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Quick question:
Could you confirm if the leave was bought back in August for First Officers as well as Captains.
I thought it was only for Captains but reading your comments I have some doubts now.
Could you confirm if the leave was bought back in August for First Officers as well as Captains.
I thought it was only for Captains but reading your comments I have some doubts now.
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I'm not 100% sure to be honest.
I think it was both, but many more Capts than FOs.
We have had far more FOs than Capts over the last 6 months anyway so it wouldn't really surprise me either way.
I'm not 100% sure to be honest.
I think it was both, but many more Capts than FOs.
We have had far more FOs than Capts over the last 6 months anyway so it wouldn't really surprise me either way.
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LETS GET A FEW THINGS STRAIGHT HERE.
IN THE LAST NEGOTIATIONS BALPA SOLD OUT AND THE ONLY AGREEMENT WAS FOR OVER 60 PILOTS TO GET FULL PAY FOR DOING SWEET FA..NO FLIGHTS OVER FRANCE SO 20 % OF THE WORK FOR 100% PAY WHEREAS NEW CAPTAINS GET 90% PAY FOR 100% WORK.... THE CHIEF NEGOTIATOR IS OVER 60 AND THE OTHER FIVE MEMBERS HAVE ALL SINCE RESIGNED FROM THE COUNCIL...SO DONT WASTE YOUR TIME THERE.
THE CREWS ARE ABSOLUTELY KNACKERED (FLIGHT FROM ATHENS INTERCEPTED BY BELGIAN AIRFORCE F16S WHO COULD NOT WAKE THE CREWS FOR HALF AN HOUR 8 WEEKS AGO AND THERE HAVE BEEN 3 OTHER INCIDENTS OF A SIMILAR NATURE RECENTLY)
GIVING THE CREWS 4 OR 5 EARLIES IS NOT GOING TO HELP BUT THAT MORON RW GOING WITH HIS 300% PAY RISE THIS YEAR WOULD BE A DAMN FINE START.
IN THE LAST NEGOTIATIONS BALPA SOLD OUT AND THE ONLY AGREEMENT WAS FOR OVER 60 PILOTS TO GET FULL PAY FOR DOING SWEET FA..NO FLIGHTS OVER FRANCE SO 20 % OF THE WORK FOR 100% PAY WHEREAS NEW CAPTAINS GET 90% PAY FOR 100% WORK.... THE CHIEF NEGOTIATOR IS OVER 60 AND THE OTHER FIVE MEMBERS HAVE ALL SINCE RESIGNED FROM THE COUNCIL...SO DONT WASTE YOUR TIME THERE.
THE CREWS ARE ABSOLUTELY KNACKERED (FLIGHT FROM ATHENS INTERCEPTED BY BELGIAN AIRFORCE F16S WHO COULD NOT WAKE THE CREWS FOR HALF AN HOUR 8 WEEKS AGO AND THERE HAVE BEEN 3 OTHER INCIDENTS OF A SIMILAR NATURE RECENTLY)
GIVING THE CREWS 4 OR 5 EARLIES IS NOT GOING TO HELP BUT THAT MORON RW GOING WITH HIS 300% PAY RISE THIS YEAR WOULD BE A DAMN FINE START.
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Certainly.
Balpa sold nobody out. When they became involved officially in the negotiations (circa Oct) the offer on the table was dreadful.
The final agreement in Feb, following a genuine threat of industrial action and the personal intervention of the General Secretary, was far from perfect but heaps better than what would have been IMPOSED had nothing been done.
The agreement for pilots aged over 60 is part of an on-going international matter and the subject of an exceedingly long debate here on PPrune. It's totally unfair to single out this issue in the negotiations. This battle still rages on, supported by 26 Balpa company councils around the country, and is far from unique at EZ.
The reference to 'chief negotiator' is, I assume, the Chairman of the council. He is indeed over 60 and has just - as was his stated aim 3 months ago when new council elections took place - stood down. He stayed in post for a couple of extra months to help 'see in' new council members.
The other 5 members of the council involved in the last negotiated agreement have not resigned. 2 of the guys directly involved in all last year's talks are actively involved still in negotiations directly affecting rostering, crewing and FTL matters. Another remains as the current vice chair. 3 new council members were elcted in June.
The intercepted Athens flight - which was widely reported on PPrune - involved an aircraft where the No 1 VHF had developed a rather strange problem in that it randomly changed frequency.
