Royal Brunei Airlines In Chaos
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Perhaps the reason the crews are not back on the 767 is that something else is in the wind. The cynic in me thinks that returning crews to the 767 would confirm that the 777 is not coming. This being the case, training bonds would have to be cancelled and others, further up the food chain, having to explain the large sums of money spent on a type still not on the property. For an aeroplane that was supposed to show up during late 2006, it has all turned into a bit of a mess.
Perhaps the reason the crews are not back on the 767 is that something else is in the wind. The cynic in me thinks that returning crews to the 767 would confirm that the 777 is not coming. This being the case, training bonds would have to be cancelled and others, further up the food chain, having to explain the large sums of money spent on a type still not on the property. For an aeroplane that was supposed to show up during late 2006, it has all turned into a bit of a mess.
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SNs management and personal skills are disgraceful. Obviously his people and management courses were wasted money.
The mentioned bullying and his vindictive personality are certainly contrary to the safe and efficient mandate required of airline pilots. How many pilots place the companies best interest as a priority after being on the short end of this individuals vindictive and unprofessional harassment.
He would have been removed years ago under the old professional management. Just as CD was removed from the CP position.
No such measures from the current svp of flt ops or senior management to the determent of the company.
Would you expect any better from the current management though. They have proven their lack of moral and legal ethics by withholding pilots salary, allowances and gratuity when they resigned and rba management also get the local banks including international banks such as h$6c to illegally freeze the pilots bank accounts once they resign.
This is earnings they are already owed. Breach of contract, dishonouring of contract come to mind and is illegal in brunei and the UK under which the brunei law supposedly is loosely based on.
The reason, they know the bond is not legal as the airplanes are not coming. So they get the money back by any means, illegally if necessary.
Individuals or groups would have to take rba to court in bwn to force them to pay up pilots owed earnings. Only if pilots took them to court would this come to a head and those responsible sacked as a face saving measure once senior bwn government officials and the Head of State, the S of B was made aware that expat professionals contracts were not being honoured and were not being paid what was owed to them.
A complete shakeup is required but unfortunately there is no one with the leadership or ethics to do it in rba.
Serious consideration must be given to whether you do the honourable thing by giving 3 months notice knowing full well the implications.
Disgraceful.
The mentioned bullying and his vindictive personality are certainly contrary to the safe and efficient mandate required of airline pilots. How many pilots place the companies best interest as a priority after being on the short end of this individuals vindictive and unprofessional harassment.
He would have been removed years ago under the old professional management. Just as CD was removed from the CP position.
No such measures from the current svp of flt ops or senior management to the determent of the company.
Would you expect any better from the current management though. They have proven their lack of moral and legal ethics by withholding pilots salary, allowances and gratuity when they resigned and rba management also get the local banks including international banks such as h$6c to illegally freeze the pilots bank accounts once they resign.
This is earnings they are already owed. Breach of contract, dishonouring of contract come to mind and is illegal in brunei and the UK under which the brunei law supposedly is loosely based on.
The reason, they know the bond is not legal as the airplanes are not coming. So they get the money back by any means, illegally if necessary.
Individuals or groups would have to take rba to court in bwn to force them to pay up pilots owed earnings. Only if pilots took them to court would this come to a head and those responsible sacked as a face saving measure once senior bwn government officials and the Head of State, the S of B was made aware that expat professionals contracts were not being honoured and were not being paid what was owed to them.
A complete shakeup is required but unfortunately there is no one with the leadership or ethics to do it in rba.
Serious consideration must be given to whether you do the honourable thing by giving 3 months notice knowing full well the implications.
Disgraceful.
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Rba & Hsbc
Was it about March of 96 that the HSBC overpaid the workforce due to some sort of error.
Then without warning the HSBC deducted cash from all the accounts, trouble was that many had more deducted then was overpaid, more than a few were hard done by.
After a few stern letters to the HSBC about them plundering accounts at will, the bank wrote to each and every employee to say it would NEVER happen again.
Well there you go, its happened again.
Then about that time CD got chopped from the CP position and ended up as just a trainer, remaining so till Chris M left.
Pity its a can of worms, we always said it was a social club with an airline attached.
New pilots be warned, the previous post sums up the situation as it is today.
