyJet do not have anything to hide , so why censor. Let the debate run but edit the defammation if you need to.I am a BALPA member at easyJet and I agree with a lot of what MJBD says , but perhaps not his delivery. I also have enourmous respect for "Klinky" and all members of the CC, MC,KC et al. It may be unwise to wash our laundry on a public forum but perhaps it will have a long term positive effect for current EJ pilots if we cannot recruit. I do not know but I feel pressure is needed at board level to improve our lot and I think the CC , instead of taking offence at the dog, should perhaps convey his feelings and effects to the board through the auspices of the CC. After all , if he paid subs, they would have to represent his views!!!
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Hear hear, twinjet! Things are improving, but maybe not as quickly as mjbd would like!
It will be interesting to see how easyJet will crew Berlin; they were hoping to employ all the Aero Lloyd pilots, but maybe Mr Lauda has other ideas!
It will be interesting to see how easyJet will crew Berlin; they were hoping to employ all the Aero Lloyd pilots, but maybe Mr Lauda has other ideas!
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Max Autobrake , easyJet will crew Berlin like they crew any other base, i.e. pilots employed on a British contract and volunteering to be based there. Don't think there'll be any problem , there isn't exactly a shortage out there.
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Also heard of an astonishing lack of response.
I think that there might be some problems being permanently (not temp)employed in another country like Tax - easyjet have this problem now in France I been told but are doing the usual head in sand and hope it goes away.
I also hope this isn't closed as it gives everyone an indication of what goes on in easyjet. mjbd has a major style problem and I strongly disassociate myself with his personal attacks on some other individuals but some of what he says is right such as; -
The poor rostering and crewing within easyjet has been going on for years.
This must be sorted shortly!
1 Because what is presently in place is unacceptable to over 800 pilots within the company with further growth planned.
The company has a horredous sickness rate!
2 Long term easyjet cannot seriously be considered a career airline.{5/6 years at the most with the present system in place!}.
Commendable as the efforts of the PC might be, I don't think they'll get anything really significant sorted.
I think that there might be some problems being permanently (not temp)employed in another country like Tax - easyjet have this problem now in France I been told but are doing the usual head in sand and hope it goes away.
I also hope this isn't closed as it gives everyone an indication of what goes on in easyjet. mjbd has a major style problem and I strongly disassociate myself with his personal attacks on some other individuals but some of what he says is right such as; -
The poor rostering and crewing within easyjet has been going on for years.
This must be sorted shortly!
1 Because what is presently in place is unacceptable to over 800 pilots within the company with further growth planned.
The company has a horredous sickness rate!
2 Long term easyjet cannot seriously be considered a career airline.{5/6 years at the most with the present system in place!}.
Commendable as the efforts of the PC might be, I don't think they'll get anything really significant sorted.
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Forgive me but I'm realtively new to this thread and the tone of some of the discussion is acidic!!!
I don't understand something...maybe you guys can help.
If the crewing etc an easy is so bad, and the balpa guys are trying to fix it..........why are you knocking them back so much? It seems that they say they are trying to put right almost all of the things you moan about so that's a good thing isn't it?
Would it not be sensible to see how they get on and then criticise?
Im not balpa - well i'm not in an airline yet!!! but i think that I would try to support guys working to make life better for me rather than beating them up every time they say something.
I don't understand something...maybe you guys can help.
If the crewing etc an easy is so bad, and the balpa guys are trying to fix it..........why are you knocking them back so much? It seems that they say they are trying to put right almost all of the things you moan about so that's a good thing isn't it?
Would it not be sensible to see how they get on and then criticise?
Im not balpa - well i'm not in an airline yet!!! but i think that I would try to support guys working to make life better for me rather than beating them up every time they say something.
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Please please dont shut down this thread its highly entertaining and puts my problems in perspective.
No wonder we need CRM to get on.
Every thread turns into a pissingcontest or slag off.
More of it I say.
Your Bird Major
No wonder we need CRM to get on.
Every thread turns into a pissingcontest or slag off.
More of it I say.
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The reason I am sceptical about the PC's chances of changing things is because there is no will on the part of the management to bring about any meaningful change. The PC try hard so fair play to them but they are at present relatively new to the game. This is part of easyjet culture. There has been a PC for years and BALPA have been involved for about 2 years. What happens is that every coupled of years the guys on the PC get exhausted for having tried so hard for so long with no real progress they stand down and get replaced by some new entusiastic chaps like what we have now. The game starts again and easyjet can reel out the same old excuses and game plans. Full marks to the chaps for trying but realistically I expect them to get very little and in a couple of years they'll be standing down due to frustration/exhaustion and someone else will appear bright and bushy tailed to take over. Another reason for scepticism is the fact that the last Chair of the PC stood down as he was going for a senior management position which had become available. You only have to read some of the postings by PC members on here to see what I'm getting at. Some of them read like Company newsletters from spin city.
Maintaining the status quo is heralded by BALPA as a great success because they have there own agenda to increase membership. For example, not so long ago without notice the Company which regards us as there greatest asset withdrew the crew water. For our 10 hour plus Flt Duty periiods we are supposed to bring our own or we can buy water from the on board sales (assuming that there is any left) - who needs water in the dry atmosphere of an aeroplane for 10 hours anyway - aircrew aren't special - they can buy it like the rest of us blah blah orange blah. Well along comes the cavalry in the form of the PC and after a couple of days the water is restored (just as long as you'don't have too much of it). Great success! (NB I seem to recall about a year earlier there was similar incident so the Company will keep trying and one day .................)