The crew didn't notice that they were off frequency and had consequently failed to respond to a number of ATC calls. THEY WERE NOT ASLEEP. SOPs were changed to include the required monitoring of 121.5 on VHF2 as a result. If they HAD been asleep, the SOP would now reflect the mandatory use of an alarm clock!
I don't know of 3 similar incidents, but 2 other R/T related incidents did involve the same airframe - one of which I was flying!
The technical prob was eventually solved after considerable engineering investigation (blue wire had a cold or something!)
I have no idea what RWs pay rise is this year so that might be right.
If it is 300% I would say that's taking the pi$$!
Certainly.
Balpa sold nobody out. When they became involved officially in the negotiations (circa Oct) the offer on the table was dreadful.
The final agreement in Feb, following a genuine threat of industrial action and the personal intervention of the General Secretary, was far from perfect but heaps better than what would have been IMPOSED had nothing been done.
The agreement for pilots aged over 60 is part of an on-going international matter and the subject of an exceedingly long debate here on PPrune. It's totally unfair to single out this issue in the negotiations. This battle still rages on, supported by 26 Balpa company councils around the country, and is far from unique at EZ.
The reference to 'chief negotiator' is, I assume, the Chairman of the council. He is indeed over 60 and has just - as was his stated aim 3 months ago when new council elections took place - stood down. He stayed in post for a couple of extra months to help 'see in' new council members.
The other 5 members of the council involved in the last negotiated agreement have not resigned. 2 of the guys directly involved in all last year's talks are actively involved still in negotiations directly affecting rostering, crewing and FTL matters. Another remains as the current vice chair. 3 new council members were elcted in June.
The intercepted Athens flight - which was widely reported on PPrune - involved an aircraft where the No 1 VHF had developed a rather strange problem in that it randomly changed frequency.
The crew didn't notice that they were off frequency and had consequently failed to respond to a number of ATC calls. THEY WERE NOT ASLEEP. SOPs were changed to include the required monitoring of 121.5 on VHF2 as a result. If they HAD been asleep, the SOP would now reflect the mandatory use of an alarm clock!
I don't know of 3 similar incidents, but 2 other R/T related incidents did involve the same airframe - one of which I was flying!
The technical prob was eventually solved after considerable engineering investigation (blue wire had a cold or something!)
I have no idea what RWs pay rise is this year so that might be right.
If it is 300% I would say that's taking the pi$$!
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Good response Flaps but you still can't give me one thing where the management have stuck to an agreement with the pilots
Also heard that the crew were'nt asleep but the SOP's were'nt changed as a result of that - they've always been to monitor 121.5 on the spare box so these guys were'nt doing that I presume but getting back to the thread as they were probably totally kn**kered due to the rosters one can feel sorry for them
On the duty time changes (proposed) if I'm not mistaken these discussions have been going on for months and a copy was left in the crewroom so I can assure you I have read it and from what I could see very early starts, 5 days running, 6 sector days and 12 hour flight duties are on the cards - this would be madness.
Thing is though, from what I hear this was not the PCs idea but the PC are once again dancing to RWs tune - we will be stuffed if we do this becos you ca'nt trust them. You just try getting rid of it after 6 months - response will probably be - 'well we've got a few unusual challenges in the next 6 months - markets forces - crew lifestyle will be worse without it you know - viability of the company is at stake - just need to keep the new rules for bit longer - give us a chance to fix the problems - going to bring in some one new - RW is very concerned' and all the other usual b*ll**ks. They had there chance last winter
If we go down this route we are selling out - nothing wrong with CAP371 except that easy don't want to employ the crew number to support there program hence change the rules and get the pilots to work harder ('they're overpaid anyway' and like it or not, that is a quote from an easy manager)
If 5 and 3 is not a contractual right then forget it - ask them now
Also heard that the crew were'nt asleep but the SOP's were'nt changed as a result of that - they've always been to monitor 121.5 on the spare box so these guys were'nt doing that I presume but getting back to the thread as they were probably totally kn**kered due to the rosters one can feel sorry for them
On the duty time changes (proposed) if I'm not mistaken these discussions have been going on for months and a copy was left in the crewroom so I can assure you I have read it and from what I could see very early starts, 5 days running, 6 sector days and 12 hour flight duties are on the cards - this would be madness.