Then without warning the HSBC deducted cash from all the accounts, trouble was that many had more deducted then was overpaid, more than a few were hard done by.
After a few stern letters to the HSBC about them plundering accounts at will, the bank wrote to each and every employee to say it would NEVER happen again.
Well there you go, its happened again.
Then about that time CD got chopped from the CP position and ended up as just a trainer, remaining so till Chris M left.
Pity its a can of worms, we always said it was a social club with an airline attached.
New pilots be warned, the previous post sums up the situation as it is today.
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Its all a bit of a worry. Another mate has just dumped the chance of joining.
One bully does a lot of damage to a lot of victims.
RBA has not dealt with S N-wn early enough, or in ways that have been shown to work.
One bully does a lot of damage to a lot of victims.
RBA has not dealt with S N-wn early enough, or in ways that have been shown to work.
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Illegal Rostering & Illegal Deductions
RBA has always payed lip service to CAP 371 and acts as if its above the law when it comes to deducting money from an employees final pay check.
It was common for pilots to transfer their salary ASAP after pay day, and several time pilots leaving simple refused to hand in their passport for employment visa cancellation till they had the money owed in the bank - their overseas bank.
orangputisatu I can only applaud you writing in, its not that your words might bring change, but at least it warns those who might go what to expect.
It was common for pilots to transfer their salary ASAP after pay day, and several time pilots leaving simple refused to hand in their passport for employment visa cancellation till they had the money owed in the bank - their overseas bank.
orangputisatu I can only applaud you writing in, its not that your words might bring change, but at least it warns those who might go what to expect.
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I had promised myself I would never post on this thread in any way shape or form and I am not going to enter into any debate after this one.
A few of us were discussing this thread over beers in LHR recently and the common feeling was anger at some of the absolute bull**** in this thread.
You think they act illegally with respect to your entitlements when departing?
Read your contract...they are not!
They wouldn't need to have those clauses in our contracts if expats didn't run up huge phone bills etc and then leave without paying them.
Lip service to CAP 371?
Bull****!
The worst you might experience from time to time is a series of sectors that, while perfectly legal, are not pleasant or very enlightened rostering. That is just life.
Generally speaking we are operating with fat margins from the limits of CAP 371 and when we do approach those limits my experience is the company takes that seriously and acts accordingly. That doesn't mean things change within a time frame that meets everyone's expectations but the inherent inertia in an airline makes rapid change difficult and expensive if mishandled.
Comments written here with respect to a certain Manager are not accurate or reasonable.
He has to deal regularly with some of the complete dickheads that populate any large company and who rant on this thread. His, and the companies, patience with a few abjectly stupid individuals that have come and, mostly, now gone has been interesting to watch.
Many of us have seen him help pilots when a parent has died, as just one example, "Just get on the next flight home and we'll cover your roster..Go" or he has had a ticket waiting for that individual when they arrived back in Brunei so they could get on an aircraft home immediately to deal with some personal crisis. All he requires of us is to do our jobs professionally - that is not an unreasonable expectation. If you do try to meet that expectation but occasionally fall short in some way - as we all do from time to time - he is a wholly pleasant person to work with.
Is he always right? No. Are you?
Is RBA perfect? No - good luck finding nirvana.
If you think posting personal attacks on here is going to EVER have ANY positive effect with respect to your own perceived or real grievances you're a moron. Discussing them with the person concerned in a reasoned adult manner might. If you don't have the balls for it that is your problem not his and Pprune isn't the answer.
How would you feel if people were anonymously attacking you in a identifiable way on a public forum such as this? How can doing so make your life easier if you still work here or that of your former work mates if you have left? How can so many otherwise intelligent, allegedly educated adults have so little understanding of their circumstances?
For God's sake if for no other reason than enlightened self interest let this thread die.
A few of us were discussing this thread over beers in LHR recently and the common feeling was anger at some of the absolute bull**** in this thread.
You think they act illegally with respect to your entitlements when departing?
Read your contract...they are not!
They wouldn't need to have those clauses in our contracts if expats didn't run up huge phone bills etc and then leave without paying them.
Lip service to CAP 371?
Bull****!
The worst you might experience from time to time is a series of sectors that, while perfectly legal, are not pleasant or very enlightened rostering. That is just life.