I strongly disassociate myself from mjbd's pesonal attacks but some of his views are correct. eaysjet is not a career airline. There are plenty of chaps relatively new for whom it is a first EFIS jet or first airline. The enthusiasm usually lasts 6 months to 2 years. Talk to some of the chaps who've been here for 5 years plus. Almost all of them are anti and bitter and knackered many have had to go part time as the only way to maintain there lifestyle/personal relationships is to give up some pay for more time off (part time work equals part time pay).
The sickness rate is high and that is partly due to low morale and partly because we are all knackered.
Maintaining the status quo is heralded by BALPA as a great success because they have there own agenda to increase membership. For example, not so long ago without notice the Company which regards us as there greatest asset withdrew the crew water. For our 10 hour plus Flt Duty periiods we are supposed to bring our own or we can buy water from the on board sales (assuming that there is any left) - who needs water in the dry atmosphere of an aeroplane for 10 hours anyway - aircrew aren't special - they can buy it like the rest of us blah blah orange blah. Well along comes the cavalry in the form of the PC and after a couple of days the water is restored (just as long as you'don't have too much of it). Great success! (NB I seem to recall about a year earlier there was similar incident so the Company will keep trying and one day .................)
I strongly disassociate myself from mjbd's pesonal attacks but some of his views are correct. eaysjet is not a career airline. There are plenty of chaps relatively new for whom it is a first EFIS jet or first airline. The enthusiasm usually lasts 6 months to 2 years. Talk to some of the chaps who've been here for 5 years plus. Almost all of them are anti and bitter and knackered many have had to go part time as the only way to maintain there lifestyle/personal relationships is to give up some pay for more time off (part time work equals part time pay).
The sickness rate is high and that is partly due to low morale and partly because we are all knackered.
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Thanks.
a post with some explanation at last!
What i dont understand is that if the company removed your water and your balpa team stepped in and stopped it, isnt it a good job they were there?
Maybe if they hadnt been there the company would have just done it anyway. What could happen then?
How often do other union teams (in other companys) change? It seems a good idea to change the faces regularly to keep up the motivation and enthusiasm.
I used to work (not very long ago) in a different industry where our (small) union seemed to spend a lot of its time fighting to keep things the same. It sounds daft but its better than letting things get worse surely.
Did the guy going for the managment job get it? Just curious.
Thanks.
a post with some explanation at last!
What i dont understand is that if the company removed your water and your balpa team stepped in and stopped it, isnt it a good job they were there?
Maybe if they hadnt been there the company would have just done it anyway. What could happen then?
How often do other union teams (in other companys) change? It seems a good idea to change the faces regularly to keep up the motivation and enthusiasm.
I used to work (not very long ago) in a different industry where our (small) union seemed to spend a lot of its time fighting to keep things the same. It sounds daft but its better than letting things get worse surely.
Did the guy going for the managment job get it? Just curious.
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No he didn't - in fact none of the likely candidates did and it went to a new chap on the block which must irritate the base captains that we thought were in the running for it.
Changing faces every couple of years could be a good plan but here it happens because of shear frustration and exhaustion not because it seems like a good plan.
At present the PC are running around dancing to the CEO's tune and looking at changing the Flt Time rules by which we work. This is another waste of time and diversionary tactic by the company. The idea is that if we are more flexible we can have a 5 and 3 roster pattern. The reality which none of them want to face up to having gone down this road is that there is no way that this Company will give us contractual right to 5 and 3, yet we will contractually have to work to the new time limits. History shows that anything easyjet commit to without being obliged by law to acheive will last about as long as an 18 years old virginity on a Club 18-30 holiday.
Anyway I quite like not having to start before 0600 after a day off - why would we want to change that.
Changing faces every couple of years could be a good plan but here it happens because of shear frustration and exhaustion not because it seems like a good plan.
At present the PC are running around dancing to the CEO's tune and looking at changing the Flt Time rules by which we work. This is another waste of time and diversionary tactic by the company. The idea is that if we are more flexible we can have a 5 and 3 roster pattern. The reality which none of them want to face up to having gone down this road is that there is no way that this Company will give us contractual right to 5 and 3, yet we will contractually have to work to the new time limits. History shows that anything easyjet commit to without being obliged by law to acheive will last about as long as an 18 years old virginity on a Club 18-30 holiday.
Anyway I quite like not having to start before 0600 after a day off - why would we want to change that.
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So he didnt get the job - then why is that still a problem?
Now contracts (general not aviation) is something I do know a lot about.
Surely they cannot cahnge your contact without agreement and that means a vote.
Cant you just vote against it? thats the whole point of having a union otherwise, as someone said before theyd just change it anyway and you would have no say!
Anyone from the easy PC like to comment? I understand union law to say that you could not change contracts without a vote of all members - will you have a vote?
Now contracts (general not aviation) is something I do know a lot about.
Surely they cannot cahnge your contact without agreement and that means a vote.
Cant you just vote against it? thats the whole point of having a union otherwise, as someone said before theyd just change it anyway and you would have no say!
Anyone from the easy PC like to comment? I understand union law to say that you could not change contracts without a vote of all members - will you have a vote?