Thing is though, from what I hear this was not the PCs idea but the PC are once again dancing to RWs tune - we will be stuffed if we do this becos you ca'nt trust them. You just try getting rid of it after 6 months - response will probably be - 'well we've got a few unusual challenges in the next 6 months - markets forces - crew lifestyle will be worse without it you know - viability of the company is at stake - just need to keep the new rules for bit longer - give us a chance to fix the problems - going to bring in some one new - RW is very concerned' and all the other usual b*ll**ks. They had there chance last winter
If we go down this route we are selling out - nothing wrong with CAP371 except that easy don't want to employ the crew number to support there program hence change the rules and get the pilots to work harder ('they're overpaid anyway' and like it or not, that is a quote from an easy manager)
If 5 and 3 is not a contractual right then forget it - ask them now
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Well obviouslly I am not going to use my regular name as I know how vindictive Easyjet management are.
Of the original 6 elected members of the PC 5 have resigned and Im glad Mr nest featherer has gone as well... with hopefully his disputed share options.
I heard that the F16 had their afterburners on to try to wake up the crew and only a call from Ops on the SELCAL woke them up..but hey the report will tell the truth
The BALPA deal had nothing in it as far as FTL and the main complaint ...day one 0500 start day 0400 finish day 7 all hammered out tooth and nail by our superb negotiators...as a result the crews are tireder than ever and have another £1000 for summer disruption ,with no family or social life.Well done BALPA ..how many members have resigned since?
Of the original 6 elected members of the PC 5 have resigned and Im glad Mr nest featherer has gone as well... with hopefully his disputed share options.
I heard that the F16 had their afterburners on to try to wake up the crew and only a call from Ops on the SELCAL woke them up..but hey the report will tell the truth
The BALPA deal had nothing in it as far as FTL and the main complaint ...day one 0500 start day 0400 finish day 7 all hammered out tooth and nail by our superb negotiators...as a result the crews are tireder than ever and have another £1000 for summer disruption ,with no family or social life.Well done BALPA ..how many members have resigned since?
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Re 121.5, A NOTAC was issued shortly after the event making this a requirement, which it wasn't before. That was not laid down in any documentation prior to these incidents.
The document found in the crewroom had NOTHING to do with any discussions with the CC and was NEVER put to the council for consideration in that form. It started a huge amount of debate within Balpa members who all got wind of it's contents - all for nothing because it wasn't being considered by the CC for one minute.
So yes it would have been madness - but it wasn't considered. So why do you have a problem with that? I could understand your concern IF the council had given this apparent suggestion any credence.
I can't see how you can say the council are dancing to RWs tune. If that were the case would not the council have simply accepted any of his proposals without question? The fact is that the council says "No", or" not until that's changed" quite a lot. So there's no dancing going on at all.
The 6 month thing has nothing to with the company. It's the CAA. If the Council said "this is not working as planned" the company can say "but/if/maybe" as often as it likes but it won't change matters or stop the CAA reverting.
A main point of these discussions is to make 5/3 contractual. It would really ice if that were tomorrow but, reality says, it will take a little longer. Why can you not accept that that is what Balpa is working to achieve?
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Firstly, I won't enter into personal attacks against anyone.
CC members don't get elected and stay there for life! People come and people go and there elections available every year. Some have left because of disagreements (not unusual in any company), others have left because of the drain on time that the job imposes. Nothing unusual in that at all.
Fact is, that the mainstay of last year's negotiating team is still there fighting to make things better. It was clearly stated at the time that last year was step forward (which it was) and that there was still a lot to do. That is being adressed now to get another step forward - hopefully a bigger one. THen work will commence on the following year.
Everything cannot be achieved at once - how nice it would be if that were possible.
Don't know anything about F16 reheat merchants. I haven't read the report but I would have thought it was already out so maybe I'll look it up.
Having flown very (very!) close to aircraft with reheat selected I would say if that doesn't wake someone then there is no way a selcal will.
So no-one on the CC is dancing to any tunes or selling anything - and ALL matters will be put to the registered members to vote on in a democratic fashion when details are there.
Surely there can be no difficulties with that, can there?
Re 121.5, A NOTAC was issued shortly after the event making this a requirement, which it wasn't before. That was not laid down in any documentation prior to these incidents.
The document found in the crewroom had NOTHING to do with any discussions with the CC and was NEVER put to the council for consideration in that form. It started a huge amount of debate within Balpa members who all got wind of it's contents - all for nothing because it wasn't being considered by the CC for one minute.