Generally speaking we are operating with fat margins from the limits of CAP 371 and when we do approach those limits my experience is the company takes that seriously and acts accordingly. That doesn't mean things change within a time frame that meets everyone's expectations but the inherent inertia in an airline makes rapid change difficult and expensive if mishandled.
Comments written here with respect to a certain Manager are not accurate or reasonable.
He has to deal regularly with some of the complete dickheads that populate any large company and who rant on this thread. His, and the companies, patience with a few abjectly stupid individuals that have come and, mostly, now gone has been interesting to watch.
Many of us have seen him help pilots when a parent has died, as just one example, "Just get on the next flight home and we'll cover your roster..Go" or he has had a ticket waiting for that individual when they arrived back in Brunei so they could get on an aircraft home immediately to deal with some personal crisis. All he requires of us is to do our jobs professionally - that is not an unreasonable expectation. If you do try to meet that expectation but occasionally fall short in some way - as we all do from time to time - he is a wholly pleasant person to work with.
Is he always right? No. Are you?
Is RBA perfect? No - good luck finding nirvana.
If you think posting personal attacks on here is going to EVER have ANY positive effect with respect to your own perceived or real grievances you're a moron. Discussing them with the person concerned in a reasoned adult manner might. If you don't have the balls for it that is your problem not his and Pprune isn't the answer.
How would you feel if people were anonymously attacking you in a identifiable way on a public forum such as this? How can doing so make your life easier if you still work here or that of your former work mates if you have left? How can so many otherwise intelligent, allegedly educated adults have so little understanding of their circumstances?
For God's sake if for no other reason than enlightened self interest let this thread die.
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Personal attacks on easily identifiable individuals in a public forum are rarely justified. But the inept mismanagement, bullying and belief in his own sense of power and importance does make many of the personal comments posted on this thread understandable. Those of us that have repeatedly tried to engage him in meaningful dialogue have become exasperated at his hypocritical, holier than thou attitude and some people have reacted to his attitude by posting comments on pprune that, in hindsight, they may later regret.
RBA has always suffered from incompetent and corrupt management to a greater or lesser extent. This individual doesn't have a monopoly on it. He is just an extreme example of it.
I agree with your comments about a few ******** expats running up huge bills before leaving. An F/O who left for EK, now at KA, many years ago deliberately ran up a massive bill at the RBYC with no intention of ever paying. He wasn't the first and he sure isn't the last.
I am not interested in getting into a public debate and fanning the flames either. But all is not well in the abode and to blame it all on a few people who may be over reacting to what is a very real and serious situation is head in the sand syndrome imho.
RBA has always suffered from incompetent and corrupt management to a greater or lesser extent. This individual doesn't have a monopoly on it. He is just an extreme example of it.
I agree with your comments about a few ******** expats running up huge bills before leaving. An F/O who left for EK, now at KA, many years ago deliberately ran up a massive bill at the RBYC with no intention of ever paying. He wasn't the first and he sure isn't the last.
I am not interested in getting into a public debate and fanning the flames either. But all is not well in the abode and to blame it all on a few people who may be over reacting to what is a very real and serious situation is head in the sand syndrome imho.
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Hear hear
Excellent post Chuckles. Well reasoned and written. Unfortunately it will not be understood by most of the Neanderthals that frequent PPrune. I also rarely post on Pprune. Even when I have been going through difficult times. (Too busy trying to cover my Ass!) But it's important that intelligent, thoughtful professionals speak up occasionally to show what it is to be a professional expat. Of course it stinks how companies treat pilots. But many pilots have not helped the cause with their unprofessional and often spoilt and childish behavior. At the end of the day it's about getting the job done SAFELY & professionally. Not at ANY cost, as has been suggested by some management pilots in many airlines. As was once said in the Land of the Puk Puk. "If you don't like something - fix it. If you can't - @#$k Off" 
Something I have done before and no doubt will do again
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Brunei Olympic Team Still Missing
Local news has it that the team was last seen boarding a RBA 777.
The local DCA has confirmed that it is still on schedule and that the delay is not too unusual given the circumstances.
The PR department has said that it can't comment on fact, but will make a statement if any rumour is confirmed.
