CEBU PACIFIC SKYPE INTERVIEW

[Fliegenderflieger]

A bit off topic but as a general info:
I have first hand infos and if you ask: My advice, dont consider to go to the Philippines!!!
Read the posts, the old ones as well, the negativ infos are generally true and correct.
It must have a reason, apart from getting some aircraft, that they permanet looking for pilots.
Everybody who can leaves as soon as possible.
-as well posted in another thread.

[Weatherguysfo]

CEBU Pacific

Can you tell me how you started the application process with CEBU? I am interested in going there, but do not know how to start. They have an application on their website, but that is all that I see. Do they advertise through any reputable companies.

[Weatherguysfo]

CEBU Pacific

Is anyone working with Haidee Garcia?

[pfvspnf]

It would be a good idea if someone would give the entire process from your initial skyoe interview to your first flight. There are many many steps involved, would be very useful for people to know.

[ElAl]

Hey Guys,

Looking for some more Info & Questions for the Tech Interview..

Thanks!

[Elle_med]

Some answers to the questions.

They DO NOT change their technical interview questions for years. They are either lazy or ... not so smart indeed )

Questions are:

1. How does fuel system on A320 work? When CTR TK pumps will run / turn off?

2. LIMITATIONS. Max brake temp, max tire speed, max window open speed, max wiper speed.

3. Memory items. (3 or 4 of them)

AND BEWARE! the whole process after u arrive in Phils will take 1-2 months, or even longer, without pay AND EVEN without contract! And they charge the CAPTAIN candidates the CAAP sim at moment, AS WELL as RENT of the CAAP Inspector AND Sim centre instructor.

So if u want to PAY instead of being paid - welcome to Philippines. "It's more fun.." and u will learn WHY

[Elle_med]

Also some more points

1.Contract IS NOT discussed or even presented to you until you get final Ground course clearance. This happens very late in the process

2. Money for A320 PIC is approx PHP 270.000 incl. all allowances, that is appx USD 6000.

3. Norm apartment in Manila is appx 17-20k PHP, but u need to pay 2x months deposit and 2x months upfront

4. Cebu pacific is incredibly lazy (especially JR and JM) and real unsupportive when it comes to dealing with expat pilots. You will have to spend long days in traffic jams in Manila and in govt offices arranging your NBIs, SSSs and other **** papers without any assistance from them guarantee of being hired at the end.

5. Everything is really badly organized, so I hope EU ban will not be lifted for Cebupac.

[pinoyboy]

rejected

i went to caap / cebu pacific november of last year. the inspector at the caap gave me a list of all the papers i needed to get my philippines temp atp etc...
i asked him "sir are you sure they are serious about hiring pilots and do i have a chance "? he looked at all my licenses : FAA ATP multi engine and single engine land and sea, faa flight instructor single, multi and instrument, flight dispatcher, ground instructor advanced and instrument, ive even passed the written flight eng turbojet and flight navigator ! also atp from canada, first class medicals, radio operator licenses etc i hold the permanent resident visa in the philippines, have the nbi, tin, sss , drivers license all that. oh i also have a PIC b737 a320 and SIC CE500
have 2800 total time and 104 hours multi... he said "very good" and i would say 99.9% chance of getting a job in the philippines. i said ok thank you sir because this requires alot of time and money getting all these papers etc.... well i went and did the atp written and a320 ,roc-a etc gave my resume (very nicely done with classy paper and folder etc) two times in person to cebu pacific (in nov 2013)
i also sent in via email 5 or 6 times to the girls you mentioned. no reply. then i saw a job post for the a330 and had a "darlenny" as the contact. so i sent her an email and was immediately offered a job as f/o on the a330. i was in the usa at the time so i returned to the philippines and spoke to her in person. she offered me an interview for the following week and to wait her email for details etc. this was wednesday and on monday i sent her an email as reminder. no reply, 9 days later (wed) i sent another email asking for interview date, no reply !!?? so friday i called her and she said i wasnt qualified for the job !! OMG i gave them my resume' 6 or 7 times and now she tells me that? why didnt she simply answer my emails 2 weeks ago! so lazy. so i complained that this was fraud and they offered me a chance on the atr. so again went thru the headache of a skype interview (two weeks to complete) waiting for them to call me at internet cafe for 2 hours and never contacting me etc. or she would say " i will call you in 15 minutes" and then i would wait two hours and give up... finally got thru and was mostly questions that are easily answered on my resume. also why couldnt they have simply called me on the fone ?! how much does a call cost from manila to my place? 20 pesos for 20 minutes? today i just got an email back that i dont qualify !? WTH ? to qualify for the atr they just want (according to their job posting on web) a commercial /ifr/multi , 500 hours total and 25 multi time ! i dont qualify! ay nako. there is a shortage of pilots in the usa because the living conditions and pay are so poor and i just retired (27 years as seaman) and wanted to work in the philippines , the country of my family and house etc. Now i will have to go back to the usa and be away from my lovely wife for a year at a time and maintain 2 houses etc OMG no, im gonna try viet nam or china first , i just cant afford to live in the usa with the small pay and high cost of living there.
you would think that cebu would want to hire all the pilots they can find for the atr and have them in line to work on their a320 a321 they have on order. also , think about how dumb they are... i sent an email to one of their recruiters anonymously and mentioned that china could not find pilots for the a330 as captain and they pay 20k a month and required 3000 total and only 500 hours in the a330 and cebu wanted for f/o 3000 total and 1000 in the plane and pays 4000 a month, how do they expect to find pilots?! i should have just stayed home and watched telenovelas with my asawa and avoided all this work and money i spent on plane tickets, hotels, tests, time, grief ,waste, all of it
i wish i was 25 again, i would study pharmacy ! 40,000 real jobs available right now and 100k a year salary (in usa)