So yes it would have been madness - but it wasn't considered. So why do you have a problem with that? I could understand your concern IF the council had given this apparent suggestion any credence.
I can't see how you can say the council are dancing to RWs tune. If that were the case would not the council have simply accepted any of his proposals without question? The fact is that the council says "No", or" not until that's changed" quite a lot. So there's no dancing going on at all.
The 6 month thing has nothing to with the company. It's the CAA. If the Council said "this is not working as planned" the company can say "but/if/maybe" as often as it likes but it won't change matters or stop the CAA reverting.
A main point of these discussions is to make 5/3 contractual. It would really ice if that were tomorrow but, reality says, it will take a little longer. Why can you not accept that that is what Balpa is working to achieve?
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Firstly, I won't enter into personal attacks against anyone.
CC members don't get elected and stay there for life! People come and people go and there elections available every year. Some have left because of disagreements (not unusual in any company), others have left because of the drain on time that the job imposes. Nothing unusual in that at all.
Fact is, that the mainstay of last year's negotiating team is still there fighting to make things better. It was clearly stated at the time that last year was step forward (which it was) and that there was still a lot to do. That is being adressed now to get another step forward - hopefully a bigger one. THen work will commence on the following year.
Everything cannot be achieved at once - how nice it would be if that were possible.
Don't know anything about F16 reheat merchants. I haven't read the report but I would have thought it was already out so maybe I'll look it up.
Having flown very (very!) close to aircraft with reheat selected I would say if that doesn't wake someone then there is no way a selcal will.
So no-one on the CC is dancing to any tunes or selling anything - and ALL matters will be put to the registered members to vote on in a democratic fashion when details are there.
Surely there can be no difficulties with that, can there?
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I and many others outside of Easy Jet follow with interest this thread, especially as Easy have advertised for experienced FO's and Captains to join them in recent weeks.
For the FO's that come from the established Charter outfits the only thing that Easy appears to offer is a short time to command. That may sound great, but what do they do after a few years once the novilty has worn off?
Many of the FOs in my company face this dilema! It seems that pilots at Easy really have a bit of a bum deal and I would be suprised if Easy really did attract many of the pilots it advertised for in 'Flight' the other week.
Consider this; in most of the charter companies that operate the airbus (and in particular mine) we dont appear to ever work as hard as you. Not even in the summer! Rarely do we do more than 4-5 days on in the summer. Followed by at least 2 days off. Standbys very often turn into a day at home. On average we work about 14 flights a month in the summer and MUCH less in the winter. Annually flying hours in the region of 700.
We do have night flights which most people hate, but not more than 2 in a week and rarely more than 6 in a month during the summer.
Added to this the employment package includes:
-15% Employer pension contributions (as apposed to 7% Easy)
-Sick pay 26 weeks in 12 months (12 weeks/year Easy)
-PHI (of 75% salary if unable to work) (Easy none)
-Private medical Insurance (Easy None)
-Full cost of medical covered (Easy up to £182)
-Licence renewal cost (Easy none)
-Holiday concessions of up to £1000/year (Easy none)
-Dry cleaning vouchers for our free uniform (Easy £16.67/month - but must buy uniform)
-Buisinss travel insurance while on duty (Easy ?)
-£3000/year of company sharesafter (Easy 5% bonus after 3 years as captain)
Some things Easy have are better but in the main they are worse for work you do. Captains salary is more in Easy for a few years because of the sector pay, but because of the salary scales that most of the other airlines have this advantage only lasts about 4 years - about the time it takes for the novilty of a quick command to wear off!
For the FO's that come from the established Charter outfits the only thing that Easy appears to offer is a short time to command. That may sound great, but what do they do after a few years once the novilty has worn off?
Many of the FOs in my company face this dilema! It seems that pilots at Easy really have a bit of a bum deal and I would be suprised if Easy really did attract many of the pilots it advertised for in 'Flight' the other week.
Consider this; in most of the charter companies that operate the airbus (and in particular mine) we dont appear to ever work as hard as you. Not even in the summer! Rarely do we do more than 4-5 days on in the summer. Followed by at least 2 days off. Standbys very often turn into a day at home. On average we work about 14 flights a month in the summer and MUCH less in the winter. Annually flying hours in the region of 700.
We do have night flights which most people hate, but not more than 2 in a week and rarely more than 6 in a month during the summer.