The 767 Fleet Office has threatened to Bond any pilot who makes a private remark.
MCC has confirmed that the operating crew of the 777 had not flown for over two years, and were trying to contact the Navigation Officer for advice.
The local DCA has confirmed that it is still on schedule and that the delay is not too unusual given the circumstances.
The PR department has said that it can't comment on fact, but will make a statement if any rumour is confirmed.
The 767 Fleet Office has threatened to Bond any pilot who makes a private remark.
MCC has confirmed that the operating crew of the 777 had not flown for over two years, and were trying to contact the Navigation Officer for advice.
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Well said Firegrass and Chuckles, there has been some utter rubbish posted on this thread. As someone who worked with RBA for many years I know the two SN's well and neither of them deserve the sort of s**t that has been dealt out to them by some of the so called professionals writing here. Put this thread to bed.
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"This is a public forum, potentially read by passengers and journalists, and not the appropriate place to discuss most of these issues. We all need to vent our fustrations at the considerable problems we face here, but let's keep them to ourselves ?"
I hope passengers and journalists do read these posts and I think that the DCA should read these posts, CASA as well.
For sure I know the German authorities were about to give RBA a serious look over (the BKK FRA direct) just before the route closed. Either a tip off or from reading Pprune, who knows.
Shame on any ex pat leaving a bill behind, and the huge bill that Colin H left behind at the RBYC was paid for by who - us. At least his photo was on the wall of shame for a few months. Need i mention that he held his leaving do there.
I hope passengers and journalists do read these posts and I think that the DCA should read these posts, CASA as well.
For sure I know the German authorities were about to give RBA a serious look over (the BKK FRA direct) just before the route closed. Either a tip off or from reading Pprune, who knows.
Shame on any ex pat leaving a bill behind, and the huge bill that Colin H left behind at the RBYC was paid for by who - us. At least his photo was on the wall of shame for a few months. Need i mention that he held his leaving do there.
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chuckles,
Thankyou for your underwelming support. Im sure it has been noted by sn. Certainly will not do your cause any harm to get a second attempt at command. Was that the intention of the post.
You appear to have signed a different contract than all the other rba pilots. We cannot find anywhere it states rba can choose not to pay you your last months (or 3 months) salary, allowances or gratuity owed. I doubt anyone would sign such a contract apart from yourself. sn may well have noted that too for when you resign.
Illegal rostering. open you eyes. regulations satate airlines have a responsibility to ensure its crews are not fatigued. This was not the case, particulary Frankfurt. Also remember as an FO you never positoned back to brunei.
Remember Auckland - Brisbane - brunei by two pilots with many flights going into discretion. Unrealistic (fiddled) cruise speeds, turnarounds to make the numbers appear legal on paper. Again it was the capt who was required to file the discretion report. Perhaps you were unaware you were into discretion on those flights.
Thankyou for your underwelming support. Im sure it has been noted by sn. Certainly will not do your cause any harm to get a second attempt at command. Was that the intention of the post.
You appear to have signed a different contract than all the other rba pilots. We cannot find anywhere it states rba can choose not to pay you your last months (or 3 months) salary, allowances or gratuity owed. I doubt anyone would sign such a contract apart from yourself. sn may well have noted that too for when you resign.
Illegal rostering. open you eyes. regulations satate airlines have a responsibility to ensure its crews are not fatigued. This was not the case, particulary Frankfurt. Also remember as an FO you never positoned back to brunei.
Remember Auckland - Brisbane - brunei by two pilots with many flights going into discretion. Unrealistic (fiddled) cruise speeds, turnarounds to make the numbers appear legal on paper. Again it was the capt who was required to file the discretion report. Perhaps you were unaware you were into discretion on those flights.
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firegrass Quote -Unfortunately it will not be understood by most of the Neanderthals that frequent PPrune.
How many posts does it take to become a pprune neanderthal.
Is it somewhere between your 5 post and chuckles 3600+.
How many posts does it take to become a pprune neanderthal.
Is it somewhere between your 5 post and chuckles 3600+.
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Hari Raya Open House
There is a felicitous Rumour that as the new CEO has been unable to find time to meet Flight Operations and Engineering staff, he will hold a shindig of an Open House during Hari Raya.