sux dude

[Elle_med]

there was an absolutely right saying that Phils is #1 fraud in aviation.

Darl is part of the same fraud gang, as they manipulate the facts and misrepresent the information easily.

my friend was told everyone (!!!) had to pay his sim check, instructor and CAAP EXAMINER (!!!!!!!!!!!) Wages for the sim ride, so he said them to f**k off and he quit immediately.

So many good guys nowadays wish Cebu Pac a soon and unavoidable bankruptcy.

[pinoyboy]

cebupacskype

thank god i didnt go so far as spending the 2000 dollars for the sim check ride at wac. the caap actually advised me to wait until i had a solid job offer.

well i dont know about them being the #1 fraud in aviation....and i dont really care if they want to hire me or not, i can get a job easily abroad, but of course would prefer to stay in the philippines and not have to deal with the expense maintaining 2 homes which on usa regioanal airline wages would be impossible. im just upset at her for first offering me a job then she told me in my face she would set up interview and then never bothered to contact me again. i kept sending emails asking my status week after week and finally got her on the phone and she said i wasnt qualified !? i gave them my resume 6 or 7 times in person and via email. dude they are just simply dumb and lazy!

for example last week i went in to cd-r king an electronics store (mostly chinese / cheap products) i saw a solar power charger for computers (handy to have in the philippines with the constant blackouts) there were about 10 in a glass case,a sales lady was squatting down near the case and i pointed to them as well and i asked "how much for the solar power chargers" and the first thing out of her mouth was "sorry sir its out of stock" !!! OMG i lost it and started talking loudly to myself , well you can imagine what some of my comments were. and i could care less who was looking at me. they are people getting paid 7 dollars a day who could care less about selling anything, they are hungry and their main concern is getting enough rice to eat today and were given a poor education in school . welcome to the philippines !

[pinoyboy]

children

and whats with hiring of these kids at HR ?! if i ran an airline i would hire some old retired pilot that actually knows something about aviation and would look for pilots he would want to fly with and ask the right questions etc not some ding dong 25 y/o girl with the mental development of a 12 y/o.

[ONSHORTFINAL]

more fun in.....

I thought it was more fun in the fee-lippines

[squarecrow]

pinoyboy its cos they can cut cost and pay Peanut's. Seen it all before probably 1 person trying to do a job meant for 4 person's.This type of Airline is Not interested in your good point and never learn.

[pinoyboy]

i was asked to post this...