Added to this the employment package includes:
-15% Employer pension contributions (as apposed to 7% Easy)
-Sick pay 26 weeks in 12 months (12 weeks/year Easy)
-PHI (of 75% salary if unable to work) (Easy none)
-Private medical Insurance (Easy None)
-Full cost of medical covered (Easy up to £182)
-Licence renewal cost (Easy none)
-Holiday concessions of up to £1000/year (Easy none)
-Dry cleaning vouchers for our free uniform (Easy £16.67/month - but must buy uniform)
-Buisinss travel insurance while on duty (Easy ?)
-£3000/year of company sharesafter (Easy 5% bonus after 3 years as captain)
Some things Easy have are better but in the main they are worse for work you do. Captains salary is more in Easy for a few years because of the sector pay, but because of the salary scales that most of the other airlines have this advantage only lasts about 4 years - about the time it takes for the novilty of a quick command to wear off!
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You have made good and fair comparisons and I wouldn't dispute anything you say.
A lot of things have to change and it won't be overnight.
Some of the issues you address (PHI and Pensions being the big ones) are high on the list of action points for the company council.
I would, as always, hope for improvement to make the package considerably more attractive than it currently is.
We are trying hard and I wish I could promise some movement in the near future.
It sounds like you're better off where you are at the moment but it would be really nice (for us at EZ!) if we could say something different in 6 months or so.
You have made good and fair comparisons and I wouldn't dispute anything you say.
A lot of things have to change and it won't be overnight.
Some of the issues you address (PHI and Pensions being the big ones) are high on the list of action points for the company council.
I would, as always, hope for improvement to make the package considerably more attractive than it currently is.
We are trying hard and I wish I could promise some movement in the near future.
It sounds like you're better off where you are at the moment but it would be really nice (for us at EZ!) if we could say something different in 6 months or so.
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For anybody considering joining EZY I would like to point out that at least 500 cabin crew have resigned this year.They work to the same 6.5 on 2.5 off as the pilot workforce and many pilots have resigned recently with a hell of a lot more to go when the market picks up.BALPA had a great opportunity to do something about this but failed miserably to do this for what MANY believe to be very selfish reasons and so the only option was to find another job.. not so easy in todays market.I would agree with Flapsone and give it six months to see if any of the management retoric will result in a job that is worth doing but I do believe that so many will leave that there will be some major problems this Spring.
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Which other airlines in profit give 'OK rostering'
DHL Air !!
They are looking at introducing a 8/6 roster, but at the moment my roster is even better then 8/6.
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Given that Balpa membership at the time was bouncing between 50% and 60%, what was the "great opportunity" you refer to?
Had the membership at the time been more like 80-90% that might have been a different story altogether.
Also, I'm not quite sure what the "selfish reasons" are.
Given that Balpa membership at the time was bouncing between 50% and 60%, what was the "great opportunity" you refer to?
Had the membership at the time been more like 80-90% that might have been a different story altogether.
Also, I'm not quite sure what the "selfish reasons" are.
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The company easily changed things by including Go pilots who had nothing to do with the negotiations which went on for the best part of a year.Most of the members were captains as we all new full well that FOs would be blocked from command by that vicious management.The deal was a pay rise and working rights for over 60 pilots (do other airlines pay over 60 pilots full salary even though they cannot do the full job?) and nothing else.
With the fastest delivery of airplanes in European history do you really think things will get better?One thing is for sure ..it cant get any worse.
The selfish bit is the chairman is over 60 and walked around various crew rooms with the then chief pilot (62) actually selling the deal to people whilst explaining that new Captains would get 90% pay for six months and also go to any base the company wanted.BRILLIANT!!!!!!
With the fastest delivery of airplanes in European history do you really think things will get better?One thing is for sure ..it cant get any worse.
The selfish bit is the chairman is over 60 and walked around various crew rooms with the then chief pilot (62) actually selling the deal to people whilst explaining that new Captains would get 90% pay for six months and also go to any base the company wanted.BRILLIANT!!!!!!
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The over 60 thing:
An 11 page document had 12 lines about over 60s rules!
5 of those line related to the rules relating to France and others.
Then the note that over 60s would be retained on 1 year contracts, renewable each year, providing the network could emply them usefully within the regulations.
Then a statement that EZ, together with Balpa and every Company Council in the country , would try and make joint representations to our European partners concerning the over 60 rules. That process, with the full support of the company,is currently taking place.
The affected many more people than the chairman of the council - how on earth can that be selfish?
FOs that have worked with the council (not many, I know) have received neither preferential nor 'promotion blocking' treatment.