1) The "training bond" they will force you to sign is for 3 years and P1,000,000. They will not present or talk about the training bond until after the ground course. If you quit the job in 2 years and 11 months and 29 days, you owe the FULL AMOUNT!

i assume they are referring to the ATR course , since its rare for someone to get themselves.... also airlines in other countries pay loyalty bonuses i.e. silver airways in usa now paying 12000 for staying two years and cebu pac will punish you 25 grand for leaving before 3 years. usa=carrot philippines=stick

Also, the training bond gives CP the POWER OF ATTORNEY over you should you decide to quit. Just imagine what they can do with that!

2) The training is substandard, and each sim session is a checkride. The Instructors can't teach nor do they know anything about the airplane. Systems knowledge? Ha! Not here!

3) Pre employment. As an expat you will be told by the "People Dept" that they will "help" you get a work permit. The "help" is an address of a run down travel agency that will process the work permit (about 1 to 2 months) and YOU will pay them P80,000. CP pays nothing. You will also pay for all of your "requirements" which will add up to more pesos. You will pay for your "company medical" at a run down clinic.

Expect to spend up to 2 months doing requirements with zero help from CP. And for no pay at this point.

Once all requirements are done the expat will be told to report to "ground school". Don't expect any company material such as manuals to be issued, just hope someone else in class has some they can share. The "ground training" is the biggest waste of time, the instructors are only interested in how fast they can get done and leave. There will be nothing about systems, you will be given a written test and the answers, just fill out and turn in. This is the same with all test, no knowledge required!

Oh by the way, don't expect to be paid just yet. Your payroll paperwork "is out for signature" so your pay will be delayed for another month or two (if you are lucky).

Now you will sit around for weeks awaiting the dumbass that schedules training to get you to the simulator. Be prepared for multiple excuses and delays.

Once at the simulator expect little. Remember every sim session is a checkride.

Once finished at the sim expect a couple to 3 week delay for your "license". After that expect more delays to start IOE and "supervised line flying". This part is interesting. You will get to fly with Instructors that know squat about the airplane, will try to show their "knowledge" by giving you bad information and brag about their PAF experience.

This part of the "training" is 100+ hours, or two months plus. And no "productivity pay". If you were lucky enough to get your base pay at this point at least you will have a "little money" (and I mean little).

Once released for line flying don't expect any productivity pay for another month. All together you have now spent 6 months plus paying for everything on virtually no pay.

Oh, need a uniform? Bring your own! Some expats here have spent 2+ years awaiting uniforms.

[squarecrow]

an example out of a working paper on Bonding agreement's and worth reading if you like. but who forced them to sign the agreement? If not at Gunpoint a court wont wear that one. You don't have to sign. Or in Philippines is it different?


2. PENALTY CLAUSE
The "laissez faire" maxim applies as a general rule under English Law i.e., that people are free to agree between each other to do what they want. There are, however, statutory restrictions on this and various common law restrictions. Relevant common law restrictions are that that the courts will not enforce a term of an agreement that has the effect of imposing a penalty on a party and that certain agreements that are in restraint of trade are void if unreasonable and against the public interest.
Where parties to an agreement agree that, in the event of a breach, one shall pay to the other a specified sum of money, that sum may be classified by the courts as either a penalty (which is therefore viewed by the Courts as not recoverable) or as liquidated damages (which are recoverable)
In the context of a bonding arrangement, if the pilot (in breach of his agreement with the airline) leaves the employment of the airline prior to the expiry of the specified period, the agreement fixes a sum payable by the pilot to the airline which is intended to facilitate the recovery of damages by the airline from the pilot resulting from the pilot's breach of contract. The courts will view any such provision as a penalty and therefore as unenforceable if the sum fixed is extravagant or unconscionable when compared with the actual loss suffered by the airline as a result of the pilot's breach . If, however, the sum fixed is viewed by the courts as being a reasonable estimation (made at the time that the contract was entered into) of the airline's expected loss as a result of the pilot's breach of contract then the courts would view the agreement as providing for the payment of liquidated damages and reasonable.
The provisions of a bonding agreement might constitute a penalty clause in a number of ways:-
(a) The sum in respect of which the pilot is bonded might exceed the actual training costs of the pilot;
(b) The period during which the bond is to be effective might be excessive;
(c) There might be no provision for the sum in respect of which the pilot is bonded to reduce during the pilot's employment with the airline. If, therefore the bonding agreement was for, say, £10,000 for a period of three years but made no provision for the reduction of that sum over that period, the pilot on leaving the airline after 2 years 300 days service would under the terms of the bonding agreement be under an obligation to pay the airline £10,000. That could not, in our opinion, be viewed as a reasonable assessment of the actual loss suffered by the airline after such a period.
3. RESTRAINT OF TRADE
Bonding agreements may in our opinion, in some circumstance be in restraint of trade. The effect of some agreements is that the pilot is effectively prevented from seeking alternative employment because of the financial consequences of him so doing. The question, arises, however, as to whether the agreement in restraint of trade is unreasonable or not. X have in the past received Counsel's opinion that there is nothing per se unreasonable in law about an airline seeking to protect their interests by entering into agreements of this type with pilots. However, it seems to clear to us that there will be circumstances when the agreement might be viewed as void as being in restraint of trade
We have seen bonding agreements lasting for two years and would not expect a Court to view that as an unreasonable period.

[squarecrow]

Basically it looks like another Pathetic attempt to Handcuff New Pilot's by attempting Scare tactic's. Probably due to a very Hi attrition rate, Usually these agreement's are a good clue to the Company as a whole.
Again I hear it all the time, after 2 to 3 years later a threat letter comes through the Box from a Lawyer demanding payment or else. The rest is usually Hot Air.

[ThrustJam]

You got it right to the bones!! It happened to me too... Her name's JM or it sound like that...

[Black Crow]

not some ding dong 25 y/o girl with the mental development of a 12 y/o

This sums up a lot of the company.

[Skypimp]

200% agree with pinoyboy! I pretty much been thru the same. The HR ladies JM and Haidee Garcia are useless, they don't know what they are doing, no communication between flight ops and HR! Be prepared mentally and financially before you apply for this company, they will mess with you if they don't like you)

majority of the Cebu pacific employees (especially the HR, flight ops...), CAAP, immigration personnel would expect something from you (gift, cash...) when you ask for help, the more you rush them, the slower they will assist you. (welcome to Philippines! One of the most corrupted countries in the world.

Speaking of employee's benefit, no sick leave/vacation leave 1 year and half after your first productivity flight, (we are on 3 years contract)
Don't expect or don't even bother to ask for leave without paid if you really need some times off, cuz the management will tell you "we are short of pilots" when everyone is flying below 70hours a month.
No uniforms/ shoes will be provided after 1-2years of service as mentioned.

Culture in the company. Something you needa learn in day 1 from the time you walk in to the office is to call everyone Sir and Ma'am, if you don't do so, they would think you disrespect them - philipino culture! Try calling the seniors by first name and see their reaction!

They speak their own language during ground school or trainings, and they expect you to learn Tagalog right away...wtf right?

Inside the cockpit, same as many other Asia countries, captain is the boss, not much CRM cuz 4 bars is controlling everything especially the senior captains with military background, they really think they are the ****...If you are applying for FO, Cruise relief...better think twice!

One last advise, Expect to deal with many pain in the ass TRI during IOE, better ask around and avoid them...

There are so much more shady ****ty things in this company, it would take me days to share, so I better stop here....


If you are ready to deal with all these bull ****...Go for it!

[Napalmlover]

I totally agree with everything mentioned till now, plus some expats got denied to take regular Vl even after one year... excuses are same as mentioned " shortage of pilots" when people fly barely 50/60 hours a month. looks like nobody care about the status of the pilot and the company run borderline in violating basic principles of code of labour or common sense..
If you re expat with family don t ever think to transfer your family here they will get crazy after few months...
Again the company acts against the pilots everyday, disrespecting them and blame them for everything that could happen in a work day.
The pilots are getting tired of all the lies coming from management and flt ops, and i guess more resignation will come in the next year specially on the ATR fleet, the guys there are considered like stupid inexperienced monkeys, and subjected to the mood of their chief "King" S.A. which is not open to any suggestion coming from the pilots and totally disregarding any kind of their needs...