If they had, the company would have been in court by now as the employment law of the land has very clear views on such matters - and Balpa would fight the case.
An 11 page document had 12 lines about over 60s rules!
5 of those line related to the rules relating to France and others.
Then the note that over 60s would be retained on 1 year contracts, renewable each year, providing the network could emply them usefully within the regulations.
Then a statement that EZ, together with Balpa and every Company Council in the country , would try and make joint representations to our European partners concerning the over 60 rules. That process, with the full support of the company,is currently taking place.
The affected many more people than the chairman of the council - how on earth can that be selfish?
FOs that have worked with the council (not many, I know) have received neither preferential nor 'promotion blocking' treatment.
If they had, the company would have been in court by now as the employment law of the land has very clear views on such matters - and Balpa would fight the case.
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Following the ding dong between self and others on one hand and Flaps and his mates on the other, perhaps now would be a good time for an update on how the talks with easy management are going - latest rumours are of disappointment.
Well what an earth shattering surprise that this!!!!!
As most of these things in easyjet also end up in a recruitment ad for BALPA and the usual whinge is that if more of us joined the world would all be okay, please can I just point out that when we had the referendum on BALPA recognition, I distinctly remember being told by those campaigning for BALPA, that they would look after us all even if we are not members and therefore we must all vote YES.
How odd that now they have recognition they will only look after us if we join.
Seems easy PC commitment is about as reliable as easy mangement commitment
Listen up guys - the duty time negotiation is a management con. We will have to work to any agreed new rules but there is no way that RW and the other rascals will give us contractual rights to 5 on and 3 off
Well what an earth shattering surprise that this!!!!!
As most of these things in easyjet also end up in a recruitment ad for BALPA and the usual whinge is that if more of us joined the world would all be okay, please can I just point out that when we had the referendum on BALPA recognition, I distinctly remember being told by those campaigning for BALPA, that they would look after us all even if we are not members and therefore we must all vote YES.
How odd that now they have recognition they will only look after us if we join.
Seems easy PC commitment is about as reliable as easy mangement commitment
Listen up guys - the duty time negotiation is a management con. We will have to work to any agreed new rules but there is no way that RW and the other rascals will give us contractual rights to 5 on and 3 off
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Latest rumours????? Shame on you!
If you want a say to influence the talks, then join. If you don't want a say, stay put!
Do you think we are out there deliberately negotiating a bad deal?
For Christ's sake - what planet are you on? We will be affected equally by whatever deal is done. Do you think for one minute I am about to go and sign my life away just to p!ss off the non-members?
You clearly know nothing at all about any FTL discussions. So, because you don't know anything, you resort to guesswork.
Fine, if that makes you happy, carry on.
We will continue to negotiate on behalf of ALL the pilots in the company as long as we retain the mandate to do so.
We will, however, not represent any non-member at any disciplinary hearing should there be one - and we have been asked to on a few occasions!
But remember, as it currently stands, if we don't negotiate for the pilots, no-one does!
Where so you think we will end up then? Think back 3 years!!!!!!
Latest rumours????? Shame on you!
If you want a say to influence the talks, then join. If you don't want a say, stay put!
Do you think we are out there deliberately negotiating a bad deal?
For Christ's sake - what planet are you on? We will be affected equally by whatever deal is done. Do you think for one minute I am about to go and sign my life away just to p!ss off the non-members?
You clearly know nothing at all about any FTL discussions. So, because you don't know anything, you resort to guesswork.
Fine, if that makes you happy, carry on.
We will continue to negotiate on behalf of ALL the pilots in the company as long as we retain the mandate to do so.
We will, however, not represent any non-member at any disciplinary hearing should there be one - and we have been asked to on a few occasions!
But remember, as it currently stands, if we don't negotiate for the pilots, no-one does!
Where so you think we will end up then? Think back 3 years!!!!!!
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Flaps1,
Previously,you said 6on 3off is a great step forward.
Bollocks utter bollocks .
If you and Klinky think that you should BOTH resign.
You ,Colonel Klink, and Rw should be sent 3rd class to KIWILAND never to return.
The above is why you have LOST so many members!
Previously,you said 6on 3off is a great step forward.
Bollocks utter bollocks .
If you and Klinky think that you should BOTH resign.
You ,Colonel Klink, and Rw should be sent 3rd class to KIWILAND never to return.
The above is why you have LOST so many members!